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#1 Apr 26, 2009
Someone said that about 30 years ago only 2% of members left because of theological reasons. Today that figure has changed to 60%, for sociological reasons it seems 40% goes out the backdoor. What is your opinion ? Why did this happen? Can anything be done to STOP the massive exodus? About 3 million left during the past two decades.
Roger

United States

#2 Apr 26, 2009
The ones that are truly rooted in the Bible and have true constant relationship with Jesus, with the help of the Holy Spirit can withstand any trials and tribulations and remain faithful until Jesus comes!. There will be more members leaving the church as more trials and tribulations come our way. Our only hope is in Jesus. Our only way to secure our salvation is thru Jesus and Jesus alone. Without Him, we will be lost. The questions is, are we truly in Him 100%? Only God knows our hearts!
Travis

United States

#3 Apr 26, 2009
The people are not being fed meat in due season. And are starving for truth.

You have some come out and walk in independent groups, coming out from apostacy to walk in advancing apostacy.

Some leave the truth altogether.

Some come out to walk in advancing truth.
Amish

Osceola, MO

#4 Apr 26, 2009
I'm not aware of any such survey.

It would be a good idea if the SDA separated from the Catholic traditional holidays of Christmas, Easter, St.V, Halloween et al. These are nothing but ecumenism and having other gods, very bad.
Leave All

United States

#5 Apr 26, 2009
A main reason for the exodous is the mistreatment of people. Polittics also play a major role. For exampple if one homeschools their child in the SDA church they are looked upon neigatively. If they are a pastor and they homeschool they can forget it. They will get no calls or be sent to the proverbial Siberia to teach them a lesson. It's do it our way or you will pay. Funny thing is SDA'a claim that Rome is guilty of this. Have mercy Lord, have mercy!!!!!!!!!!
Amish

Osceola, MO

#6 Apr 26, 2009
Schools are a big part of the problem too.
Haldog

Olathe, KS

#7 Apr 26, 2009
From the numerous ex-SDA's I have spoken with it is PURELY for theological reasons. SDA theology WILL NOT withstand a serious bible study. The IJ is hogwash and completely un-biblical. That, as well as the Ellen worship that holds her word higher than the Word sent me packing.

“Proud to be Mahu”

Since: Sep 07

Sacramento, CA

#8 Apr 28, 2009
I was "stricken from the books" by my own father as a final straw after being harrassed and bullied all the way through the SDA school system since I was a kid. Why? Because I am not, nor have I ever been, attracted to men. It doesn't matter what else I've done, or how much I tried to live up to their expectations, that ONE thing was all they could see... and so I lost my family, my friends, and my past. Really Christian of them, and I have met others who had the same experience as queers growing up in the closed SDA community, and none that I talked to were still in the church.
Of course, I am happier as a Buddhist, but it took me a long time and a lot of tears to get here.
Elizabeth

Hallett, Australia

#9 Apr 28, 2009
FrankieM wrote:
I was "stricken from the books" by my own father as a final straw after being harrassed and bullied all the way through the SDA school system since I was a kid. Why? Because I am not, nor have I ever been, attracted to men. It doesn't matter what else I've done, or how much I tried to live up to their expectations, that ONE thing was all they could see... and so I lost my family, my friends, and my past. Really Christian of them, and I have met others who had the same experience as queers growing up in the closed SDA community, and none that I talked to were still in the church.
Of course, I am happier as a Buddhist, but it took me a long time and a lot of tears to get here.
I'm sorry to read about your experiences, I'm also the daughter of a Seventh Day Adventist minister.
If you want to talk about stuff my email is
[email protected]
Amish

Plattsburg, MO

#10 Apr 28, 2009
FrankieM wrote:
I was "stricken from the books" by my own father as a final straw after being harrassed and bullied all the way through the SDA school system since I was a kid. Why? Because I am not, nor have I ever been, attracted to men. It doesn't matter what else I've done, or how much I tried to live up to their expectations, that ONE thing was all they could see... and so I lost my family, my friends, and my past. Really Christian of them, and I have met others who had the same experience as queers growing up in the closed SDA community, and none that I talked to were still in the church.
Of course, I am happier as a Buddhist, but it took me a long time and a lot of tears to get here.
Sounds more like you're a victim of the marxist school system than anything else.

True, a person such as yourself would be removed for failing to change, but the problem is you chose the path. So it's not them but you.

Had you got married earlier and not been raised in the socialized feminist schools then life could have turned out different.

Dating = fornication in the Bible. We are to get married.

While the SDA churches and schools are better than the rest they seem to struggle with this, mostly due to federal regulation mandates (sex-ed).

Hope everything works out for ya!

Since: May 08

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#11 Apr 28, 2009
Amish wrote:
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Sounds more like you're a victim of the marxist school system than anything else.
True, a person such as yourself would be removed for failing to change, but the problem is you chose the path. So it's not them but you.
Had you got married earlier and not been raised in the socialized feminist schools then life could have turned out different.
Dating = fornication in the Bible. We are to get married.
While the SDA churches and schools are better than the rest they seem to struggle with this, mostly due to federal regulation mandates (sex-ed).
Hope everything works out for ya!
You really show you know nothing of what you talk about!

Sad.

“Proud to be Mahu”

Since: Sep 07

Sacramento, CA

#12 Apr 28, 2009
Amish wrote:
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Sounds more like you're a victim of the marxist school system than anything else.
True, a person such as yourself would be removed for failing to change, but the problem is you chose the path. So it's not them but you.
Had you got married earlier and not been raised in the socialized feminist schools then life could have turned out different.
Dating = fornication in the Bible. We are to get married.
While the SDA churches and schools are better than the rest they seem to struggle with this, mostly due to federal regulation mandates (sex-ed).
Hope everything works out for ya!
Okay, you made some assumptions here that prove you are speaking out of ignorance (not knowing the facts). I was raised by a minister and went to S.D.A. schools my whole life until the last month of my senior year of high school.
Despite this my first memories are of having a crush on my beautiful first grade teacher, and my best friend was also the girl I dreamed of marrying one day (ah, the innocence of kids). I have ALWAYS been lesbian, it wasn't something I CHOSE. Hell, could I have chosen, it would not have been to live the life I did and to lose all I did simply because I was the way I was.
It is easy for people like you to say that we choose to be queer. But, at what point did you choose to be straight? Were you ever attracted to the same sex, but made a conscious choice to be straight? No, you never made that choice because something inside you attracted you to the opposite sex. I suppose you cannot even imagine loving someone of the same sex can you? Well, I didn't make a choice either, I am and have always been attracted to women and could not even fathom loving a man.
And yes, wouldn't it have been nice if I could have gotten married earlier? But it would have been loveless -- and marriage without love is pointless. I will not marry without love, and I will not marry simply to conform to your Patriarchal domestic demands.
And dating is not "fornication." Dating is getting to know someone... getting to know them deeply on an emotional and spiritual level. It isn't just about sex, although I'm sure in your repressed little mind it is. You BUILD a relationship, gay or straight, over time and it takes a LOT of work, but is worth every moment and bit of effort. I suppose you would prefer arranged marriages where we are sold off like cattle to the highest dowry as it was in the Bible eh?
Wow -- simply mind-boggling.
Earthcaller

Clearwater, FL

#13 Apr 29, 2009
FrankieM wrote:
I was "stricken from the books" by my own father as a final straw after being harrassed and bullied all the way through the SDA school system since I was a kid. Why? Because I am not, nor have I ever been, attracted to men. It doesn't matter what else I've done, or how much I tried to live up to their expectations, that ONE thing was all they could see... and so I lost my family, my friends, and my past. Really Christian of them, and I have met others who had the same experience as queers growing up in the closed SDA community, and none that I talked to were still in the church.
Of course, I am happier as a Buddhist, but it took me a long time and a lot of tears to get here.
What happened to you is not God's fault and you didn't have to become a Buddhist. The people from the church drove you out of the church but Jesus never left you. You left him. So now come back to him and forget about the SDA mainline be an Adventist and be independent.

“Proud to be Mahu”

Since: Sep 07

Sacramento, CA

#14 Apr 29, 2009
Earthcaller wrote:
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What happened to you is not God's fault and you didn't have to become a Buddhist. The people from the church drove you out of the church but Jesus never left you. You left him. So now come back to him and forget about the SDA mainline be an Adventist and be independent.
Do you know anything about Buddhism? It's main tenets are: compassion and love. There is not this whole obsession with controlling other people's lives, because everyone walks on a different path towards enlightenment, you merely have to be compassionate towards each other and know that we are all working towards the same goal.
My brother, who used to minister in the SDA church both here and in NZ, read a book of the Dalai Lama's I gave him, and he told me that what the Dalai was talking about was what true Christianity was meant to be.
But somehow Christianity has lost its way and its compassion and love. It's more about showing off your new clothes on Saturday (or Sunday), or comparing yourself to others and revelling in what sinners they are while you are so much closer to God then they, and, in the particular case of the Adventist Church: arguing about little particulars such as Salvation by faith or works, or the way that EG White reveals a particular text in Daniel or Revelations, rather then loving, having compassion for, and helping out your fellow human beings.
Buddhism claims that all religions are valid -- all are paths towards the same goal, and I think that is true, I just think that some paths lead into some dangerous neighborhoods where it is easy to get lost. I wish the SDA's concentrated on and practiced compassion and love... but sadly they don't. So, I found a religion that does, and you know what -- that doesn't make me less of a person, but your seeing me as less of a person says a lot about your beliefs.
Theology Proper

North Fort Myers, FL

#15 Apr 29, 2009
Christ makes clear at the end the wheat and the tares will be seperated as seen in Matthew 13..

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

33Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Amish

Plattsburg, MO

#16 Apr 29, 2009
Hinduism and Buddhism are Mithraic founded same as Roman Catholicism.

"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

It is a choice.

“Proud to be Mahu”

Since: Sep 07

Sacramento, CA

#17 Apr 29, 2009
Amish wrote:
Hinduism and Buddhism are Mithraic founded same as Roman Catholicism.
"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."
It is a choice.
Oh Rubbish! That is like saying that German and English are similar to Farsi because of their common Indo-European ancestry. Hinduism dates back to the Vedic era in about 2000 BCE. The Mithraic mysteries were not practiced until the first century CE. Mithras can be traced back to Babylon, the Veda is traced back to India.
But, if you want to look at history, yes, Christianity, like Judeism and Islam can be traced back to Zorastor and the dawn of Monotheism. And yes, whether you want to admit it or not SDA's, like all protestant Christian sects, are direct descendents of the Catholic Church's lineage.
Seriously, that is one thing that I really don't like about SDA's, as well as some other Christian Sects, they denigrate, demonize and belittle any religion or any adherant of any religion that is different then their own. "Many sheep in other folds have I." Seriously, get over yourself, and start seeing people as a part of a humanity that you also are a part of rather then seeing the world through you "us and them" myopic lenses.
Amish

Mountain Grove, MO

#19 Apr 29, 2009
didn't bump???.)
Amish

Mountain Grove, MO

#21 Apr 30, 2009
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and >>>Satan, which deceiveth the whole world<<<: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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The Protestant Reformation and resulting SDA comes from the preserved word of God, which did not come from the RCC.
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#24 Apr 30, 2009
Please answer the SURVEY-QUESTION! and refrain from getting into personal arguments...or we will take your name OFF the church list and you will be LOST!!

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