Gerhard Ebersoehns

South Africa

#1104 Dec 12, 2012
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text> Because Jesus kept and fufilled the Law, all the Law, He alone has acheived the righteousness of God.
A __false__'GOSPEL'!!!

Jesus did not,'achieve', righteousness. "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" __IS__ The Righteousness-of-GOD. He,'achieved righteousness' FOR HIS OWN, OTHER THEN HIMSELF.
Gerhard Ebersoehns

South Africa

#1105 Dec 12, 2012
Correction :

"... OTHER _THAN_ HIMSELF."
Gerhard Ebersoehns

South Africa

#1106 Dec 12, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said.
We are saved and being grateful for such salvation, we do always those things which please God. We keep His Ten Commandments, written on our hearts, in accordance with His will for our own peace, safety and happiness with Him.
Come on!

To be frank, you do not "keep His Ten Commandments, written on our hearts", you FOLLOW AND LOVE AND THINK AND WORSHIP AND ENJOY JESUS CHRIST!

Be honest, you never even THINK 'the Ten Commandments'?! You think Jesus Christ!

Not true?!

Of course it's true!

Sure, the TC will never clash with the conscience of the born-again believer. But that is not the burning desire in or of the heart. What matters is the LIVING CHRIST AND GOD AND SPIRIT OF GOD ABOVE AND EVERYWHERE AND EVEN IN THE HEART.
Gerhard Ebersoehns

South Africa

#1107 Dec 12, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said!
Therefore it is necessary for the Law to persist in the heart that it may be a constant reminder of what to do (remembering to keep the Sabbath day holy, for example) and what not to do (bearing false witness). It becomes second nature to those who believe and they keep the Ten Commandments effortlessly as they mature in the faith.
That is self-deception.

If not self-deception, it's much worse: Blasphemous boasting and LYING __WHILE__ you say it's "second nature to those who believe and keep the Ten Commandments".
Gerhard Ebersoehns

South Africa

#1108 Dec 12, 2012
Earburner wrote:
BoWing,
So as not to repeat myself, my understanding of the difference between the Old covenant and the NEW covenant, is in my latest post to Blackberry. In it you will find ALL that you need to know concerning tha topic. Please STUDY it and the ENTIRE book of Romans, for surely, with God's guidance through prayer, all your questions and/or controversies will be answered.
EB
Earburner, do yourself a favour and read Lloyd-Jones' commentary on Romans.
Gerhard Ebersoehns

South Africa

#1109 Dec 12, 2012
I haven't ... it will take anyone a lifetime just to read what that man wrote. But I have a clue what Lloyd-Jones' faith entails, and it is vastly different than yours ... and preferable.
Pioneer

Fountain Hills, AZ

#1110 Dec 12, 2012
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not what NT scripture says OF WHY God wrote His Law in the hearts of the unsaved Gentiles. Here is the reason why:
Rom. 3[19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped (shut up), and all the world (every person) may become guilty (condemned) before God.
[20] Therefore by the deeds (keeping) of the law there shall no flesh be justified (made righteous) in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge (comprehension) of sin (wilful disobedience and self righteousness).
Now you can know why I previously quoted John 3:17-18. Everyone IS ALREADY CONDEMNED (guilty).
However, the ultimate reason of why God placed the entire world in condemnation by the Law was to interject into our affairs and introduce us to His righteousness, which was accomplished and manifested WITHOUT, APART from the Law, by the faith of His Son Jesus Christ. So, to keep the Law (our form of righteousness) is to dwell under condemnation and death, but to have faith in Jesus Christ (God's form of righteousness) is peace and eternal life.
Rom. 3:21-27
So do you say yippie everyday you awaken because you just claim Jesus Christ and can break all the laws of God because you are now under Christ and his blood covers any and all sins you commit. Go and commit adultery, steal, kill, and of course your free to take Gods name in vain whenever you are under attack for whatever reads ad of course you can do your ow pleasure ever day especially on the 4th of the Lord of the Sabbath day.

Bet you get a lot of converts to you man made religion!

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass,[that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.


THE VULTURES WILL BE PICKING YOUR EYES OUT AT CHRIST'S SECOND COMING.
Pioneer

Fountain Hills, AZ

#1111 Dec 12, 2012
Gerhard Ebersoehns wrote:
I haven't ... it will take anyone a lifetime just to read what that man wrote. But I have a clue what Lloyd-Jones' faith entails, and it is vastly different than yours ... and preferable.
There is no secret clues to the truth of Romans only the gift from God for the blessing to those who are his.

WITH THE PROMISE OF WISDOM KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT GOD PROMISES TO EVERYONE THAT FOLLOWS HIM BY FAITH IN TRUTH DOESN'T HAVE ANY DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING ROMANS DO BUT EARBURNER CANNOT FIGURE THAT OUT , THAT IS OBVIOUS.
Pioneer

Fountain Hills, AZ

#1112 Dec 12, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
The thief on the cross produced good works (fruit).
In public he openly confessed his faith in Jesus. In public He witnessed to those that stood around the cross about Jesus. In public he tried to convert the other thief by witnessing what Jesus had done for him.
Matthew 10:32
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
sitkahappy, The thief on the cross was the example for all those who have a true and sincere death bed confession it does not matter who is there to hear the example was that even they can be saved who do not have time for the fruits change of the heart which can take a life time or done in a moment if it is true sincere and only God can know if it is sincere or just done out of fear for what is about to happen to them, to be cast into outer darkness, lost forever.
Pioneer

Fountain Hills, AZ

#1113 Dec 12, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
You have "discerning abilities". Okay, fine. So exactly where in the verses you posted does it say this gives you the power to determine who is righteous, who is lost, and that you are supposed to tell them that?
It is not in the verses Earburner supplied. Not a surprise because he does not know his Bible like he thinks he does, but it is elsewhere. In the Following...

EZEK. Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.


3:20 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous [man], that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Pioneer

Fountain Hills, AZ

#1114 Dec 12, 2012
I will post in caps between the texts below.
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text>
BoWing, What Paul wrote and I quoted is testimony to the fulfillment of the following through Jesus:

[THE SO CALLED OLD COVENANT THAT WAS THE EARTHLY SANCTUARY WITH AN EARTHLY HIGH PRIEST PRESIDING]

Jer.31
[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Heb.8
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

[STILL SHOWING THAT THE OLD COVENANT WAS THE EARTHLY SANCTUARY WITH AN EARTHLY PRIEST AND A LITERAL LAMB SACRIFICE]

Heb.12
[24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
You do not have a clue.
Earburner

United States

#1115 Dec 12, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 8:3,4
'For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.'
Paul says Jesus came to condemn sin, not the ten commandments. Jesus wants to remove iniquity from your heart so He can fulfill the law in it...so you can enter the kingdom of God when He comes back.
You are close, but no veggies!!
The righteousness of the Law (God's righteousness) has been accomplised, acheived, fulfilled, completed (past tense) by Jesus. Therefore God is not interested in what you acheive through the Law. Yours IS NOT acceptable AT ALL.. Instead of yours, God is FREELY offering (nothing for you to acheive) to you His righteousness WITHOUT the Law, through faith.
Pioneer

Fountain Hills, AZ

#1117 Dec 12, 2012
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text> Since the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD is APART from the Law, HOW is one declared righteous? Rom. Ch.3

You obviously don't have a clue by the Faith of Jesus by Grace By Christ righteousness,... 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?[Is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance?(I speak as a man)
3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

1 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.

9:14 What shall we say then?[Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God?

God forbid:

for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin,

that the promise

by faith of Jesus Christ

might be

given to

them that believe.
Earburner

United States

#1118 Dec 12, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
I will post in caps between the texts below.
<quoted text>
You do not have a clue.
Oh but I do have clue! The clue is, you started to go somewhere and then didn't know how to conclude your thought, but I DO.

So, what about Heb. 12:24? Please finish. You may very well find that is you who is clueless.
Earburner

United States

#1119 Dec 12, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>
So do you say yippie everyday you awaken because you just claim Jesus Christ and can break all the laws of God because you are now under Christ and his blood covers any and all sins you commit. Go and commit adultery, steal, kill, and of course your free to take Gods name in vain whenever you are under attack for whatever reads ad of course you can do your ow pleasure ever day especially on the 4th of the Lord of the Sabbath day.
Bet you get a lot of converts to you man made religion!
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass,[that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
THE VULTURES WILL BE PICKING YOUR EYES OUT AT CHRIST'S SECOND COMING.
YES, we all have freedom to be sinful, not because of the law, but rather because we are already condemned, sinful to our very bones. We all are "Bad To The Bone". Even equally so, for all of your Law keeping, YOUR righteousness is "BTTB"!!! That's WHY Jesus is called Savior and not an employee of "XEROX". You can't copy Him, though you try (work for it). Your type of faith is vain and destitute of His righteousness. Again I tell you, his righteousness is A GIFT!
Earburner

United States

#1121 Dec 12, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not in the verses Earburner supplied. Not a surprise because he does not know his Bible like he thinks he does, but it is elsewhere.
Blind as usual! Here, I'll get it for you: 1 Cor. 2[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Earburner

United States

#1122 Dec 12, 2012
To all SDAs,
I won't be around here to much for the next two weeks. I will be working around the clock. I probably will barely have enough time to sleep, so I won't even find enough time to rest.

What I mean is, my Birthday is coming up, and at the moment, I just don't have enough money to PAY people who are GIVING me a GIFT. Just wanted you to know that I don't receive any gifts for FREE, even if God GAVE me a FREE GIFT, I would want to give Him payment also. Maybe if I obey the 10C Law as my equal PAYMENT for His GIFT! That's a fair trade, right? How do you think He would feel about that? Yeah, I know! His Son PAID a terrible price for His GIFT to me! He won't be offended, will He?

I'll tell you what, I'm going to WAIT for Him to SHOW UP, then I'll make the offer for trade. I hope he will like what I HAVE TO OFFER!
Mat. 25[10] And while they (five foolish) went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Earburner

United States

#1123 Dec 12, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text> Since the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD is APART from the Law, HOW is one declared righteous? Rom. Ch.3
You obviously don't have a clue by the Faith of Jesus by Grace By Christ righteousness,... 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?[Is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance?(I speak as a man)
3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
1 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
9:14 What shall we say then?[Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God?
God forbid:
for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin,
that the promise
by faith of Jesus Christ
might be
given to
them that believe.
What was the promise GIVEN, to us who believe, and WHEN?
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#1124 Dec 12, 2012
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text>
What was the promise GIVEN, to us who believe, and WHEN?
Eternal life.

"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city." (Rev. 22:14)
sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#1125 Dec 12, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not in the verses Earburner supplied. Not a surprise because he does not know his Bible like he thinks he does, but it is elsewhere. In the Following...
EZEK. Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
3:20 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous [man], that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
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