Shadrach and Granny's problem
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birdman

Shelbyville, IL

#1 Nov 14, 2012
God gave out four differant Laws to the Israelites in the Old Testement.

1.The Ten commandments

2. The religious ceremonial laws.

3. The health laws.

4 The civil Laws.

The major problem is with the words "laws" "ordinances" and "covenant"

In the N.T. it seems that it is often not clear which "law" or "covenant" is being discussed.

But God shows a way to see.

A CONTRADICTION IS A LIE! If one thing is true and another disagrees with it, the second CAN NOT BE TRUE. IT MUST BE A LIE.

1 Titus 1:2 "God Who cannot LIE"

Heb. 6:18 "impossible for God to LIE"

Since it is "impossible" for God to lie and contradictions are lies there can be NO contradictions in the Bible.

Tim 3:16-17 the entire O.T. is applicable for us today.

Ps. 111:7-9 The 10 Commandments will stand forever. AMEN.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#2 Nov 14, 2012
Ahh, people, this is a very good example of how your minds have been programmed;

the bird here makes up his theology by declaring is own principles...FIRST

he creates a lie here by teaching;

God gave out four differant Laws to the Israelites in the Old Testement.

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What the bird is teaching is NOT TRUE , it is a lie

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God gave the Law, a COVENANT Deut 4:13 to Israel

Which consisted of ALL THAT GOD GAVE MOSES to give to Israel Ex 24:12

and Moses wrote in a Book, ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD, Ex 24:3 the judgements, commandments, whcih is the law

it is ONE COVENANT

called the Book of the Covenant Ex 24:7
or its called
the Book of the Law Deut 30:10

10 if you obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

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Now people, you have a choice, to follow what bird teaches.....lies without scripture.
bird, teaches God gave Israel 4 different laws

or

the truth, that God gave Israel

the Book of the Law, or COVENANT,

one Law or one COVENANT which contains;

ALL THAT GOD GAVE MOSES TO GIVE TO ISRAEL

The Ten C's
The Judgements
The statutes
The sacrificial Law
The Feasts

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moreover, here is another example of the truth
as Nehemiah presents the people reading all that was in the Book of the Law....one law God gave Israel

17 So the whole assembly of those who had returned from the captivity made booths and sat under the booths; for since the days of Joshua the son of Nun until that day the children of Israel had not done so. And there was very great gladness. 18 Also day by day, from the first day until the last day, he read from the Book of the Law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day there was a sacred assembly, according to the prescribed manner. Neh 8

13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
14 You made known to them Your holy Sabbath,
And commanded them precepts, statutes and laws,
By the hand of Moses Your servant.
15 You gave them bread from heaven for their hunger,
And brought them water out of the rock for their thirst,
And told them to go in to possess the land
Which You had sworn to give them.

Conclusion:

God gave Israel One COVENANT which was ONE LAW

the bird teaches lies

the scriptures reveal it
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#3 Nov 14, 2012
God clearly states;

Christ is the end of the Law Rom 10:4

for who......FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE

4 For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him Rom 10

23 Now before the faith came, we were perpetually guarded under the Law, kept in custody in preparation for the faith that was destined to be revealed (unveiled, disclosed),

24 So that the Law served [a][to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.

25 But now that the faith has come, we are no longer under a trainer (the guardian of our childhood).

26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. Gal 3

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Conclusion;

After the Law leads one to Christ, it has ended, it has done its job.

It convicted you to Christ by revealing to YOU
that you are a sinner.

Now, since you are NOT under the Law that Christ ended Rom 6:14 Rom 8:2 Rom 10:4

are you free to sin..........NO

for under the NEW COVENANT

it has its penalties. Heb 12:7 1 Cor 3:11-15
birdman

Shelbyville, IL

#4 Nov 14, 2012
ALL LIES BY SHADRACH who DENIES GOD and CALLS GOD A LIAR>

VERY DISGUSTING from one who thinks he is a believer.
DANNO

London, UK

#5 Nov 14, 2012
You have all been decieved by Paul!!

Paul teaches the following :-

1. The Law of GOD is a CURSE!

2. Jesus is CURSED

3. TRhose that dont dump the LAW of GOD will be thrown in hell
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#6 Nov 14, 2012
Here is our PROOF, God Himself teaching the Law, One Law, One Covenant, called the Law of Moses or the Book of the Law being ENDED,

just as the Bible teaches, Christ is the end of the Law , there is no more CONDEMNATION in Christ
Jn 3:18 we are FREE from the Ten C's of Death
Rom 8:1,2

NOW LISTEN TO THE NEW LAW OF CHRIST FROM GOD HIMSELF

8 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2 Now early[a] in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him,“Teacher, this woman was caught[b] in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded[c] us that such should be stoned.[d] But what do You say?”[e] 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.[f]

7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up[g] and said to them,“He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience,[h] went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her,[i]“Woman, where are those accusers of yours?[j] Has no one condemned you?”

11 She said,“No one, Lord.”

Jn 8
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#7 Nov 14, 2012
Did God condemn the women.........NO

Then the scriptures mean what they say:

Christ is the end of the Law Rom 10:4
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#8 Nov 14, 2012
Now who comes to negate all the scriptures of truth, and notice they have no scriptures.

They will cover up the truth you just read and learned..

Who sent them to lie?
DANNO

London, UK

#9 Nov 14, 2012
Paul's gospel cont:-

Jesus did away with the LAW.

You dont need the LAW of God. You only FAITH in JESUS to be saved by God's grace.

Once you have accepted Jesus you are saved forever!

Jesus DID AWAY with SIN.

More later:-
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#10 Nov 14, 2012
birdman wrote:
ALL LIES BY SHADRACH who DENIES GOD and CALLS GOD A LIAR>
VERY DISGUSTING from one who thinks he is a believer.
You are calling God a liar

God stated Christ His Son is the end of the law for those who believe
Rom 10:4

and you teach;

Christ is not the end of the law.

You are teaching the lies

God issues a New law by His Son Jn 8:1-11 and you people state we are teaching God does not issue any law...you lie

lies upon lies
birdman

Shelbyville, IL

#11 Nov 14, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
<quoted text>
You are calling God a liar
God stated Christ His Son is the end of the law for those who believe
Rom 10:4
and you teach;
Christ is not the end of the law.
You are teaching the lies
God issues a New law by His Son Jn 8:1-11 and you people state we are teaching God does not issue any law...you lie
lies upon lies
SHADRACH, you cant handle the TRUTH, don't argue with me, your arguement is with GOD whom you TRULY HATE.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#12 Nov 14, 2012
EVERYONE has noticed you can not provide scripture to support your teaching of 4 laws

but you can be ugly and bear false accusation
when placed in a position to tell the truth.

this is a sign of a false teacher..........

shame on you

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you were presented with scripture revealing BIBLICAL FACTS

and you just flat out REJECT them

instead, you call people ugly things

do you really think the false accusations
influence the readers

those who Love and follow Christ will hear His Word
see His Word and follow His Word

not the story telling you have been caught teaching
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#13 Nov 14, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
EVERYONE has noticed you can not provide scripture to support your teaching of 4 laws
but you can be ugly and bear false accusation
when placed in a position to tell the truth.
this is a sign of a false teacher..........
shame on you
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you were presented with scripture revealing BIBLICAL FACTS
and you just flat out REJECT them
instead, you call people ugly things
do you really think the false accusations
influence the readers
those who Love and follow Christ will hear His Word
see His Word and follow His Word
not the story telling you have been caught teaching
Well said.
DANNO

London, UK

#14 Nov 14, 2012
birdman wrote:
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SHADRACH, you cant handle the TRUTH, don't argue with me, your arguement is with GOD whom you TRULY HATE.
Birdie

Mr Shadpoc & Grammy are following Paul's gospel NOT the ONE you have chosen! You have chosen the GOSPEL of JESUS who DID NOT put an END to the LAW of GOD!! They have chosen to Paul's gospel that makes JESUS cursed for accepting their SINS! You have chosen a gospel that JESUS paid the PENALTY for your SINS by his death! Their JESUS did away with the LAW and with SINS and replaced it with ROM 5: 20!! Your Jesus is NOT CURSED like theirs! Gal 3: 10-11 & Gal 3: 13

Gal 3: 28-29 & Gal 4: 21-31

Rom 10: 8-10 Contradicts Rom 2: 13 & Gal 3: 28 Rom 5: 20

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#15 Nov 14, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said.
Do you worship a CURSED JESUS too?

Dan

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#16 Nov 14, 2012
DANNO wrote:
Paul's gospel cont:-
Jesus did away with the LAW.
You dont need the LAW of God. You only FAITH in JESUS to be saved by God's grace.
Once you have accepted Jesus you are saved forever!
Jesus DID AWAY with SIN.
More later:-
We do NOT say Jesus "did away with" the law; He fulfilled (ended, completed) it, just as He said He had come to do. And Jesus Himself also said that NOTHING can snatch us out of His hand. Now, WHO'S calling Him a liar???

Also, the fact that our opposers ALWAYS leave out is that once we are saved, our lives are different - 180 degrees different that before accepting Jesus and being saved. Sin completely loses its appeal - we now abhor sin! We WANT to live a life that honors and glorifies our Savior. Horse first (accept Jesus and be saved), cart follows naturally (living a changed life in His honor).
birdman

Shelbyville, IL

#17 Nov 14, 2012
GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>We do NOT say Jesus "did away with" the law; He fulfilled (ended, completed) it, just as He said He had come to do. And Jesus Himself also said that NOTHING can snatch us out of His hand. Now, WHO'S calling Him a liar???
Also, the fact that our opposers ALWAYS leave out is that once we are saved, our lives are different - 180 degrees different that before accepting Jesus and being saved. Sin completely loses its appeal - we now abhor sin! We WANT to live a life that honors and glorifies our Savior. Horse first (accept Jesus and be saved), cart follows naturally (living a changed life in His honor).
ONE cannot be saved and REJECTING GOD and His Law at the same time.
DANNO

London, UK

#18 Nov 14, 2012
birdman wrote:
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ONE cannot be saved and REJECTING GOD and His Law at the same time.
Of course she can be saved if she ACCEPTS ROM 5: 20 fully and have faith in her Jesus who did AWAY with the LAW > Rom 10: 4

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#19 Nov 14, 2012
GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>We do NOT say Jesus "did away with" the law; He fulfilled (ended, completed) it, just as He said He had come to do. And Jesus Himself also said that NOTHING can snatch us out of His hand. Now, WHO'S calling Him a liar???
Also, the fact that our opposers ALWAYS leave out is that once we are saved, our lives are different - 180 degrees different that before accepting Jesus and being saved. Sin completely loses its appeal - we now abhor sin! We WANT to live a life that honors and glorifies our Savior. Horse first (accept Jesus and be saved), cart follows naturally (living a changed life in His honor).
YEH ROM 10: 4 & Gal 3: 10-11 & 28

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#20 Nov 14, 2012
birdman wrote:
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ONE cannot be saved and REJECTING GOD and His Law at the same time.
No problem - I haven't done either of those. I simply reject the requirement for sabbathkeeping, which was fulfilled (ended/completed) by Jesus at the cross. But for you and others, sabbathkeeping is the kingpin of salvation requirements, brought up in EACH AND EVERY thread, regardless of the stated/intended subject of same - Amazing!!!!!!!!!!

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