Who are the "Remnant"?
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Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#1 Dec 3, 2011
This a great explanation...

Biblical Remnant
The Bible speaks of a remnant on several occasions. When God looked upon the earth before the Flood, only Noah’s family was faithful (Gen. 6:1-5). When the Israelites made the golden calf, only a few refused to worship it (Ex. 32:25, 26). When Ahab led Israel into apostasy, only Elijah and 7,000 others did not bow to Baal (1 Kings 19:10-18). When Judah could return from the exile in Babylon, only a few heeded God’s call (Ezra 2:1-70). And when Jesus came to earth only a remnant accepted Him (John 1:10-13). A remnant, therefore, refers to a group of people who remain faithful to God when the majority around them compromises its faith.

Perhaps the best-known reference to the remnant is Revelation 12:17, which describes the characteristics of this group in the context of the last days of earth’s history. This remnant has six important characteristics.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#2 Dec 3, 2011
Characteristic 1: Time of Its Appearance
Revelation 12 summarizes the great controversy between good and evil, between Jesus Christ and His angels (Rev. 12:7) and the dragon, Satan (12:3, 7-9). Four encounters are described.

First, there is a battle in heaven (12:7-9). Second, at the incarnation of Jesus the dragon attempts to destroy Him, but is defeated (12:1-5, 10). Third, the dragon attacks the church, symbolized by a pure woman, and persecutes her for 1,260 prophetic days or years (12:13-16). Adventists understand this period to end in A.D. 1798. It is after this date that the remnant appears and faces the dragon in the fourth and final encounter. The remnant of Revelation 12:17, therefore, emerges and thrives in the last days—in our time.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#3 Dec 3, 2011
Characteristic 2: A Distinct Identity
The remnant is described as “the remnant of her [the church’s] seed.” By definition “remnant” implies one small part of a much bigger whole. The seed of the woman is numerous, but the remnant constitutes only a small part of this whole. Today there are 2 billion professed followers of Jesus. While the dragon hates all who have even a semblance of faith, his wrath is directed specifically against this small group, this remnant, because by their fidelity to God they stand apart from the rest. If ever the remnant were to compromise its special identity, it would cease to be the remnant.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#4 Dec 3, 2011
Characteristic 3: The Testimony of Jesus
Revelation 12:17 declares that the remnant has “the testimony of Jesus Christ.”“Testimony” is another word for “witness,” and is used in the Bible as a confirmation or proof of something.1 It is often used specifically in relation to salvation by grace.2 The truth that salvation is a gift of God was a clarion call by Jesus and the apostles against the backdrop of the legalism of the rabbis and the heathenism of the pagans. It was also the rallying point of the Reformation against a works-based medieval religion. In these last days the remnant stands by this most amazing of truths and announces God’s free gift to a suffering humanity. It is God’s grace that gives the remnant its identity and empowers it to stand firm.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#5 Dec 3, 2011
Characteristic 4: The Commandments of God
Revelation 12:17 also highlights the remnant’s obedience to the commandments as one of its foremost characteristics:“The dragon … went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God”(KJV).

Historically, Protestants have held biblical law in general, and the Ten Commandments in particular, in high esteem. However, dispensationalism and postmodernism — an unlikely coalition — 
have combined to change this. The former assigns the Ten Commandments to the Old Testament and declares them no longer valid. The latter downplays belief in objective truth in favor of relative and subjective truth. Against this backdrop Revelation 12:17 describes the remnant as obedient to the commandments of God.

Obedience does not negate the efficacy of God’s grace. Rather, it defines God’s will for our lives. God writes His law of love on our hearts so that obedience becomes a way of living (Jer. 31:33).

Central to remnant fidelity is the Sabbath commandment, which reminds humanity of our origin and allegiance. John touches on this theme again in Revelation 14:7, a clear allusion to the fourth commandment. The Sabbath as a sign between God and His people (Ex. 31:13; Eze. 20:12, 20) becomes the defining mark of God’s end-time people.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#6 Dec 3, 2011
Characteristic 5: Prophetic Role
A comparison of Revelation 12:17, 14:8, and 19:10 shows that the remnant has the Spirit of Prophecy. This means two things. First, the remnant has been given the Holy Spirit to understand biblical prophecy. The Adventist Church was born when people studied prophecy and continues to find an essential part of its identity in biblical prophecy. It is the unique understanding of last-day events and the special role we are called to play that has fueled Adventist mission that now spans the globe, as well as commitment to holy living.

Second, it means that the remnant is to be led through the gift of prophecy (1 Cor. 12:7-11; 2 Peter 1:21; Rev. 19:10). The role of biblical prophets was to provide inspired guidance to God’s people during important junctures in the history of salvation.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#7 Dec 3, 2011
Characteristic 6: Mission
Every biblical remnant had a crucial mission in the plan of salvation. The remnant of Revelation 12:17 is no exception. As it faces the dragon’s attacks it must heed James’s advice:“Resist the devil and he will flee from you”(James 4:7). Resisting is not a passive activity. Revelation 14:1-13 pictures God’s people taking the initiative to bring the battle to the enemy by proclaiming the everlasting gospel throughout the inhabited world. The good news of salvation by grace is to be fully proclaimed to a suffering world. The dragon’s repeated attempts to mar the character of God must be exposed and the beauty of what it means to live in and for Christ not only preached but demonstrated. Success in this mission brings glory to God’s name.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#8 Dec 3, 2011
While the universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Jesus Christ, God has called a remnant to proclaim a special message in these last days of widespread confusion. It lives and proclaims the gospel of salvation in Jesus; obedience to the Ten Commandments, including the seventh-day Sabbath; maintains a distinct and strong identity; understands its role prophetically; and is on a mission to resist the dragon and spread the gospel to the entire world.

This is who God’s end-time remnant are.
chris

La Crescenta, CA

#10 Dec 3, 2011
The Bible is referring the Israelites throughout the
Old Testament. The seed of the woman will cruch the
serpants head. Mary carried that seed who was Jesus
Jesus crushed the serpants head at the cross. Crushed
is past tense.

The woman with the 12 stars around her head is Israel
and the stars are the 12 tribes of Israel.

The 144000 is referring to the remnant Jews as for
toled in Zach 12 vs 10. The Jews are the keepers of
the Law. The Sabbath was given to them. This remnant
will be the Jews who accept Christ as Lord in the end times.

EGW is a nut case and taught a fraudlent theology
and we all fell for it. She is completely wrong and
her teachings are from hell.

That is why Israel is a nation again. Who would have
ever thought that Israel would be restord. But God
is in charge and He ordained it for his purpose. He is
still dealing with Israel and will show them the nail
prints in his hands ,and they will mourn for what they did, but they will not all be lost.., God is good and
shows mercy to who he wants.
A Voice In The Wilderness

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Dec 3, 2011
chris wrote:
That is why Israel is a nation again. Who would haveever thought that Israel would be restord. But God
is in charge and He ordained it for his purpose. He is
still dealing with Israel and will show them the nail
prints in his hands ,and they will mourn for what they did, but they will not all be lost.., God is good and
shows mercy to who he wants.
Friend, you will be surprised to learn that the creation of a literal nation of Israel in 1948 was in fact ordained by Satan himself for a very specific purpose. Notice:

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Albert Pike(Founder of all rituals and ceremonies of the modern Scottish-Rite Freemasonry, and who, while channeling demons wrote the 'Bible' of Freemasonry, called Morals and Dogma) received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

Following are extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)
A Voice In The Wilderness

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Dec 3, 2011
Continued...
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"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

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The creation of the literal nation of Israel is nothing but part of a global deception, intended for Christians and non-Christians alike.

As it has always been the case through time, God's church has always been His true faithful believers who obey Him. Those who accept Jesus Christ and by faith allow Him to create them anew are considered part of the kingdom of God. They are ISRAEL.

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God." Romans 2:28,29

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:26-29
chris

La Crescenta, CA

#13 Dec 3, 2011
Voice in the wilderness you are screwed up because of
Adventism. I feel so sorry for you that you have been
taught all this deceit. It is right in your face.
Remember I told youy so you won't be surprised as it
unfolds. It is the Jews baby and that is the way it
is. Adventism goes all over the place trying to
make it fit their theology, but it just does does not work,
The truth covers all your works efforts.

It is Israel and that is final. The Jews are the Renmnant as fortold in Zech 12 vs 10 and you can't get out of God word. Sorry no go I"ll stick with the word instead
of all your EGW Malarkie.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#14 Dec 3, 2011
Hobie wrote:
Characteristic 3: The Testimony of Jesus
Revelation 12:17 declares that the remnant has “the testimony of Jesus Christ.”“Testimony” is another word for “witness,” and is used in the Bible as a confirmation or proof of something.1 It is often used specifically in relation to salvation by grace.2 The truth that salvation is a gift of God was a clarion call by Jesus and the apostles against the backdrop of the legalism of the rabbis and the heathenism of the pagans. It was also the rallying point of the Reformation against a works-based medieval religion. In these last days the remnant stands by this most amazing of truths and announces God’s free gift to a suffering humanity. It is God’s grace that gives the remnant its identity and empowers it to stand firm.
The illusion being built by Hobie is that the SDA church is the remnant from Rev 12:17

Since one of the identifying aspects of the remnant of the woman's seed and not the woman is that it includes the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1/ Can Hobie explain why the once faithful woman, the once pure woman the SDA church played the harlot and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?

2/ Can Hobie then explain why the ministerial association of SDAs wobbled when the Barnhouse Martin affair occured and accepted the evangelical ideas about the gospel and changed her beleifs and shared this with the world in Questions on Doctrine ?

3/ Can Hobie then explain why the SDA church - excommunicated the prince of SDA theologians Elder ML Andreasen without severance when MLA exalted Christ and His rightoeusness over the issue of the Evangelical compromises and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?

4/ Can Hobie then explain why the SDA Church then accepted the New Theology on the nature of Christ [its in the 27 FBs] and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?

5/ Can Hobie then explain why the SDA church then capitulated on her 'sacred trust'[9T19] and defied the long held view concerning the dual atonement - insisting it was all completed at the cross [ which is in QoD and also in 27FBs] and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?

6/ Can HObie then explain how the central doctrine of the LH [Triune Trinity] was then accepted as FB #2, 4 in 1980 at Dallas and just how in the world that can be viewed as a testimony of Jesus?

If you truly love your SAVIOUR
Speak up Hobie -

Since: Jun 10

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#15 Dec 3, 2011
chris wrote:
Voice in the wilderness you are screwed up because of
Adventism.
I feel so sorry for you that you have been
taught all this deceit. It is right in your face.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#16 Dec 4, 2011
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
The illusion being built by Hobie is that the SDA church is the remnant from Rev 12:17
Since one of the identifying aspects of the remnant of the woman's seed and not the woman is that it includes the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1/ Can Hobie explain why the once faithful woman, the once pure woman the SDA church played the harlot and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?
2/ Can Hobie then explain why the ministerial association of SDAs wobbled when the Barnhouse Martin affair occured and accepted the evangelical ideas about the gospel and changed her beleifs and shared this with the world in Questions on Doctrine ?
3/ Can Hobie then explain why the SDA church - excommunicated the prince of SDA theologians Elder ML Andreasen without severance when MLA exalted Christ and His rightoeusness over the issue of the Evangelical compromises and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?
4/ Can Hobie then explain why the SDA Church then accepted the New Theology on the nature of Christ [its in the 27 FBs] and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?
5/ Can Hobie then explain why the SDA church then capitulated on her 'sacred trust'[9T19] and defied the long held view concerning the dual atonement - insisting it was all completed at the cross [ which is in QoD and also in 27FBs] and explain how that is giving the testimony of Jesus?
6/ Can HObie then explain how the central doctrine of the LH [Triune Trinity] was then accepted as FB #2, 4 in 1980 at Dallas and just how in the world that can be viewed as a testimony of Jesus?
If you truly love your SAVIOUR
Speak up Hobie -
Show me any other church that fulfils the truth of the remnant, the Catholic, the Luthern, the Mormon, Jehovah Witness, come on LW only one has the fullness of truth pushing forth from the Reformation and follows the Commandments and has the testimony of Jesus.
Birdman

Arthur, IL

#17 Dec 4, 2011
Remnant:

Scripture does NOT MENTION any denomination.

REMNANT=what is left over

God has always had a Remnant.

The Remnant in Scripture are those who are serious about God.

"Even so then AT THIS PRESENT TIME also there is a Remnant according to the election of Grace."

"So WE, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."
Earburner

Lowell, MA

#18 Dec 4, 2011
Hobie wrote:
While the universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Jesus Christ, God has called a remnant to proclaim a special message in these last days of widespread confusion. It lives and proclaims the gospel of salvation in Jesus; obedience to the Ten Commandments, including the seventh-day Sabbath; maintains a distinct and strong identity; understands its role prophetically; and is on a mission to resist the dragon and spread the gospel to the entire world.
This is who God’s end-time remnant are.
Hobie,
Rom. 11[2] God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew....
[5] Even so then at this PRESENT time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rev. 7[4] And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Which tribe of Israel are you of?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#19 Dec 4, 2011
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text>
Hobie,
Rom. 11[2] God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew....
[5] Even so then at this PRESENT time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rev. 7[4] And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Which tribe of Israel are you of?
Judah
chris

La Crescenta, CA

#20 Dec 4, 2011
The remnant remainder of Jews after the 3rd holocost coming to Israel will be th remnant 144t thousand acording
to Zech 12 vs 10. The Sabbath was given to the Jews
Exodus 31, The commandments were given to the Jew by Moses these are the people Rev is referring to.

The Adventist are part of the chuch birthed at the cross
and are one with all christianity as told by Jesus in John 17. They are not the remanat. You were taught wrong.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#21 Dec 4, 2011
Birdman wrote:
Remnant:
Scripture does NOT MENTION any denomination.
REMNANT=what is left over
God has always had a Remnant.
The Remnant in Scripture are those who are serious about God.
"Even so then AT THIS PRESENT TIME also there is a Remnant according to the election of Grace."
"So WE, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."
Its ironic isnt it

Turkey Bacon is a denier of 1844 and then lo and behold aligns with the SDA church

Evidently whom Bird beleives the SDA are the remnant and apparently are "serious about God" [while God specifies them as Laodicea - neither hot nor cold] and Bird is saying the SDA church is the remnant.

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