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Terrilyn

Australia

#1 Jul 15, 2008
For sky and Kevin

Here is a quote of rebellion against historical facts the Times of the Gentiles has happened even the Church admitted it but has since gone silent, does not mean the Event has not occured. There is historical evidence against IGNORANCE BLINDLY DEFYING THE FACTS REBELLION will always be by the majority and leaders of the church and men who think they know it all and men in high positions.

(1 Sam. 15:23). Lessons From the Rebellion.--I question whether genuine rebellion is ever curable. Study in Patriarchs and Prophets the rebellion of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram. This rebellion was extended, including more than two men.[REFERENCE IS HERE MADE TO TWO MEN LEADING A REBELLION IN A CERTAIN FIELD.--EDITOR.] It was led by two hundred and fifty princes of the congregation, men of renown. Call rebellion by its right name, and apostasy by its right name, and then consider that the experience of the ancient people of God with all its objectionable features was faithfully chronicled to pass into history. The Scripture declares, "These things were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come." And if men and women who have the knowledge of the truth are so far separated from their great Leader, that they will take the great leader of apostasy, and name him Christ our Righteousness, it is because they have not sunk the shaft deep into the mines of truth. They are not able to distinguish the precious ore from the base material....{1BC 1114.3}
Terrilyn

Australia

#2 Jul 15, 2008
The same spirit that moved the priests and rulers had moved Cain to slay his brother. It is the apostasy from truth that works in the children of disobedience to silence the voice of those who are calling them to obedience. And today this spirit is manifested in the churches that are trampling upon the word of God, transgressing his holy law. They know not what spirit they are of, nor the end of the dark tunnel through which they are passing. Deceived, deluded, blind, they are hastening forward to the first and the second death. The vast tide of human will and human passion is leading to things they did not dream of when they discarded the law of Jehovah for the inventions of men, to cause oppression and suffering to human beings.{RH, December 26, 1899 par. 15}

The churches have been converted to the world, and they show what they would do in this age of the world if they dared. If Christ were in the world today, many would have no more desire for him than had the Jewish nation at his first advent. They would do as did the Jews. Were it in their power, they would crucify Christ because he tells them the truth. Many are being educated up to this point. Rulers and teachers, who have caused souls to stumble over their perverted teachings,--all persons who might have understood the prophecies, but who did not read and search to see if they were applicable to this time, and concerned their individual selves, will be taken in the snare, and suffer eternal loss. They will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

There are men who profess to be ministers of the Gospel who are teaching heresy, and deceiving many, and leading thousands in the way of apostasy.{ST, July 4, 1895 par. 4}

The apostasy prevailing today is similar to that which in the prophet's day overspread Israel. In the exaltation of the human above the divine, in the praise of popular leaders, in the worship of mammon, and in the placing of the teachings of science above the truths of revelation, multitudes today are following after Baal. Doubt and unbelief are exercising their baleful influence over mind and heart, and many are substituting for the oracles of God the theories of men. It is publicly taught that we have reached a time when human reason should be exalted above the teachings of the Word.
Terrilyn

Australia

#3 Jul 15, 2008
sky and kevin why put yourselves at odds with Jesus own Prophecy?

jer. 6:10 To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear [is] uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
Terrilyn

Australia

#4 Jul 15, 2008
sky wrote on the other topic titled by the same but is more for the precious truth on the subject, so this one is for commenting so we can still receive the present and advancing truth of "The Times of the Gentilse.

sky said... It is perfectly safe and scriptural to state that the Jews are not believers in Christ and for that reason they are unbelievers or Gentile Jews. Thus Jerusalem is still trodden down by Gentiles.

Why are you willfully ignoring the statement from Mrs. White which clearly states that Daniel 11:45 simply means that Satan has planted his throne (tabernacles of his palaces) between God and man?

The king of the north in Daniel 11:40 is the papacy at the time of 1798 who received a deadly wound at the hand of atheistic France, the then known king of the south.

Daniel 11:41-44 describe the papacy regaining its supremacy over the whole world and having intelligence with the professed people of God (the glorious land) those who have forsaken the holy covenant by repudiating the pillars of our faith. This is followed by the loud cry (news from the east and from the north) followed in turn by the death decree (the papacy and its image going out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many) and then their complete overthrow at the time of the fifth and sixth plagues when the "seas" the people of every nation will then turn against the king of the north and destroy him and none will help him."

Terrilyn Comment
sky,-- this statement of yours...the Jews are not believers in Christ and for that reason they are unbelievers or Gentile Jews. Thus Jerusalem is still trodden down by Gentiles. According to Jesus what you said has nothing to do with the City of Jerusalem being no longer trodden down by the Gentiles it has nothing to do with what the Jews believe or in whom they believe, that does not bring the times of the Gentiles to an end, according to Jesus own words.

sky , If it does and it is written in Jesus prophecy Plelase give the text in Luke 21 that says so.

Terrilyn says ----sky Again you make a rediculous statement..."Why are you willfully ignoring the statement from Mrs. White which clearly states that Daniel 11:45 simply means that Satan has planted his throne (tabernacles of his palaces) between God and man?"

Why do you ignore the words of Sacred Scripture ...Dan. 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

My Bible map shows three seas -The Mediterranean Sea known as The Great Sea, The Dead Sea, and The Sea of Galilee.

Then guess what is right in the center of these Seas on my Bible map? Right where Jesus said it would be, and right where the POPE will plant his Palaces the CITY OF JERUSALEM the literal place in the world that Jesus was talking about.

God did not make it impossible for His saints to know the fact that you do not see it only reveals your Laodicean Lethargy, blindness, stubborn stiff-necked Pharisaical attitude and mindset.
Lay Worker

Australia

#5 Jul 16, 2008
What is this quote from EGW about Dan 11:45 where satan plants his tabernacles ??

It is doubted such exists.
sky

Canada

#6 Jul 16, 2008
Lay Worker wrote:
What is this quote from EGW about Dan 11:45 where satan plants his tabernacles ??
It is doubted such exists.
"In this world he has set up a kingdom of darkness, of which he, the leader in guilt, is prince. He desired to ursurp the throne of God. Failing in this, he has worked in darkness, in crookedness, in deception, to usurp His place in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne (tabernacles of his palaces) between God and man, to appropriate the adoration that belongs to God alone." Vol.6, p.1119.
sky

Canada

#7 Jul 16, 2008
The king of the north in Daniel 11:40 is the papacy at the time of 1798 who received a deadly wound at the hand of atheistic France, the then known king of the south (spiritual Egypt).
Daniel 11:41-44 describe the papacy, some time after 1798) regaining its supremacy over the whole world and having intelligence with the professed people of God (the glorious land) those who have forsaken the holy covenant by repudiating the pillars of their faith. This is followed by the loud cry (news from the east and from the north) followed in turn by the death decree (the papacy and its image going out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many) and then their complete overthrow at the time of the fifth and sixth plagues when the "seas" the people of every nation on the globe turning on the king of the north (and its image) to destroy him and its kingdom and there shall be none to help him as prophesied in verse 45.
By using the geographical method of interpretation to interpret Daniel 11:40-45, we cannot but arrive at false conclusions concerning last day events for we would be making the Middle East the focus and central stage of end time events whereas in the book The Great Controversy, it is the enactment of the National Sunday law in the US and every country on the globe following suit that will trigger the last day events.
sky
sky

Canada

#8 Jul 16, 2008
If I wanted to be mean to you guys I could say to you "Can't you get that through your thick head, the Lord has already told us in no uncertain terms that the US will be the center stage in these last days" but I won't because it is not becoming to a Christian to speak in this manner! And yet, one would be warranted to speak to you in this manner since the last chapters of The Great Controversy plainly tell us what is to take place and there is nothing said, absolutely nothing in these chapters to substantiate what you guys are saying.

Plus, this idea that the times of the Gentiles ended in 1967 came from Laodiceans who lacked spiritual discernment and now you would accuse those who refuse to accept these shortsighted views as being lethargic Laodiceans! There is something wrong with this picture!:)
Lay Worker

Australia

#9 Jul 16, 2008
Where is that EGW quote about Dan 11:45 - sky
now dont go silent on all the readers - sky

your latest effort about the times of the nations is completely myopic; the time (achri hou) ended in 1980. 1980. 1980.

1967 was the sign is was to end. How biased then is your attitude denying facts?

While your rummaging for the quote about Dan 11:545 what is the geograpical location of
Rev 16:16?

BTW
TODAY, 2008, the kings of north and south" of Dan 11 today,(2008) is without question Islam; only a completely Laodicean would deny that.

What your saying about "Great Controversy" last published 1911 (which did not include the light given to EGW re CWE 23,24) your saying before all the readers, no more light was to shine forth .. and you know EGW said we will have to remain in this world many more years because of insubordination.

Men should walk humbly on their knees - because where after 1901 did EGW say the NSL would be the sign for God's people when she said study Luke chapter 21?
haus mate

Australia

#10 Jul 17, 2008
sky wrote:
<quoted text>
"In this world he has set up a kingdom of darkness, of which he, the leader in guilt, is prince. He desired to ursurp the throne of God. Failing in this, he has worked in darkness, in crookedness, in deception, to usurp His place in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne (tabernacles of his palaces) between God and man, to appropriate the adoration that belongs to God alone." Vol.6, p.1119.
Whats vol 6 p 1119 and when was it written and by who? Where can I find it?
haus mate

Australia

#11 Jul 17, 2008
Why cannot sky answer the questions given to him above??

I would say he is a rude dogmatic follower of tradition and where was he when God passed out the brains to see facts and hitorical events, but I won't say any of that because it would not be christian to say so, so I won't say any of that.
Terrilyn

Australia

#12 Jul 17, 2008
sky wrote:
If I wanted to be mean to you guys I could say to you "Can't you get that through your thick head, the Lord has already told us in no uncertain terms that the US will be the center stage in these last days" but I won't because it is not becoming to a Christian to speak in this manner! And yet, one would be warranted to speak to you in this manner since the last chapters of The Great Controversy plainly tell us what is to take place and there is nothing said, absolutely nothing in these chapters to substantiate what you guys are saying.
Plus, this idea that the times of the Gentiles ended in 1967 came from Laodiceans who lacked spiritual discernment and now you would accuse those who refuse to accept these shortsighted views as being lethargic Laodiceans! There is something wrong with this picture!:)
At least those who have spoken truth and stood for truth have had righteous anger at lies and error and got rightfully angry at those who called truth a lie at least they did not act like hypocrates like sky has just proven himself above, like sky ---above who has pretended all along to be this wonderful Christain man who critizes everyine else for saying what he calls unchristian character ans=d t is agaisnt chrst for any to do that then he turns around and does it himself but pretends he is not really doing it. He pretends he would never say anyhting evil about anybody because he only shows all the fruits that everyone seems to think he has fruits that define a true christian character.

The truth is at least they (I know what is truth and especially about RXF ad the Godhead and Luke 21:24 and I never siad I was a saint) did not hid behind a pretentous mannerism they are at least not hypocrates. I think haus mate caught it and copied what sky did and made a joke of it by saying the same things) sky just showed himelf to be deceitful, and two faced.
Terrilyn

Australia

#13 Jul 17, 2008
sky -----is hiding like Adventist did so often and the cats got his tongue!
sky

Canada

#14 Jul 18, 2008
In all due respect, anyone who professes to believe present truth and cannot see that "he is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but he is a Jew who is one inwardly" (Rom.2:28,29) cannot be thought of as dividing the Scriptures aright.

Romans 2:28,29 clearly mean that "If you are Christ's, then you are Abrahamn's seed and therefore heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:29.

To fail to discern this is to be spiritually blind. Anyone who discerns what the above passages of Scriptures are saying will see that Jerusalem today is still trodden down under foot by Gentiles. The Jews in Palestine are still unbelievers, therefore Jews of the Gentiles! Therefore what took place in 967 has absolutely no meaning at all as far as last day events are concerned.

sky
sky

Canada

#15 Jul 18, 2008
i meant to write "1967" of course.:)
Lay Worker

Australia

#16 Jul 18, 2008
The conclusion of Rom 2:28,29 has nothing to do with the prophecy concerning the CITY Jerusalem; for it prefigures the spiritual walk of righteousness by fath and holds no bearing to Luke 21:24.

For nearly two millenia people were walking int he conclusion of Romans 2 and the city of Jerusalem was trodden down, until 1967 when the Jews took control of the Western Wall and in 1980 pronounced the transfer of the city from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

One can safely conclude Rom 2 has nothing to do with events of 1967 or 1980. Yet the event concerning Jerusalem no longer being trodden down stands. It is a fact.

Sincere SDA's who speak as authorities on Bible prophecy are now behind in their reckoning as the prophetic scroll unfurls. They cannot blame God for the worldwide Sabbath School in 1980 was alerted to the fulfilment of this prophecy and the entire membership of the SDA Church was made aware to its fulfilment.
sky

Canada

#17 Jul 18, 2008
What bearings can the presence of the Jews in Palestine possibly have on the order of last day events except that they are only another Gentile nation who will for the most part pay homage to the beast and its image in these last days?

We have a lot more reasons to spend time studying the parable prophecy of the wedding garment (Matt.22) since it applies to the Advent Movement since 1844. This parable delineates for us the order of last day events as far as the professed church of God is concerned. It would seem that very few understand this prophecy though it contains a lesson of the highest consequence in regard to our eternal destiny:

"The parable of the wedding garment opens before us a lesson of the highest consequence." Christ's Object Lessons, p.307.

sky
Lay Worker

Australia

#18 Jul 18, 2008
sky, referred to the following quote as fulfilment if Dan 11:45... lets observe what its saying ...

"In this world he has set up a kingdom of darkness, of which he, the leader in guilt, is prince. He desired to usurp the throne of God. Failing in this, he has worked in darkness, in crookedness, in deception, to usurp his place in the hearts of men. He has set up his throne between God and man, to appropriate the adoration that belongs to God alone (MS 33, 1911).{6BC 1119.9}

sky - would you care to advise why you manipulated the Writings to invent the throne of satan would be Dan 11:45 when the quote is talking about the "HEARTS OF MEN" ?????

Why the fraud to people who know no better- you have discredited yourself even though you preach about righteousness by faith and 1888, the Sabbath and now you lie about this? Is it because you have shared truth previously that no one would investigate anything else from your lips and to beleive you without investigation on their own?

This fabrication of sky's is an attemp to deny the fulfilment of Luke 21:24 and consequent relevance to Dan 11:45.

The fulfilment of Luke 21:24 is to show God's people just where we stand in the stream of time. People like sky and their evangelical dispenationalism manages to quieten down the interest and concern of those truly searching

Conclusion:
Manipulation of this magnitude of the Writings [no matter how loving Christian character you insist needs to be conveyed through all your posts) no matter how you look at it is a form of lying. Should we marvel??

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.(1 Cor 16:14,15)

People's souls are in jeopardy listening to these manipulators - multitudes in valley of decision, multitudes in the valley of decision" either to choose to stay in Babylon or in this case with the 'daughter of Babylon'. The seriousness of the Hour to escape from the Apostasy in SDA Church or remain and be slaughtered in the apostasy!

sky

Canada

#19 Jul 18, 2008
Time will certainly prove (and very soon for that matter) that these excentric interpretations regarding Luke 21:24 cannot not hold any water. I rest my case.

laval
haus mate

Australia

#20 Jul 18, 2008
sky
Donnacona, Canada #6 Wednesday Jul 16
Lay Worker wrote:
What is this quote from EGW about Dan 11:45 where satan plants his tabernacles ??
It is doubted such exists.

Sky wrote..." "In this world he has set up a kingdom of darkness, of which he, the leader in guilt, is prince. He desired to ursurp the throne of God. Failing in this, he has worked in darkness, in crookedness, in deception, to usurp His place in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne (tabernacles of his palaces) between God and man, to appropriate the adoration that belongs to God alone." Vol.6, p.11 "

Thanks for sharing LW and for exposing such a maniputative LIE by SKY, to try to deceive these dear People who are truly searching for truth, for this present time. Sky added to the quote to make it look like it was about Dan. 11:45 the following..."(tabernacles of his palaces)".

I do not have the words for such I will bite my tongue, what sky has tried to get away with, it is evil.

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