Was the Sabbath kept before God gave ...
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#21 Jul 13, 2013
Gabriella wrote:
I think we all know that it isn't about a day, but it's a commandment given by God and we're to obey, so be it.
We have so many examples of God's law being in full effect before Mt. Sinai, so it's quite evident that the Ten Commandments already existed.
The greatest example we have regarding Sabbath keeping comes from God. Note...He wasn't an Israelite. When God first introduced the seventh day Sabbath and rested on that very day, it became the ultimate example and is sufficient instruction for us to keep it as well.
Would you then please support your belief, help us...ok

The 4th commandment issued to Israel was a Covenant Ex 31:16

Where does God issue this Covenant for a Christian to keep?

Remember, God states thru His inspired Word;

Do not go beyond what is written 1 Cor 4:6

Thus, please present what is written, what is commanded for the Christian to obey.

Thank s Gab
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#22 Jul 13, 2013
Sorry Gab,

I meant, please present God issuing a Sabbath Covenant just like He did for Israel,

the written commandment, to obey in the gospel,

NOT all that God commands for a Christian

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#23 Jul 13, 2013
Genesis 2:1-3 (HCSB)

1 So the heavens and the earth and everything in them were completed.

2 By the seventh day (singular) God completed His work that He had done, and He rested on the seventh day (singular, "day," NOT "dayS") from all His work that He had done.

3 God blessed the (singular) seventh day and declared it (singular) holy, for on it (singular) He rested from His work of creation.
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#24 Jul 13, 2013
Shadrach wrote:
Sorry Gab,
I meant, please present God issuing a Sabbath Covenant just like He did for Israel,
the written commandment, to obey in the gospel,
NOT all that God commands for a Christian
Hi Shadrach :)

Within the very fourth commandment, God commanded that even the strangers within your gates were to keep the Sabbath holy…strangers meaning non-Israelites. Clearly the Sabbath isn’t a commandment just for the Israelites. Please read the following passages…

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. In it you shall do no work: you…nor your stranger who is within your gates.” Exodus 20:8, 10

In Isaiah 56, not only does God clearly command that the foreigner (non-Israelite) will be rewarded for keeping the Sabbath, but “everyone” who keeps it holy will be rewarded. Please read the following passages…

“For thus says the Lord: Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant—Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer.” Isaiah 56:4, 6, 7

Again, according to the above passage, even a non-Israelite was commanded to keep the Sabbath (God’s covenant) and was then blessed with God’s great reward. On the other hand, if the non-Israelite didn’t keep it, he was guilty of defiling it…not good for that non-Israelite.

The scriptures are clear.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#25 Jul 13, 2013
Gabriella wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Shadrach :)
Within the very fourth commandment, God commanded that even the strangers within your gates were to keep the Sabbath holy…strangers meaning non-Israelites. Clearly the Sabbath isn’t a commandment just for the Israelites. Please read the following passages…
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. In it you shall do no work: you…nor your stranger who is within your gates.” Exodus 20:8, 10
In Isaiah 56, not only does God clearly command that the foreigner (non-Israelite) will be rewarded for keeping the Sabbath, but “everyone” who keeps it holy will be rewarded. Please read the following passages…
“For thus says the Lord: Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant—Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer.” Isaiah 56:4, 6, 7
Again, according to the above passage, even a non-Israelite was commanded to keep the Sabbath (God’s covenant) and was then blessed with God’s great reward. On the other hand, if the non-Israelite didn’t keep it, he was guilty of defiling it…not good for that non-Israelite.
The scriptures are clear.
Gabi, those non Israelite's who wanted to keep the Israeli Sabbath were "Proselyte's" those who wanted to CONVERTED to Israel

moreover, God clearly tells us He gave this Law to no other people on the face of the earth.....He did not give this law to any Gentile Nation

Deut 7:6,7 Ps 147:19,20

for this law was to separate them from all the Gentiles Ex 31:13
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#26 Jul 13, 2013
GrammyJoanne wrote:
Genesis 2:1-3 (HCSB)
1 So the heavens and the earth and everything in them were completed.
2 By the seventh day (singular) God completed His work that He had done, and He rested on the seventh day (singular, "day," NOT "dayS") from all His work that He had done.
3 God blessed the (singular) seventh day and declared it (singular) holy, for on it (singular) He rested from His work of creation.
Hmm, where does it say seventh *days* when it’s referring to the Sabbath?

When referring to the seventh day Sabbath it’s always singular. Please read the following passage, Exodus 20:11…

“For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the (singular) seventh day (singular). Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day (singular) and hallowed it (singular).”(Emphasis added)

Exodus 20:11 (Ten Commandments) resonates with Genesis 2:1-3. The Israelites knew quite well that *every* seventh day was a holy day…the Sabbath.

;)
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#27 Jul 13, 2013
Gabi, if you will, read this and let me know what you think ....thanks

In Israeli the Law , the Israeli Sabbath Covenant Ex 31:16 pointed to the "Menuchah" through Christ

the "MENUCHAH" which is the meaning of the word "rest" in the verse which comes from Ps 95:11

is Gods resting place ,

the 7th day points to the
"MENUCHAH"

Old Testament Hebrew
Entry for Strong's #4496 - &#1502;&#1456;&#15 04;&#1467;&#1495;& #1464;&#1492;
Transliteration:
menu&#770;cha&#770;h, menu&#770;cha&#770;h
Phonetics:
men-oo-khaw', men-oo-khaw'
Word Origin:
from (04495)
Parts of Speech:
Noun Feminine
TWOT:
1323f

Word Definition [ Brown-Drivers-Briggs'| Strong's ]
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Definition

resting place, rest
resting place
rest, quietness

Greek Equivalent Words:
Strong #: 2663 &#8209; &#954;&#945;&#964; &#940;&#960;&#945; &#965;&#963;&#953; &#962; (kat&#8209;ap'&#8209;o w&#8209;sis);

God swore in His wrath those during Joshua day would not enter His "menuchah", resting PLACE

because they did not have faith Heb 3:19

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and in the place of the 7th day they shall not enter His "menuchah" read Heb 4:4, 5

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. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’”

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way:“And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place:“They shall not enter My rest.”

this is what Heb 4 is declaring....entering Gods eternal rest when one accepts Christ TODAY

for the person who accepts Christ has ENTERED Gods rest Heb 4:10

and this person keeps the faith and looks forward to the promise of verse 1 the menuchah or God calls this keeping ...a Sabbatismo

and here is the commandment for those who know the true Jesus;

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,

15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen 1 Tim 6

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Conclusion: When God rested the 7th day, it pointed to His resting place the "Menuchah" for those who by FAITH have accepted His Son. Heb 4:4,5

and

10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His
Heb 4

This promise is what the Christian look for

called........The Sabbatismo Heb 4:10

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#28 Jul 13, 2013
Gabriella wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmm, where does it say seventh *days* when it’s referring to the Sabbath?
When referring to the seventh day Sabbath it’s always singular. Please read the following passage, Exodus 20:11…
“For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the (singular) seventh day (singular). Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day (singular) and hallowed it (singular).”(Emphasis added)
Exodus 20:11 (Ten Commandments) resonates with Genesis 2:1-3. The Israelites knew quite well that *every* seventh day was a holy day…the Sabbath.
;)
If you're looking at it through Adventist-influenced eyes.
Diane

Encinitas, CA

#29 Jul 13, 2013
Gab, God's resting place was the seventh day of creation made forever into eternity. He rested. The 7th day given to the Jews only, is not a eternal rest. We do not enter the Jewish Sabbath day. We enter God's rest forever. It is called the "menuchah". Meaning God's resting Place. Those who believe in God enter God's rest forever. Just think about it. Hope this helps .
Doubting Thomas

Vancouver, WA

#30 Jul 13, 2013
GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>Wow - We actually agree on something, Pioneer! Mark this day on the calendar - it may never happen again!!! C'mon people - It ISN'T about A DAY, but about the Savior and worshiping Him!
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Hello GrammyJoanne, how do we worship God, is it by what we say or what we do? Does God want obedience or platitudes?
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GrammyJoanne in old testament times Isreal worshiped God with burnt offerings and sacrifices.
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1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
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Doubting Thomas

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#31 Jul 13, 2013
Doubting Thomas wrote:
<quoted text>
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Hello GrammyJoanne, how do we worship God, is it by what we say or what we do? Does God want obedience or platitudes? WE WORSHIP BOTH IN WORD AND BY WHAT WE DO! HE ASKS US TO WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.
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GrammyJoanne in old testament times Isreal worshiped God with burnt offerings and sacrifices. NO LONGER REQUIRED.
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1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. YOU ARE REFERRING, OF COURSE, TO SABBATHKEEPING, WHICH (AS YOU KNOW) I DO NOT BELIEVE IS REQUIRED ANY LONGER.
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Doubting Thomas
My response is IN ALL CAPS embedded into your post.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#32 Jul 13, 2013
Doubting Thomas wrote:
<quoted text>
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Hello GrammyJoanne, how do we worship God, is it by what we say or what we do? Does God want obedience or platitudes?
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GrammyJoanne in old testament times Isreal worshiped God with burnt offerings and sacrifices.
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1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
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Doubting Thomas
DT.......you are wrong

please start reading your Bible, yes it is what we say and what we do

The New Covenant in NOT according to the Old

The Christians Worship

The sacrifice of Praise

15 Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name. 16 But do not forget to do good and to share, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased. Heb 13
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#33 Jul 13, 2013
Shadrach wrote:
Gabi, if you will, read this and let me know what you think ....thanks
Shadrach, thank you for your post, but, with all due respect, I disagree.

There’s no biblical evidence to support your statement regarding the conversion from a non-Israelite to an Israelite. The commandment (Exo 20:8-11) specifically states “your stranger who is within your gates” had to keep the Sabbath…that was the law.

The book of Hebrews chapters 3 and 4 isn’t negating the Sabbath commandment in any form. We’re warned not to be like the Israelites in regards to their blatant disobedience and disbelief. How did the Israelites demonstrate their lack of faith? Disobedience.“And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.” Hebrews 3:18, 19

In Hebrews 4:11 it states,“Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.” Disobedience to what? God’s commandments, of course. If we're disobedient to God's commandments we will be following their example. When we obey God’s commandments we are demonstrating our love and faith,“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?” 1 John 5:3-5.

Again, there’s nothing in the preliminary chapters that negate the Sabbath commandment.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#34 Jul 14, 2013
Gabriella wrote:
<quoted text>
Shadrach, thank you for your post, but, with all due respect, I disagree.
There’s no biblical evidence to support your statement regarding the conversion from a non-Israelite to an Israelite. The commandment (Exo 20:8-11) specifically states “your stranger who is within your gates” had to keep the Sabbath…that was the law.
The book of Hebrews chapters 3 and 4 isn’t negating the Sabbath commandment in any form. We’re warned not to be like the Israelites in regards to their blatant disobedience and disbelief. How did the Israelites demonstrate their lack of faith? Disobedience.“And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.” Hebrews 3:18, 19
In Hebrews 4:11 it states,“Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.” Disobedience to what? God’s commandments, of course. If we're disobedient to God's commandments we will be following their example. When we obey God’s commandments we are demonstrating our love and faith,“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?” 1 John 5:3-5.
Again, there’s nothing in the preliminary chapters that negate the Sabbath commandment.
AMEN, but SHADRACH and GRANNY have a hatred for the Fourth C.

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#35 Jul 14, 2013
birdman wrote:
<quoted text>
AMEN, but SHADRACH and GRANNY have a hatred for the Fourth C.
We wouldn't waste the energy on hating something that is no longer an issue.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#36 Jul 14, 2013
GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>We wouldn't waste the energy on hating something that is no longer an issue.
YOUR POSTS show the HATRED for the Law and GOD.
Jesus Christ Is My Lord

Mumbai, India

#37 Jul 14, 2013
Gabriella WROTE:
Hmm, where does it say seventh *days* when it’s referring to the Sabbath?
When referring to the seventh day Sabbath it’s always singular.

MY REPLY:

Dear Gabriella,

Matthew 12:5

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days (Plural) the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Matthew 12:12

How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days (Plural).

Praise The Lord.
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#38 Jul 14, 2013
Jesus Christ Is My Lord wrote:
Gabriella WROTE:
Hmm, where does it say seventh *days* when it’s referring to the Sabbath?
When referring to the seventh day Sabbath it’s always singular.
MY REPLY:
Dear Gabriella,
Matthew 12:5
Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days (Plural) the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Matthew 12:12
How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days (Plural).
Praise The Lord.
Yes! Praise the Lord :)

Thank you for that, but I was attempting to make a point that the *seventh day* Sabbath is always singular. The bible doesn't make any reference to *seventh days*(plural) regarding the Sabbath.
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#39 Jul 14, 2013
Diane wrote:
Gab, God's resting place was the seventh day of creation made forever into eternity. He rested. The 7th day given to the Jews only, is not a eternal rest. We do not enter the Jewish Sabbath day. We enter God's rest forever. It is called the "menuchah". Meaning God's resting Place. Those who believe in God enter God's rest forever. Just think about it. Hope this helps .
Hi Diane :)

I understand.

How do we enter God's rest? Hebrews 4:11 spells it out for us...“Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience."

Clearly, we do the opposite of what the Israelites did...obey and believe. In Hebrews 3 and 4, we clearly read that they were charged with disobedience and disbelief. That's what kept them from entering God's rest. What did they disobey? God's commandments.

We enter God's rest with obedience and belief. Again, those chapters do not in any way, shape or form negate the Sabbath commandment. It's still in full effect.

Let me ask you, please...how does keeping the Sabbath, a day that God commanded to be holy and commanded that it set us apart as His people, keep us from entering His rest?
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#40 Jul 14, 2013
Gabriella wrote:
<quoted text>
Shadrach, thank you for your post, but, with all due respect, I disagree.
There’s no biblical evidence to support your statement regarding the conversion from a non-Israelite to an Israelite. The commandment (Exo 20:8-11) specifically states “your stranger who is within your gates” had to keep the Sabbath…that was the law.
The book of Hebrews chapters 3 and 4 isn’t negating the Sabbath commandment in any form. We’re warned not to be like the Israelites in regards to their blatant disobedience and disbelief. How did the Israelites demonstrate their lack of faith? Disobedience.“And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.” Hebrews 3:18, 19
In Hebrews 4:11 it states,“Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.” Disobedience to what? God’s commandments, of course. If we're disobedient to God's commandments we will be following their example. When we obey God’s commandments we are demonstrating our love and faith,“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?” 1 John 5:3-5.
Again, there’s nothing in the preliminary chapters that negate the Sabbath commandment.
Hi Gabi,

before I fetch info on Proselytes , what have you done with Ps 147:19,20 Deut 7:6 Deut 4:8 in which God declares He gave the Ten C's to no other people on earth, Deut 4:13

I know you would declare God lying......

and where God declares a Israelite Sabbath Covenant Ex 31:16 was a sign in which the Israelite knew it was God who sanctified them

instead of Christ in who we know it is God who sanctifies us
1 Cor 1:2,30

You must choose one

What is it , that you know you are sanctified by God?

Is it by a Israeli Covenant

or Christ

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