7 last plagues
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Robert Two

Australia

#1 Dec 16, 2012
Even the SAINTS feel the issues of each plague.
This is not a happy experience for the saints.
But as the saints are ready for ETERNITY they cannot DIE so it is a bad experience for them.
Dennis

Yucaipa, CA

#2 Dec 16, 2012
The 7 bowls of wrath occur AFTER the transfer of the power of the kingdoms of the world to the Kingdom of Heaven (Rev. 11:15). After that there will be no more killing of the saints because the power to do so has been removed from the One World Government. During this time they will be protected and cared for by God through the ministry of Angels. There is NOTHING to fear from the 7 'last plagues' by those who have the seal of the Living God on their foreheads.
Robert Two

Australia

#3 Dec 16, 2012
Dennis wrote:
The 7 bowls of wrath occur AFTER the transfer of the power of the kingdoms of the world to the Kingdom of Heaven (Rev. 11:15). After that there will be no more killing of the saints because the power to do so has been removed from the One World Government. During this time they will be protected and cared for by God through the ministry of Angels. There is NOTHING to fear from the 7 'last plagues' by those who have the seal of the Living God on their foreheads.
Yes they are protected but still some of the effects are seen and felt but yes protected. Not a pleasant experience to say the lest.
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#4 Dec 16, 2012
So, to sum it all up ....

They are not protected from protection but protected from no protection.
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#5 Dec 16, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
So, to sum it all up ....
They are not protected from protection but protected from no protection.
They cannot die or be injured by the PLAGUES.
But it is the hard experience that wears them down.
Klink

Plover, WI

#6 Dec 16, 2012

God's people are not subject to God's wrath.

All three 'woes' were/are God's wrath upon Rome's empire, east & west.

However, God's people are still subject to persecution from Satan's world gov.

The three woes are the 5th 6th & 7th trumpets.

The 7th trumpet opens the seven vials or plagues.

The 7th trumpet sounded at the time of the French Revolution, 1789.

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Rv 11:14-18 "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe comes quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; ... And the nations were angry, and your wrath is come,"

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The vials are symbolic as the rest of historicism prophecy reads. SDA are in error claiming they are literal i.e. sores upon men and seas & rivers of blood.


Most admit we have already seen the three false spirits (frogs) of the 6th vial. The 6th cannot come before the first five, according to the biblical historicist interpretations.


These videos cover the seven vials since the French Revolution.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist...

http://archive.org/details/RevelationIllustra...


It looks like James & EGW, and the other SDA founders, had to move the seven vials future to claim the mark of the beast was still future, claimed to be a time of revived holy roman empire, not their NWO already ruling as the 8th and final head.

Others at the time, such as William Miller and non-SDA J.A. Wylie, were writing about the symbolically fulfilled seven vials.


Today we are in Rev 19 just before the second coming, being 2000 years from the cross.

• Seven Vials

www.geocities.ws/pitbeast/


Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#7 Dec 16, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text> They cannot die or be injured by the PLAGUES.
But it is the hard experience that wears them down.
But they die. Jesus said so.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#8 Dec 16, 2012
Klink wrote:
God's people are not subject to God's wrath.
All three 'woes' were/are God's wrath upon Rome's empire, east & west.
However, God's people are still subject to persecution from Satan's world gov.
The three woes are the 5th 6th & 7th trumpets.
The 7th trumpet opens the seven vials or plagues.
The 7th trumpet sounded at the time of the French Revolution, 1789.
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Rv 11:14-18 "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe comes quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; ... And the nations were angry, and your wrath is come,"
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The vials are symbolic as the rest of historicism prophecy reads. SDA are in error claiming they are literal i.e. sores upon men and seas & rivers of blood.
Most admit we have already seen the three false spirits (frogs) of the 6th vial. The 6th cannot come before the first five, according to the biblical historicist interpretations.
These videos cover the seven vials since the French Revolution.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist...
http://archive.org/details/RevelationIllustra...
It looks like James & EGW, and the other SDA founders, had to move the seven vials future to claim the mark of the beast was still future, claimed to be a time of revived holy roman empire, not their NWO already ruling as the 8th and final head.
Others at the time, such as William Miller and non-SDA J.A. Wylie, were writing about the symbolically fulfilled seven vials.
Today we are in Rev 19 just before the second coming, being 2000 years from the cross.
• Seven Vials
www.geocities.ws/pitbeast/
Wow Col. Klink, you are so wrong it's amazing! Clearly you are one of those who Jesus is warning in Rev. 2:19-24 to repent and seek real truth from the words of Jesus ONLY!

IF you believe you have the truth, the tell us the exact time the start of the time of trouble (tribulation) started!
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#9 Dec 16, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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But they die. Jesus said so.
Yes, of course, during the first 37 months (new moons) of the 3 and a half years of the time of trouble. After that, there will be NO more time for anyone to be converted--as those sealed by God are His and those who take the Mark (seal) of Satan, are his. In fact, Rev. 6:9-11 show us that some of the 144k and 5 wise will be killed during the time of trouble and it is their blood that cries out under the altar.

Remember ONLY those who are perfect and blameless are the ones sacrificed upon an altar, so it is these who's blood cries out--not the marters from way back in history who had NEVER been sealed by God!
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#10 Dec 17, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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But they die. Jesus said so.
The 144,000 do not die and cannot die at this time in the PLAGUES.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#11 Dec 17, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
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The 144,000 do not die and cannot die at this time in the PLAGUES.
Really now! No, they do not die in the plagues, but they will be willing to give up their SEALED and spiritual life, just as Jesus did, PRIOR to the start of the plagues. And of course, many will die as we see it's their blood that cries out in Rev. 6:10.

But this will blow your mind: It is NOT the blood of Jesus that saves the Bride as found in Rev. 7:9-15, but the blood of the 144k and the 5 wise after they have been sealed by Jesus when He comes like a thief in the night PRIOR to the start of the time of trouble!

PLEASE notice that the word "lamb" in Rev. 7:14 is Strongs 721, the SAME exact word Jesus told Peter to feed in John 21:15! It means the kin of the Lamb (Jesus) which means the brothers and sister of Jesus who have been sealed by Jesus--thereby born of the Holy Spirit and have become family members of God!

This is KEY to fully understand ALL of the book of Revelation and I am giving it now,(perhaps too soon as there is to be a time for this) for those of you who want to be one of the 144k or 5 wise!

Here is a clue: Rev. 7:13 has one of the Elders (one already in heaven) asking the question "who are these". Why? because the Atonement would have been over EXCEPT for the nations (wilderness) of the world. Remember the 'goat of removal'? That is exatly what this is for--to show the world that THOSE who have already been sealed by God are willing to give up THEIR own lives in order to save those from out of the wilderness, the nations of the world!

More about this can be read about in the article called "The Two Atonments" found at: spiritoftruthministry.net/STM Just search for it in the Article section.

Now, for those of you who do not want to be among the 5 wise or 144k, that is your own choice--as this is all very serious information--not for the consumption of those outside of the Adventist community right now. Blessings
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#12 Dec 17, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
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The 144,000 do not die and cannot die at this time in the PLAGUES.
Where is the Biblical evidence?
Robert Two

Australia

#13 Dec 17, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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Where is the Biblical evidence?
Their PROBATION has closed.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#14 Dec 17, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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Where is the Biblical evidence?
Try reading the book of Revelation instead of asking stupid questions! Look for "The Power of the Holy People"
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#15 Dec 17, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
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Their PROBATION has closed.
No bible.

Sad.
Robert Two

Australia

#16 Dec 17, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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No bible.
Sad.
Don't worry be happy.
I never bothered giving a text but they are there.
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#17 Dec 17, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
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Don't worry be happy.
I never bothered giving a text but they are there.
I tried reading it again.
Robert Two

Australia

#18 Dec 17, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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I tried reading it again.
Sorry THERE meaning in the BIBLE sorry.
George Bush

Brampton, Canada

#19 Dec 17, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry THERE meaning in the BIBLE sorry.
And what is that meaning?
Robert Two

Australia

#20 Dec 17, 2012
George Bush wrote:
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And what is that meaning?
There are BIBLE TEXTS on the given subject.

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