The divisive spirit in the church

The divisive spirit in the church

There are 19 comments on the The Sampson Independent story from Mar 7, 2014, titled The divisive spirit in the church. In it, The Sampson Independent reports that:

You have heard this before. The most segregated day in America is on Sunday mornings when people go to church.

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Jonathan

Rochester, NY

#1 Mar 8, 2014
Colossians 2:16-17
King James Version (KJV)

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 4:10-14
King James Version (KJV)

Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

You don't need to keep the Sabbath to be saved. The Word of God has refuted thee.

Galatians 5:4
King James Version (KJV)

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#2 Mar 8, 2014
Wow! How greatly you misunderstand the Apostle Paul!

Romans 14:5
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

The first verse gives the context:

Romans 14:1 says, "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters." NIV.

The KJV translates this same verse as, "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations."

Indisputably, the Apostle Paul thought that the obligation to keep the Sabbath was a matter of personal opinion, not clear revelation.

If Seventh-day Adventists are of the opinion that the seventh-day Sabbath should be honored, then God bless them. However, I don’t see that God approves of your divisive spirit.
Jonathan

Rochester, NY

#3 Mar 8, 2014
The Sabbath was abolished when nailed to the Cross: Col 2:14

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#4 Mar 8, 2014
Jonathan wrote:
The Sabbath was abolished when nailed to the Cross: Col 2:14
You can't refute the Apostle Paul by misinterpreting him. So you’re wasting your time. Instead, I strongly suggest that you reprove your church for the heresy in believing in eternal conscious torment. To persuade deceived Christians that God isn’t the revolting monster that Babylonian Churchianity says He is would be a blessing to many. Or try to get your church to believe in the three angels’ messages. That is obviously a doctrine of infinite importance.
thanks for reading

Sydney, Australia

#5 Mar 10, 2014
Jonathan wrote:
The Sabbath was abolished when nailed to the Cross: Col 2:14
no friend that was the ceremonial laws

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

Christ uplifted the law

and heaven and Earth didn't combine yet
JesusWasNOTaJew -GoogleIt

Rutland, VT

#6 Mar 12, 2014
it above and it's at the main page of the Topix Seventh-day Adventist forum right now:
'The divisive spirit in the church'
"You have heard this before. The most segregated day in America is on Sunday mornings when people go to church."
//
Ha!- Sundays
you know what we say at SDA...
"Sunday keepers- Judgment Day weepers"
///
nutty Jonathan posted:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"
-yeah Jon that's cuz it's God's job to judge you for failing to obey ANY of the Ten Cs which He declared eternal & immutable
//
Hebrews 4:9 properly translated reads, "There remaineth therefore a keeping of a sabbath to the people of God."
Buck Jackson

Fontana, CA

#7 Mar 13, 2014
JesusWasNOTaJew -GoogleIt wrote:
it above and it's at the main page of the Topix Seventh-day Adventist forum right now:
'The divisive spirit in the church'
"You have heard this before. The most segregated day in America is on Sunday mornings when people go to church."
//
Ha!- Sundays
you know what we say at SDA...
"Sunday keepers- Judgment Day weepers"
///
nutty Jonathan posted:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"
-yeah Jon that's cuz it's God's job to judge you for failing to obey ANY of the Ten Cs which He declared eternal & immutable
//
Hebrews 4:9 properly translated reads, "There remaineth therefore a keeping of a sabbath to the people of God."
We also know you don't judge Hitler too harshly, after all, he didn't smoke, drink alcohol or eat meat, thus keeping the Holy Script of the SDA's (Your German fellows voted for him at the rate of 99.5 % as he was seen so holy!)

Since: Dec 13

Location hidden

#8 Mar 13, 2014
Jonathan wrote:
The Sabbath was abolished when nailed to the Cross: Col 2:14
Can you think of any good reason why God would do away with the Sevent-day Sabbath? Dr. Barkhuizen clearly pointed out the Sabbath was a creation decree that had nothing to do with any law per se.. Get yourself a copy of The Fourth Dilemma .35c at any ABC bookstore.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#9 Mar 13, 2014
umfundize wrote:
Can you think of any good reason why God would do away with the Seventh-day Sabbath?
I can think of a good reason why God suspended the Seventh-day Sabbath until the New Earth.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#10 Mar 14, 2014
Jonathan wrote:
The Sabbath was abolished when nailed to the Cross: Col 2:14
Correct.

HOW?

In Christ crucified on the cross and nailed to the cross and taken out of the way on the cross THROUGH DYING DEATH THE WAGES OF SIN.

Correct?

Yes! Correct!

You misreckoned though, Jonathan. You gravely -- HOPELESSLY -- miscalculated!
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#11 Mar 14, 2014
Jonathan wrote:
Colossians 2:16-17
King James Version (KJV)
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Galatians 4:10-14
King James Version (KJV)
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
You don't need to keep the Sabbath to be saved. The Word of God has refuted thee.
Galatians 5:4
King James Version (KJV)
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
First question:

Why have you placed Colossians 2:16-17 here?
It is totally irrelevant to your purpose.

Second question:

Why have you placed Galatians 4:10-14 here?
It is totally counterproductive for your purpose.

Third question:

Why have you placed Galatians 5:4 here?
It is totally inappropriate, and like the two-edged Sword of the Word of God, in context of your intention is totally self-condemning.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#12 Mar 14, 2014
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> I can think of a good reason why God suspended the Seventh-day Sabbath until the New Earth.
It's you who in the meantime miss out.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#13 Mar 14, 2014
Colossians 2:16

Translation:
12 While dead in your sins God who raised Christ from the dead forgave you all trespasses having quickened you together with Him. Nailing it to the cross and removing it altogether, Christ blotted out the damning law against us; and putting off and ruining the rulers and the authorities [of darkness 1:13], He publicly held them up to shame, triumphing over them in it.[If ye then be raised with Christ 3:1], THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY and SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST!
Let no man not holding to the Head [but] puffed up by his fleshly mind, who conceitedly meddles in what he knows nothing about (the mystery which is Christ 1:28), with his pretentious humility and angelic worship beguile you (with enticing words 2:4) of your reward.
Because holding to the Head nourishment being ministered, all the Body (of Christ’s Own 1:18) by joints and bands [of faith 2:12 Hosea 11:4; peace Ephesians 4:3; and charity Colossians 3:14], and knit together (in love 2:2), will grow with the growth of God.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#14 Mar 14, 2014
Jonathan boy, REFUTE THAT!
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#15 Mar 14, 2014
Galatians 4:10,“you superstitiously divine your erstwhile weak and beggarly elemental no gods days, months, seasons, years”, the man of sin changed into,“observing sabbaths, new moons, annual feasts and sabbatical years”.

Jonathan boy, you refute THAT!
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#16 Mar 14, 2014
Be warned, you are going to land up with your Sunday you so superstitiously venerate in the Name of Christ all the time having been the hermaphrodite abomination "QUEEN OF DAYS" AND "VENERABLE DAY OF THE LORD SUN".

....and you call THAT, Christian?!
Red

O Fallon, MO

#18 May 22, 2014
Jonathan wrote:
The Sabbath was abolished when nailed to the Cross: Col 2:14
So why do you go to church?
mmm

Pfafftown, NC

#19 May 29, 2015
To the person who asked for a good reason not to keep the sabbath.
It is because the true rest is in Jesus. In Him you have your rest, not in a physical day. That is what the writer of Hebrews 4 was talking about.
I kept sabbath for over 20 years before I understood this.
Now I am free in Christ.
poor old non-ruler

Austin, TX

#20 May 30, 2015
mmmoron wrote:
To the person who asked for a good reason not to keep the sabbath.
It is because the true rest is in Jesus. In Him you have your rest, not in a physical day. That is what the writer of Hebrews 4 was talking about.
I kept sabbath for over 20 years before I understood this.
Now I am free in Christ.
what you've 'understood' is some twisted man's false Interpretations!
did you know the Greek word 'sabbatismos' is in the original version on Hebrews 4:9 and what it means, how it was wrongfully translated into 'rest'?
read-
http://www.icogsfg.org/heb-4-9.html

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