The Third Kingdom
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TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#1 Feb 17, 2013
Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

There are FIVE parts to this puzzle. The first part and the last part have been revealed.

Who can solve any of the other?

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The Second Kingdom.

The Third Kingdom.

The Fourth Kingdom.

The Third Kingdom. Which shall bear rule over all the earth.

What Kingdom has ever rule over all the earth?

At this point in time I am incline to believe that this Third Kingdom has not yet taken place upon the Earth.

I am not aware of any Kingdom that has ruled the whole Earth at any point in time as of yet.

Are any of you?

This pretty much proves that all those people out there in the world claiming that Jesus's return is in this generation and the tribulation and the rapture and the mark of the beast and all the other various interpretations of the prophecies of the end of times and the book of Daniel and Revelation are in this generation.....

IS INCORRECT.

Because not only has the Fourth Kingdom not yet come to pass on Earth.

Neither has the Third Kingdom as spoke of in the Book of Daniel.
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#2 Feb 17, 2013
If this is not so...then I challenge anyone on all the Earth to tell me which Kingdom ruled the whole Earth?
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#3 Feb 17, 2013
There has been No Kingdom that has ruled the whole Earth as according to the words of the Prophet Daniel in the Book of Daniel.

I do not care about what if's or theologies or commentaries or well it could have been this or it could have been that or all the other myths and wives tales that I have read and heard.

and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

which shall bear rule over all the earth.

That is what I want to know.

What Kingdom has already ruled the whole Earth?
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#4 Feb 17, 2013
One Kingdom with 1 King. That is over all the land and water of the Earth.
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#5 Feb 17, 2013
The Third Kingdom and the Fourth Kingdom are yet to come upon Earth.

That without a doubt proves that Jesus returning is a very very very very long way off on the time scale of the Earth rotations around the Sun.

And all these Book of Revelation interpreters and the Book of Daniel interpreters that we see every where saying all these things that are just not so. Are not hearing from God.

That is all there is to it. Whether you or anyone else will accept it or not does not and will not change the fact that...THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A KINGDOM THAT HAS RULED THE WHOLE EARTH.
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#6 Feb 17, 2013
Back in the day of Daniel. A kingdom had a King.

And if this Kingdom ruled over your Nation.

You obeyed their laws.

And their King was your King or over your King.

And you paid TAXES to the treasury of that King.

That was King of the Kingdom that ruled over your Nation.
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#7 Feb 17, 2013
Now I know and understand that this is almost impossible to accept now days as to all the Revelation and Daniel and the end of age and the number of the beast interpreters that be interpreting every drop of rain that falls from heaven. So you do this....GO FIND ANYONE ON ALL THE EARTH. Who can prove when and where and who was the THIRD KINGDOM.

Tell them to come here and discuss it with me. I will prove them right or I will prove them wrong.

EITHER WAY.

Then you will for sure know the truth.
Klink

Kazakhstan

#8 Feb 17, 2013

You've been reading again and got yourself all confused.

Dn 2, 7 & 8 all go together expanding upon these kingdoms. We are given the Greek Empire in chapter 8..

21 "And the rough goat is the king of Grecia"

and that's who followed the Persians.

now about the earth here we are not referring to the entire earth rather like the brass statue this is a symbol of the earth-empire's territory.

Early Christians were most all historicist. William Miller was one such historicist who presents the common view of the symbolic 'earth':

"This first vial was poured upon the earth, meaning the kingdom of the beast or the Roman government." (William Miller, Lecture XV, the Seven Vials)

According to Miller, and other historicists of the time, the symbolic 'earth' is the Roman earth of Daniel 2's Roman legs of iron, the region of all Bible prophecy. The earth beast is from the Roman earth-territory.

Notice the difference in 'earth' and 'world':

16:14 "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth to the kings of the earth and of the whole world,"

The kings of the Roman empire at this point rule the whole world.

These four empires should be a non-issue but still some try and change long understood Bible truth.

The Four Kingdoms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_kingdoms_of...
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#9 Feb 17, 2013
Klink wrote:
You've been reading again and got yourself all confused.
Dn 2, 7 & 8 all go together expanding upon these kingdoms. We are given the Greek Empire in chapter 8..
21 "And the rough goat is the king of Grecia"
and that's who followed the Persians.
now about the earth here we are not referring to the entire earth rather like the brass statue this is a symbol of the earth-empire's territory.
Early Christians were most all historicist. William Miller was one such historicist who presents the common view of the symbolic 'earth':
"This first vial was poured upon the earth, meaning the kingdom of the beast or the Roman government." (William Miller, Lecture XV, the Seven Vials)
According to Miller, and other historicists of the time, the symbolic 'earth' is the Roman earth of Daniel 2's Roman legs of iron, the region of all Bible prophecy. The earth beast is from the Roman earth-territory.
Notice the difference in 'earth' and 'world':
16:14 "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth to the kings of the earth and of the whole world,"
The kings of the Roman empire at this point rule the whole world.
These four empires should be a non-issue but still some try and change long understood Bible truth.
The Four Kingdoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_kingdoms_of...
ALL THIS IS MEANINGLESS NONSENSE.

Tell me what Kingdom ruled over the whole Earth,

then prove it to us.
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#10 Feb 17, 2013
I do not care about what if's or theologies or commentaries or well it could have been this or it could have been that or all the other myths and wives tales that I have read and heard.

and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

which shall bear rule over all the earth.

That is what I want to know.

What Kingdom has already ruled the whole Earth?
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#11 Feb 18, 2013
ANSWER: The coming EARTHLY MILLENNIAL KINGDOM Jesus will set up.

Read all the red letters in Matthew and you will discover that was the MAIN MESSAGE OF JESUS!

No such thing as RAPTURE!
Gerhard Ebersoehn

Boksburg, South Africa

#12 Feb 18, 2013
TheWiseMan wrote:
The Third Kingdom and the Fourth Kingdom are yet to come upon Earth.
That without a doubt proves that Jesus returning is a very very very very long way off on the time scale of the Earth rotations around the Sun.
And all these Book of Revelation interpreters and the Book of Daniel interpreters that we see every where saying all these things that are just not so. Are not hearing from God.
That is all there is to it. Whether you or anyone else will accept it or not does not and will not change the fact that...THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A KINGDOM THAT HAS RULED THE WHOLE EARTH.
Jesus Christ TRIUMPHED in it that He WON back the Kingdom of his Father which He had entrusted to Adam and Eve - which they again, bartered away for the devil's beguiling a bite of the big apple a piece the price.

Christ's Kingdom has ruled the world ever since as it has ruled all dominions and powers and might and principalities and EVERY name of importance not only in this world, but also, IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME.

So you are terribly mistaken, poor man. The acrid reality is He will return when He is not, expected. You do not expect Christ to came again soon; Beware!
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#13 Feb 18, 2013
Debbie Reid wrote:
ANSWER: The coming EARTHLY MILLENNIAL KINGDOM Jesus will set up.
Read all the red letters in Matthew and you will discover that was the MAIN MESSAGE OF JESUS!
No such thing as RAPTURE!
How so...THE THIRD KINGDOM HAS NOT BEEN ON EARTH AS OF YET.

Then the Fourth has to come.

Then the Kingdom of Jesus.
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#14 Feb 18, 2013
Gerhard Ebersoehn wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus Christ TRIUMPHED in it that He WON back the Kingdom of his Father which He had entrusted to Adam and Eve - which they again, bartered away for the devil's beguiling a bite of the big apple a piece the price.
Christ's Kingdom has ruled the world ever since as it has ruled all dominions and powers and might and principalities and EVERY name of importance not only in this world, but also, IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME.
So you are terribly mistaken, poor man. The acrid reality is He will return when He is not, expected. You do not expect Christ to came again soon; Beware!
This is all incorrect. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING TRUE.

THE THIRD KINGDOM AND THE FOURTH KINGDOM HAS YET BEEN ON EARTH.

And right now all the Christians are saying he is coming back right now in this generation.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#15 Feb 19, 2013
TheWiseMan wrote:
<quoted text>
This is all incorrect. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING TRUE.
THE THIRD KINGDOM AND THE FOURTH KINGDOM HAS YET BEEN ON EARTH.
And right now all the Christians are saying he is coming back right now in this generation.
It's not all Christians that are saying he is coming back right now in this generation. Christians say Christ if He would CAN return NOW, this instant, or tonight, or whenever HE WILLED.

You really think two earthly kingdoms can prevent Christ from coming again any time He wants? Have you read the Scripture where Jesus said to someone something like He could call one angel to throw a spanner in the poor man's gearbox?
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#16 Feb 19, 2013
TheWiseMan wrote:
Now I know and understand that this is almost impossible to accept now days as to all the Revelation and Daniel and the end of age and the number of the beast interpreters that be interpreting every drop of rain that falls from heaven. So you do this....GO FIND ANYONE ON ALL THE EARTH. Who can prove when and where and who was the THIRD KINGDOM.
Tell them to come here and discuss it with me. I will prove them right or I will prove them wrong.
EITHER WAY.
Then you will for sure know the truth.
You are very conceited, you know?

Conceitedness is not a good persuader.

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

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#17 Feb 19, 2013
2:31-45 This image represented the kingdoms of the earth, that should successively rule the nations, and influence the affairs of the Jewish church. 1. The head of gold signified the Chaldean empire, then in being. 2. The breast and arms of silver signified the empire of the Medes and Persians. 3. The belly and thighs of brass signified the Grecian empire, founded by Alexander. 4. The legs and feet of iron signified the Roman empire. The Roman empire branched into ten kingdoms, as the toes of these feet. Some were weak as clay, others strong as iron. Endeavours have often been used to unite them, for strengthening the empire, but in vain. The stone cut out without hands, represented the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ, which should be set up in the kingdoms of the world, upon the ruins of Satan's kingdom in them. This was the Stone which the builders refused, because it was not cut out by their hands, but it is become the head stone of the corner. Of the increase of Christ's government and peace there shall be no end. The Lord shall reign, not only to the end of time, but when time and days shall be no more. As far as events have gone, the fulfilling this prophetic vision has been most exact and undeniable; future ages shall witness this Stone destroying the image, and filling the whole earth.

bibleuniverse
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#18 Feb 19, 2013
Gerhard Ebersoehn wrote:
<quoted text>
You are very conceited, you know?
Conceitedness is not a good persuader.
You are demon possessed.
TheWiseMan

San Antonio, TX

#19 Feb 19, 2013
Signs of the Times wrote:
2:31-45 This image represented the kingdoms of the earth, that should successively rule the nations, and influence the affairs of the Jewish church. 1. The head of gold signified the Chaldean empire, then in being. 2. The breast and arms of silver signified the empire of the Medes and Persians. 3. The belly and thighs of brass signified the Grecian empire, founded by Alexander. 4. The legs and feet of iron signified the Roman empire. The Roman empire branched into ten kingdoms, as the toes of these feet. Some were weak as clay, others strong as iron. Endeavours have often been used to unite them, for strengthening the empire, but in vain. The stone cut out without hands, represented the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ, which should be set up in the kingdoms of the world, upon the ruins of Satan's kingdom in them. This was the Stone which the builders refused, because it was not cut out by their hands, but it is become the head stone of the corner. Of the increase of Christ's government and peace there shall be no end. The Lord shall reign, not only to the end of time, but when time and days shall be no more. As far as events have gone, the fulfilling this prophetic vision has been most exact and undeniable; future ages shall witness this Stone destroying the image, and filling the whole earth.
bibleuniverse
This is mostly all incorrect. Alexander the great did not rule the whole Earth.

And we do not live under the Roman empire.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

Uitenhage, South Africa

#20 Feb 19, 2013
Signs of the Times wrote:
2:31-45 This image represented the kingdoms of the earth, that should successively rule the nations, and influence the affairs of the Jewish church. 1. The head of gold signified the Chaldean empire, then in being. 2. The breast and arms of silver signified the empire of the Medes and Persians. 3. The belly and thighs of brass signified the Grecian empire, founded by Alexander. 4. The legs and feet of iron signified the Roman empire. The Roman empire branched into ten kingdoms, as the toes of these feet. Some were weak as clay, others strong as iron. Endeavours have often been used to unite them, for strengthening the empire, but in vain. The stone cut out without hands, represented the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ, which should be set up in the kingdoms of the world, upon the ruins of Satan's kingdom in them. This was the Stone which the builders refused, because it was not cut out by their hands, but it is become the head stone of the corner. Of the increase of Christ's government and peace there shall be no end. The Lord shall reign, not only to the end of time, but when time and days shall be no more. As far as events have gone, the fulfilling this prophetic vision has been most exact and undeniable; future ages shall witness this Stone destroying the image, and filling the whole earth.
bibleuniverse
Amen. To the truth stated as here, I say Amen!
I shall not be scared by the judges of this world to date the beginning of this Kingdom of Jesus Christ, even "THIS The First Resurrection". I shall tell you, you deaf and blind leaders and teachers of the blind and deaf! Christ's Kingdom HAD BEGUN on the sixteenth day of the First Month on which the "Sanctuary was finished being cleansed". "ON THE SABBATH DAY" that the Son of God the Son of Man ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND "IN IT TRIUMPHED!"

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