EXPLAIN EGW Letter 50, 1895
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Robert Two

Prospect, Australia

#1 Nov 8, 2012
Now here we have the opportunity to put BIBLE texts to the test on the issuie of DIVORCE & REMARRIAGE.
I wonder who will get into this PROPERLY ?
Melchizedek

London, UK

#2 Nov 8, 2012
Perhaps post the full letter or parts you think are relevant, and then we can comment.
Robert Two

Naracoorte, Australia

#3 Nov 8, 2012
Melchizedek wrote:
Perhaps post the full letter or parts you think are relevant, and then we can comment.
Basically the letter says a women left her husband DIVORCE him and married another man. EGW saw nothi9ng in scripture that said he could not REMARRY as his wife left him.

That to me is not till DEATH DO US PART which the BIBLE is clear on.
Then the BIBLE gives strict reasons for DIVORCE.
I cannot see that the reaswons were followed.
But COME LET US REASON TOGETHER ?
Robert Two

Darwin, Australia

#4 Nov 9, 2012
Surely we have some interest in TRUTH at this point ??????????
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#5 Nov 9, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
Surely we have some interest in TRUTH at this point ??????????
I'm waiting for more before I Put Scripture In, not EGW!
Robert Two

Darwin, Australia

#6 Nov 9, 2012
birdman wrote:
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I'm waiting for more before I Put Scripture In, not EGW!
Thankyou as it is scripture I want.
What more do you want to know before responding.
As the BIBLE ground for divorce.
The BIBLE grounds for one flesh seem permanent.
The BIBLE grounds for REMARRIAGE are on the death of a partner.
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#7 Nov 9, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text> Thankyou as it is scripture I want.
What more do you want to know before responding.
As the BIBLE ground for divorce.
The BIBLE grounds for one flesh seem permanent.
The BIBLE grounds for REMARRIAGE are on the death of a partner.
In conclusion, I'd like to say that this thread proves that EGW was a fraud.
Robert Two

Australia

#8 Nov 9, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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In conclusion, I'd like to say that this thread proves that EGW was a fraud.
Please give your BIBLE proof.
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#9 Nov 9, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
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Please give your BIBLE proof.
She allowed adulterous remarriage when the Bible is against it.

Mat. 24:24, "false christs and false prophets will rise".
Robert Two

Australia

#10 Nov 9, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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She allowed adulterous remarriage when the Bible is against it.
Mat. 24:24, "false christs and false prophets will rise".
Give only BIBLE texts.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#11 Nov 9, 2012
Adultery in Scripture

14 verses that sex is implied
9 verses that sex is stated
5 verses that Adultery is idolatry
5 verses that state breaking of vows

You have Scripture that Fornication meaning Harlotry, Idolatry, Unlawful lusts, Lewdness

Some texts Jer 3:1-- Is. 57:3-- Ezk. 16:29 Matt 5:32--19:9--Mark 10:11-12--luke 16:18--Jer 3;8-9--Rom 2:22--Rev 2:22--Lev 20:10--Prov 6:32-- Ezk 16:32--Deut 5:18--Hos 4:2 --Gal 5:19 and many more.

If one truly searches, one will see that Adultry is not just a sexual act, but also simply breaking the wedding vows or baptismal vow to God will put a person in the same position as one worshipping a false god.
His4everFriend

Charlotte, NC

#12 Nov 9, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text> Basically the letter says a women left her husband DIVORCE him and married another man. EGW saw nothi9ng in scripture that said he could not REMARRY as his wife left him.
That to me is not till DEATH DO US PART which the BIBLE is clear on.
Then the BIBLE gives strict reasons for DIVORCE.
I cannot see that the reaswons were followed.
But COME LET US REASON TOGETHER ?
Dear Robert Two. As far as EG White and her writtings. Here is a small sample of what God inspired her to write pertaining to marriage and divorce. She definately held the Bible standards and wrote in a clear and compelling manner.

Marriage Is a Contract for Life.--In the youthful mind marriage is clothed with romance, and it is difficult to divest it of this feature, with which imagination covers it, and to impress the mind with a sense of the weighty responsibilities involved in the marriage vow. This vow links the destinies of the two individuals with bonds which naught but the hand of death should sever.{AH 340.1}
Every marriage engagement should be carefully considered, for marriage is a step taken for life. Both the man and the woman should carefully consider whether they can cleave to each other through the vicissitudes of life as long as they both shall live.{AH 340.2}

ANd here is a quote stating exactly the opposite of what you are inferring... There are many more such as this...

Still Married in God's Sight, Although Divorced.-- A woman may be legally divorced from her husband by the laws of the land and yet not divorced in the sight of God and according to the higher law. There is only one sin, which is adultery, which can place the husband or wife in a position where they can be free from the marriage vow in the sight of God. Although the laws of the land may grant a divorce, yet they are husband and wife still in the Bible light, according to the laws of God.{AH 344.2}
I saw that Sister _____, as yet, has no right to marry another man; but if she, or any other woman, should obtain a divorce legally on the ground that her husband was guilty of adultery, then she is free to be married to whom she chooses.{AH 344.3}

His4everFriend

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#13 Nov 9, 2012
Melchizedek wrote:
Perhaps post the full letter or parts you think are relevant, and then we can comment.


I think this is the letter……

Dear Sister,
[Written August 26, 1895, to the mother of Walter C’s second wife.] In regard to the marriage of your daughter with Walter C, I see where you are troubled. But the marriage took place with your consent, and your daughter, knowing all about him, accepted him as her husband; and now I can see no reason why you should carry any burden over this matter. Your daughter loves Walter C, and it may be that this marriage is in the order of God in order that both Walter and your daughter may have a richer Christian experience and be built up where they are deficient. Your daughter has pledged herself to Walter C in marriage, and to break her marriage vows would be far from right. She cannot now disannul her obligations to him.
You say that Walter was engaged to some young lady in Topeka. I cannot speak concerning this, for I have not heard Walter’s reasons for breaking his engagement, if he did so. But I had a personal knowledge of his former relations with his first wife, Laura. Walter loved Laura far too well, for she was not worthy of his regard. He did all in his power to help her, and sought in every possible way to retain her as his wife. He could not have done more than he did do. I pleaded with her, and tried to show her the inconsistency of her course, and begged her not to obtain a divorce; but she was determined and willful and stubborn, and would have her own way. While she lived with him she sought to secure all the money possible from him, but she would not treat him kindly as a wife should treat her husband.
A Right to Happiness—Walter did not put his wife away. She left him, and put him away, and married another man. I see nothing in the Scripture that forbids him to marry again in the Lord. He has a right to the affection of a woman who, knowing his physical defect, shall choose to give him her love. The time has come when a sterile condition is not the worst condition to be in. I see wives who have borne large families of children, and they are unable to give them proper care. These women do not have time to recover from the weakness of bearing one child before they are with child again.
Many of these women are the wives of poor men who have not sufficient means to support their increasing families, and I am at the present time helping them to feed and clothe and educate their children. But notwithstanding their inability to support their offspring, children are brought into the world as fast as possible. But God is not in this kind of doing.
The husbands of these women seem to think that their wives are for no other purpose than to gratify their lustful passions. Children are brought into the world so rapidly, responsibilities accumulate so speedily, that the wives and mothers have no chance for the cultivation of their minds, no time or opportunity to devote to religious work. God is not glorified in such families.
Many of our young women missionaries marry, and in a few months’ time they have children to care for and are taken out of the missionary field. You may rejoice that your daughter will not be thus hindered in her work for the Master. She can accompany her husband in his travels and be a help to him, and when she is left at home she can work for the Lord as though she were unmarried. This is my view of the matter.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#14 Nov 9, 2012
I have confidence in Walter and believe that he is a Christian. I had occasion to know something of the temper of his spirit when he was going through his trial with his first wife. She tried to extract money from him when she saw she had the advantage of him, and he was willing to do tenfold more for her than it was her right to expect, or his duty to do. He had sore and hard trials on her account. I have tried to help him all that I could.
I have tried to enable Laura to see and understand her duty. But as she has taken the course that she has, I cannot see that this new union should be disturbed. It is a serious matter to part a man and his wife. There is no Scriptural ground upon which to take such a step in this case. He did not leave her, she left him. He did not marry again until she had obtained a divorce. When Laura divorced herself from Walter he suffered most keenly, and it was not until Laura had married another man that Walter married again. The one he has chosen, I feel certain, will be a help to him, and he can be a help to her.
Walter is not perfect in character. He has some objectionable characteristics. He has been entrusted with means, and he does not always put it to the very best account. Sometimes he is very lavish of his money, and sometimes very narrow in its use, and severely economical. But a good God-fearing woman at his side will be able to advise him not to move impulsively, and counsel him to place his money in the treasury of the Lord.
Walter is in a responsible position, but if the members of the family to which he has allied himself in marriage will prove true to him, they will influence him to become a wise steward of his Lord’s goods. Then he will bestow his means as if in the view of the whole universe of heaven. He will not participate in any unlawful scheme for making money but will move with an eye single to the glory of God. He will eschew all petty tricks and avoid all mean, dishonest devices, and will do nothing that will [in] any way work against the cultivation of true piety. He will realize that all his business transactions lie within the domain of God.
We must not lose sight of the fact that the steward is to trade with his Lord’s goods, and that he is handling a sacred responsibility. The Bible requires that men buy and sell and transact all their business with as keen a sense of their religious obligation as they have when offering up petitions to their heavenly Father, asking for strength and grace. The Lord has not left anyone to do as he pleases with his goods, and to give as impulse shall dictate, or as friends may demand. The money he handles is not his, and is not to be expended unnecessarily, for the vineyard of the Lord is to be worked, and its working requires the expenditure of means. Now is our day of trust, and the day of reckoning is yet to come. The Lord has entrusted means to His stewards to be used wisely, for all are moral agents and are required to bear responsibilities. Our varied trusts are given in proportion to our ability to use, but we are not to use God’s means merely for the gratification of selfish desires, and as inclination may dictate.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#15 Nov 9, 2012
Walter C has failed at times in the past in handling his Lord’s goods, and has not always considered whether he was using the money entrusted to him in a way that would please his Master and advance the cause of truth. He must give an account of how he disposes of the means given in trust to him. He cannot study his own will in this matter. He must seek wisdom from God. I do not desire Walter to bestow one dollar in this destitute field unwillingly, for unwilling offerings are not accompanied with the blessing of God. I have no urging to do and do not wish to force money from anyone even for the work of God.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#16 Nov 9, 2012
God has a work to do, and I am using all the means that I can spare, and provide myself with home, livelihood, and common conveniences. There are others who gladly and willingly help me in this part of the Lord’s vineyard. If all do their duty according to the measure of their responsibilities, the amount entrusted to them will be doubled. He who gives back to God His own will be honored for his fidelity and will hear the Master say,“Well done, thou good and faithful servant.” But it is not proper for persons to give just as the notion may strike them. Christ has a right to all that we have.
You must not be surprised that Walter does not feel free to help your son. If your son has not appreciated the opportunities and privileges he has had, if he has misapplied his own powers, and wasted his God-given talents, the question is, will he do better upon a second trial? Has he learned the lesson that God wills he should learn? There are many precious souls who would be so glad of a chance to obtain an education, who will not sow wild oats, but will use every capability in obtaining knowledge with which to do good.
I am surprised that Walter did not at once accede to your request, as you were the mother of his wife whom he loves. It may be that he is learning caution, and is taking the lesson of the past to heart. He has helped many whom it was not his duty to help. You should take his refusal to give you money as an evidence of his sincerity in that he will not compromise himself to win your favor. I am sure that Walter means to do his duty. The mistakes he made in bestowing his money on his first wife’s family have probably taught him not to repeat the experiment. I hope that his refusal to give you means to enable your son to go to Battle Creek or to Union College will not cause you to become prejudiced against him. It should have no such influence.
If your daughter loves Walter C, I see nothing in the Word of God that would require her to separate from him. As you have asked my advice, I will freely give it to you. If Walter had given you the money you asked for, would it not have been something like trying to buy your favor? Would it not be much more fitting for your son to go to work and secure money for himself, and educate himself, rather than to be dependent upon anybody for such a favor? There is such a thing as giving unwise help to our children.Those who work their way through college appreciate their advantages more than those who are provided with them at someone else’s expense, for they know their cost. We must not carry our children until they become helpless burdens. Educate your son to be diligent, able to sustain himself, and to help others. God is the proprietor of the universe. Every man, woman, and child, with all the time and talents that have been bestowed upon them, belongs to God. He has given ability to men that they may use it to His glory and thus have increased ability, wisdom, and understanding. God has a claim upon every soul, and we are responsible agents, and should give Him constant service. Body, soul, and spirit, we should consecrate ourselves to His service, and do those things that will forward His cause in the earth. We are to do His will upon the earth. Our pleasure is not to be consulted, nor permitted to be the governing impulse.
Now, my dear sister, I will send you this letter, and also forward a copy of it to Walter C. I desire to act the part of a mother to him. In times of affliction he has needed a mother. Every penny he has placed in my hands has been used for the saving of perishing souls, and in time to come may it be his experience to hear from the lips of the Master,“Well done, thou good and faithful servant, enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#17 Nov 9, 2012
I am truly sorry that you have taken upon yourself unnecessary burdens. Do you not see that in separating Walter and your daughter, you would create two evils instead of curing one? Your daughter has married Walter, and there is no reason why she should be separated from him. You have no just excuse for desiring them to cease living and working together as man and wife. You may give publicity to the evil reports that may come to you, and be the means of making yourself, your daughter, and her husband miserable. Let these two, as children of God, unite their interests as their marriage vows require them to do, let them consecrate themselves to God to do His will, to be vessels unto honor, meet for the Master’s use.
On your part, act as a faithful mother should. Be wise to counsel and help them in every way that lies in your power. Knowing that you all belong to God, deal justly and lovingly with each other. Be frank, be kind, cultivate whole-souled integrity, and you will win a crown of life that fadeth not away. Have perfect trust in God, and He will bless you, and give you peace and rest.—Letter 50, 1895.
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#18 Nov 9, 2012
His4everFriend wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Robert Two. As far as EG White and her writtings. Here is a small sample of what God inspired her to write pertaining to marriage and divorce. She definately held the Bible standards and wrote in a clear and compelling manner.
Marriage Is a Contract for Life.--In the youthful mind marriage is clothed with romance, and it is difficult to divest it of this feature, with which imagination covers it, and to impress the mind with a sense of the weighty responsibilities involved in the marriage vow. This vow links the destinies of the two individuals with bonds which naught but the hand of death should sever.{AH 340.1}
Every marriage engagement should be carefully considered, for marriage is a step taken for life. Both the man and the woman should carefully consider whether they can cleave to each other through the vicissitudes of life as long as they both shall live.{AH 340.2}
ANd here is a quote stating exactly the opposite of what you are inferring... There are many more such as this...
Still Married in God's Sight, Although Divorced.-- A woman may be legally divorced from her husband by the laws of the land and yet not divorced in the sight of God and according to the higher law. There is only one sin, which is adultery, which can place the husband or wife in a position where they can be free from the marriage vow in the sight of God. Although the laws of the land may grant a divorce, yet they are husband and wife still in the Bible light, according to the laws of God.{AH 344.2}
I saw that Sister _____, as yet, has no right to marry another man; but if she, or any other woman, should obtain a divorce legally on the ground that her husband was guilty of adultery, then she is free to be married to whom she chooses.{AH 344.3}
His4everFriend
Thankyou for your reply I am an EGW SUPPORTER though it may at times appear not so.
Then she is free to be married to whom she chooses.
Give me a BIBLE TEXT that states clearly THE INNOCENT PARTY IS FREE TO REMARRY. PAUL says live as single.
Please reply.
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#19 Nov 9, 2012
anti-ALF chick wrote:
I am truly sorry that you have taken upon yourself unnecessary burdens. Do you not see that in separating Walter and your daughter, you would create two evils instead of curing one? Your daughter has married Walter, and there is no reason why she should be separated from him. You have no just excuse for desiring them to cease living and working together as man and wife. You may give publicity to the evil reports that may come to you, and be the means of making yourself, your daughter, and her husband miserable. Let these two, as children of God, unite their interests as their marriage vows require them to do, let them consecrate themselves to God to do His will, to be vessels unto honor, meet for the Master’s use.
On your part, act as a faithful mother should. Be wise to counsel and help them in every way that lies in your power. Knowing that you all belong to God, deal justly and lovingly with each other. Be frank, be kind, cultivate whole-souled integrity, and you will win a crown of life that fadeth not away. Have perfect trust in God, and He will bless you, and give you peace and rest.—Letter 50, 1895.
No that is not the letter as the man is reffered to as J in your letter he is WALTER. His first wife is K.
The letter you reffer to is not LETTER 50, 1895
Not all of EGWs writing are heaven sent only those she put to print.
EGW was not INFALLIABLE but GOD is.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#20 Nov 9, 2012
Melchizedek wrote:
Perhaps post the full letter or parts you think are relevant, and then we can comment.
If we had an exact quote from it we could find it in the EGW Estate.

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