Jesuit Lies about Ellen G. White Expo...

Jesuit Lies about Ellen G. White Exposed !

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Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#1 Jan 15, 2010
David Gates tells a revealing story;



Ellen White is the ONLY true prophet of these last days. And you who try to deny it, will one day find yourselves lost, for eternity...
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#2 Jan 15, 2010
Papacy Admit SDA is Truth (Part 1 of 4)

&fe ature=related
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#3 Jan 15, 2010
Bob the believer wrote:
David Gates tells a revealing story;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QB_g-RP-rugXX
Ellen White is the ONLY true prophet of these last days. And you who try to deny it, will one day find yourselves lost, for eternity...
It is obvious they havn't read all there is to know about ellen.

when you open the link above , look to the right for other youtube video's about this false prophet
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#4 Jan 15, 2010
Bob the believer wrote:
David Gates tells a revealing story;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QB_g-RP-rugXX
Ellen White is the ONLY true prophet of these last days. And you who try to deny it, will one day find yourselves lost, for eternity...
Look at this deranged fella pushing ellen instead of CHRIST
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#5 Jan 15, 2010
Ellen G. White – God’s end time messenger;

See God’s Guiding Gift;

http://video.google.com/videoplay... #

She didn’t take me away from the Bible; She led me to the Bible…
Every single biblical criterion is fulfilled by Ellen White, and I know of no other of the prophets of modern times that qualifies; Not ONE !

- Walter Veith
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#6 Jan 15, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at this deranged fella pushing ellen instead of CHRIST


What this deranged fella doesn't know.... Ooops... Sorry. I mean; What this brother doesn't know is that Ellen leads us to Christ...
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#7 Jan 15, 2010
Bob the believer wrote:
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What this deranged fella doesn't know.... Ooops... Sorry. I mean; What this brother doesn't know is that Ellen leads us to Christ...
ya, right Bob, Christians are to remember the Blood of Christ in the NT, not the Hebrew Sabbath......1 Cor 11-25

She taught you that non sabbath keepers would not enter the kingdom of heaven, which is not taught in the NT

She has taught you to focus on the Old Minisrty of Death instead of the Ministry Of the Spirit

She has taught you to abstain from certain foods..........

which is not taught in the NT

She has taught you false eschatology, Sunday Laws etc

and she taught you that angels need a gold card to get in and out of heaven

and she taught you masturbastion will cause deform children and
insanity and tuberculosis

Bob, these teaching of hers are not of the Christ in the NT

Sorry..........
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#8 Jan 15, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
...when you open the link above , look to the right for other youtube video's about this false prophet
…, like for example this one;
Ellen G White vs False Accusers, Mockers and World Wide Web Part 1 of 7
&fe ature=related

…, or why not this one;
The Biblical Proof Of Ellen White Part 1 of 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#9 Jan 15, 2010
It is the duty of us Christians to investigate whether a prophet is of God or not.

We must not trust the words of mockers like Paul of California. And we must not trust the words of truth Sayers, like myself, but, we must trust in the Word of God, which says;

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thess. 5:21

So, that means we have to investigate for ourselves, whether Ellen White is a prophet of God, or not. And when we do that, we must ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, lest we end up with the guidance of another spirit, like the one that guides our brother Paul here…(He needs our prayers).

So it is not; “Thus sayeth brother Paul”… Nor is it; “Thus sayeth brother truth Sayer”… It’s not even; “Thus sayeth the pastor”… But it is:

“Thus sayeth The Lord”….
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#10 Jan 15, 2010
Bob, as is the norm, you defamate the messenger instead of disproving the messenger by scripture

As Christ defeated Satan,He used scripture

remember Bob........."it is written"

Now where are ellen's "it is written to defeat me"

Christians are to remember the Blood of Christ in the NT, not the Hebrew Sabbath......1 Cor 11-25

She taught you that non sabbath keepers would not enter the kingdom of heaven, which is not taught in the NT

She has taught you to focus on the Old Minisrty of Death instead of the Ministry Of the Spirit
1 Cor 3-6,7

She has taught you to abstain from certain foods..........1 Tim 4-2

which is not taught in the NT

She has taught you false eschatology, Sunday Laws etc

and she taught you that angels need a gold card to get in and out of heaven
( where is this written Bob)

and she taught you masturbastion will cause deform children and
insanity and tuberculosis

Bob, these teaching of hers are not of the Christ in the NT
However, its a warning from God, that those who preach OTHER THEN WHAT IS WRITTEN, ANOTHER CHRIST
will be cursed Gal 1

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#11 Jan 15, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
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Look at this deranged fella pushing ellen instead of CHRIST
He's "deranged"? And yet you can't even master cut-and-paste?!?

BTW, Ellen White pointed people to Christ--that's why you discourage people from listening to her.
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#12 Jan 16, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
Bob, as is the norm, you defamate the messenger instead of disproving the messenger by scripture

As Christ defeated Satan,He used scripture

remember Bob........."it is written"

Now where are ellen's "it is written to defeat me"

Christians are to remember the Blood of Christ in the NT, not the Hebrew Sabbath......1 Cor 11-25
“Concerning the law of Ten Commandments the psalmist declares, "Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89. And Christ Himself says, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law.... Verily I say unto you"--making the assertion as emphatic as possible--"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17, 18. Here He teaches, not merely what the claims of God's law had been, and were then, but that these claims should hold as long as the heavens and the earth remain. The law of God is as immutable as His throne. It will maintain its claims upon mankind in all ages. Concerning the law proclaimed from Sinai, Nehemiah says, "Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments." Nehemiah 9:13. And Paul, "the apostle to the Gentiles," declares, "The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12. This can be no other than the Decalogue; for it is the law that says, "Thou shalt not covet." Verse 7. While the Saviour's death brought to an end the law of types and shadows, it did not in the least detract from the obligation of the moral law. On the contrary, the very fact that it was necessary for Christ to die in order to atone for the transgression of that law, proves it to be immutable.(PP 365)

As we can see here, this false teachers goal is that of everyone else’s; namely to find a way not to keep God’s law. Claiming to have been a Seventh Day Adventist, he suggests knowing the scriptures of Ellen White, but his shortcomings reveals him to be nothing but a disinfo-agent for the enemy, as we shall see;
Paul from California wrote:
She taught you that non sabbath keepers would not enter the kingdom of heaven, which is not taught in the NT
Here he suggests that those who does not keep the Sabbath will not enter into the kingdom of God, which in one case is true, but in another case is false. Of course, since he has no deep understanding of the Scriptures of our beloved prophet, and obviously not of God’s Word either, he misses the point to clarify his case.

Those who, after having received the call from God, refuse to obey His command to keep holy the Sabbath day, when the three angels messages are given to the earth’s inhabitants, will NOT enter into the kingdom (“If you love me, keep my commandments). BUT,

those, who has followed their conscience, and have done their best to follow righteous principles, and who has never heard any words about keeping a certain day holy, or who has never even heard the gospel, before they were laid to rest, WILL NOT BE JUDGED GUILTY, BUT ARE CONCIDERED WORTHY BY A RIGHTEOUS GOD, which the following indicate;
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#13 Jan 16, 2010
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Matt. 25:34. Every action of ours in befriending God's people WILL BE REWARDED AS DONE UNTO HIMSELF. In the day of final reckoning, Christ does not present before men the great work He has done for them in giving His life for their redemption. He presents before them the faithful work they have done for Him. What surpassing love is this! He even mentions the work of the heathen, who have no intelligent knowledge of the law of the Lord, BUT WHO HAVE DONE THE VERY THINGS THE LAW REQUIRED, because they have heeded the voice speaking to them in the things of nature…(SD 364)

It is true that there are real Christians in the Roman Catholic communion. Thousands in that church are serving God according to the best light they have. They are not allowed access to His word, and therefore they do not discern the truth. They have never seen the contrast between a living heart service and a round of mere forms and ceremonies. GOD LOOKS WITH PITYING TENDERNESS UPON THESE SOULS, educated as they are in a faith that is delusive and unsatisfying. He will cause rays of light to penetrate the dense darkness that surrounds them. He will reveal to them the truth as it is in Jesus, and many will yet take their position with His people.(GC 565)

But Christians of past generations observed the Sunday, supposing that in so doing they were keeping the Bible Sabbath; and there are now true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion, who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. GOD ACCEPTS THEIR SINCERITY OF PURPOSE AND THEIR INTEGRITY BEFORE HIM. But when Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, WILL THEREBY HONOR POPERY ABOVE GOD. He is paying homage to Rome and to the power which enforces the institution ordained by Rome. He is worshipping the beast and his image. As men then reject the institution which God has declared to be the sign of His authority, and honor in its stead that which Rome has chosen as the token of her supremacy, they will thereby accept the sign of allegiance to Rome--"the mark of the beast." And it is not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, that those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast." (GC 449)

So here we can see that the claim;

“She taught you that non sabbath keepers would not enter the kingdom of heaven, which is not taught in the NT”

of this false teacher, is nothing but taken out of thin air. No substance in it whatsoever.
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#14 Jan 16, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
She has taught you to focus on the Old Minisrty of Death instead of the Ministry Of the Spirit
1 Cor 3-6,7
By this, I assume that this traitor of God’s cause means that Christ abolished His Law when dying on the cross. Again he shows signs of ignorance. It is well known in Adventist circles that Christ abolished the Ceremonial laws of the old covenant, but the Moral Law – The Ten Commandments – still stand and so will all eternity through. For this man to claim that he has been a Seventh Day Adventist, one don’t know quite what to think. But what we can suspect is not to difficult to imagine. This is none other than an (not so well educated) infiltrator and an agent for the enemy.
Paul from California wrote:
She has taught you to abstain from certain foods..........1 Tim 4-2 which is not taught in the NT
Perhaps this is an indication that meat consumption has blurred his mind. It is common human knowledge that eating dangerous and poisonous foods is not good for the system, as it is also common Adventist knowledge that meat consumption in the last days are not a sure way of aliment, and that those who are awaiting the day of the Lord, will eventually give it up.
What is also common Adventist knowledge is that meat consumption (of clean beasts) was considered safe up unto a certain age, but that nowadays pollution and industrial abuse makes it safe no longer. Not to talk about the sufferings of the poor beasts, who’s only purpose for living is to satisfy the belly of perverted minds.
He claims to have been an Adventist, yet he mentions none of this…
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#15 Jan 16, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
She has taught you false eschatology, Sunday Laws etc
Again, trying to escape the requirements of our Lord (Christ abolished the Law on the cross is their war-cry)…
Paul from California wrote:
and she taught you that angels need a gold card to get in and out of heaven
( where is this written Bob)
Here he seems to say that everything that is to know in the whole universe is to be found in the Word of God, but we all know that there are lots of secrets not yet revealed to the human family. For example the mystery of God’s creation; a technical description of how the atom is constituted is not found in the scriptures as is so many other countless subjects. Yet he suggests that we show to him from scripture something that we all know has only been revealed to our beloved prophet through vision. Not a very logical claim.
Paul from California wrote:
and she taught you masturbastion will cause deform children and
insanity and tuberculosis
Ellen White did not say that all, or even most, of the potentially serious consequences of masturbation would happen to any one individual. Nor did she say that the worst possible degree of a serious consequence would happen to most indulgers.

Modern research indicates that Ellen White's strong statements can be supported when she is properly understood. The general view today, however, is that masturbation is normal and healthy.

Two medical specialists have suggested a link between masturbation and physical abnormalities due to zinc-deficiency. Dr. David Horrobin, an M.D. and Ph.D. from Oxford University, states:

"The amount of zinc in semen is such that one ejaculation may get rid of all the zinc that can be absorbed from the intestines in one day. This has a number of consequences. Unless the amount lost is replaced by an increased dietary intake, repeated ejaculation may lead to a real zinc deficiency with various problems developing, including impotence.

"It is even possible, given the importance of zinc for the brain, that 19th century moralists were correct when they said that repeated masturbation could make one mad!"

More recent research has confirmed the critical role of zinc as a principal protector of the immune system, with a host of physical illnesses attributable to zinc-deficiency.
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#16 Jan 16, 2010
Correction; It shall say in post 14;

It is common worldly knowledge that eating dangerous and poisonous foods...
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#17 Jan 16, 2010
Two professionals in the area of clinical psychology and family therapy have compared Ellen White's statements on masturbation with current medical knowledge. Dr. Richard Nies defended Ellen White's general counsel on masturbation, making four main points:

(1) Masturbation leads to "mental, moral, and physical deterioration.... It is not the stimulation, per se, that is wrong. It's what's going on in ...[persons] when they're becoming self-referenced and self-centered."

(2) Masturbation "breaks down the finer sensitivities of our nervous system.... It is not difficult to see in terms of the electrical mediation of our nervous system, how disease becomes a natural result of individuals who have placed their own gratification at the center of their being.... Disease is the natural result of this."

(3) Masturbation is a predisposition that can be "inherited and passed on and transmitted from one generation to another, even leading to degeneration of the race."

(4) In dealing with others, especially children, Ellen White's counsel lies in the direction of dealing with the consequences, of showing them that we should be training for love and eternity, not self-gratification with its terrible consequences. Dr. Nies concluded his paper, "Self-gratification is synonymous with destruction."

Alberta Mazat observed that Ellen White's concern regarding masturbation was primarily on the mental consequences rather than the "purely physical act. She was more concerned with thought processes, attitudes, fantasies, etc." Mazat quoted Ellen White's references to the fact that "the effects are not the same on all minds," that "impure thoughts seize and control the imagination," and that the mind "takes pleasure in contemplating the scenes which awake base passion."

Mazat further noted that some may be embarrassed by Ellen White's strong statements regarding masturbation. However, many of Mrs. White's other statements also seemed "unrealistic and exaggerated before science corroborated them, for example, cancer being caused by a virus, the dangers of smoking, overeating, and the overuse of fats, sugar, and salt, to name a few.... It seems worthwhile to remind ourselves that medical knowledge at any point is not perfect."

Looked at from another perspective, God always upholds the ideal for His people through His messengers. However one reacts to Ellen White's specific counsel, clearly masturbation was not what God had in mind when He created man and woman, united them in marriage, and then instructed them to be fruitful and multiply. God's ideal in regard to sexuality is the loving relationship that exists in marriage between husband and wife. Anything else, including masturbation, falls far short of God's ideal.

( http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/faq-unus.ht... )
Bob the believer

Tibro, Sweden

#18 Jan 16, 2010
Notice, that this agent of the enemy brings up cases like masturbation, or “self indulgence” as Mrs White expressed herself, and other cases he can find that the established science community disagrees on. He is obviously out on “faultfinding”, as is everyone else that is not happy with observing the requirements of God and keep holy His Law.

It is clearly obvious to an experienced Seventh Day Adventist (I don’t consider myself much experienced, but at least I have some basic knowledge) that this man is no other than a dis-info agent. Since his arguments are not so deeply founded, we can conclude that he does not have (at least not yet, after what I have observed) the intellectual help and intelligence of a demon. So that brings us some hope that this man is maybe not yet demon possessed. However; it could be that he is, and that he is only showing a more “stupid” side to start with, in order to later bring on the same deceptive language as is often used by defenders of the theory of evolution, and other practitioners of questionable sciences.

Their goal is to bring in doubt and to keep God’s people and truth-seekers in endless debates and arguing. Thus to steal our time which we instead should use to prepare ourselves and others for what is to come upon this world.

I visited this site some years ago, and the traffic was quite calm by then, but now, I can see that the activity has mounted, and I must say that the Christian spirit one would expect on a site like this is in most parts lacking. This indicates that there have come more dis-info agents spreading their hatred and delusions…

Since: Jul 09

United States

#19 Jan 16, 2010
"It is even possible, given the importance of zinc for the brain, that 19th century moralists were correct when they said that repeated masturbation could make one mad!"

Could explain P of C's obsessive compulsive obediance to indulgence and doctrines of demons.

Maybe some zinc in his diet would improve his ability to fully read and quote what JESUS said.

Mat 4v4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

What Paul believed

Acts 24v14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets.

Excellent You tube by the way.

The jesuits represent a fairly large organization of subversion.

The first church of satan got it's start in S.F...
I have found that both organizations practice their faiths by attacking the faiths that are most relying upon God's word.

While it may be a case of "mental and nutritional dysfucntion brought on by their obsession with masturbation" to P of C and his brother jesuits the ALF, the fact remains that they are anti-God, and anti-christ in the most fundamental ground of their denial of JESUS claim to Lord of the SABBATH

The first seventh day adventist and founder of the church of Seventh Day adventists.

Gen 2v2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Couple all this anti-sda obsession with their denial of God's blessing, rest and sanctification on this hallowed Day..

And ya got yourself followers of the father of lies - cursed, restless and deceptive.
Lay Worker

Huntington Beach, CA

#20 Jan 16, 2010
Messenger4truth wrote:
The jesuits represent a fairly large organization of subversion.
The first church of satan got it's start in S.F...
I have found that both organizations practice their faiths by attacking the faiths that are most relying upon God's word.

While it may be a case of "mental and nutritional dysfucntion brought on by their obsession with masturbation" to P of C and his brother jesuits the ALF, the fact remains that they are anti-God, and anti-christ in the most fundamental ground of their denial of JESUS claim to Lord of the SABBATH

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no evidence just statements ALF is of the J's - as usual manipulative arguments to satisfy the SDA church is going thru when Good says she is spued... we understand you are up to your neck in one thread and could not answer CWE 23,24 maybe you could try than being a conversationalist for the LH in disguise

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