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Jul 21, 2012
 
GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>We're not having this discussion again, Dan. Let it go! You're like a little bulldog with a bone. It gets tiresome with you asking the same questions over and over and over and over!
Then hit the report abuse button--the more people that do it with his posts, the more likely he'll get kicked off.

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DANNO wrote:
Moses.
Acts 14: 14 says BARNABAS is an Apostle! Matt 10: 2-4 says he is NOT!
"But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting:" Acts 14:14 (NIV)
So, how do you fit 14 into 12 places in REV 21: 14 & Matt 19: 28 ??
Dan
Where is it written that there could ONLY be 12 apostles, ever in the whole wide world, or that scripture could ONLY be authored by members of The Twelve DISCIPLES - You won't find it because it isn't there!

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Jul 21, 2012
 
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Grams.
you better get ready to give GOD a good reply on your judgment day when he asks you why DID YOU REJECT HEB 8: 10 into your heart and mind! What will you say Grammy?
When he asks you why have you rejected the Holy 4th commandment will you say I have accepted JESUS is my Sabbath and rejected the jewish Saturday SABBATH?
Dan
You should be more concerned about your own future, having to giving an account as to why you reject 2/3 of the NT (including, I might add, the ENTIRE book of Hebrews). I believe my recollection is correct that you accept only the NT books of Matthew, John, 1-2-3John, James and Revelation. Did I miss any?

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Jul 21, 2012
 
DANNO wrote:
<quoted text>ONLY GOD can kick me off from this forum!

now, go take your cat for a walkie it wants to do a woopsie!

Dan
When I launch the world's largest Adventist Apologetics forum, be prepared to be tested after you join. If you break the rules, even dare insinuate, that Paul was not inspired, you will not have the brightest time of your life.

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How many Apostles did Jesus have around him at the last Supper? 12! NOT 12,000
Jesus says ONLY 12 in REV 21: 14 & in MATT 19: 28 !!
Are you saying he got that wrong and it should be more than 12???
Dan
No, I'm saying your interpretation is incorrect. Look up (in the dictionary) the definition of "apostle" as compared to the word, "disciple." That should clear it up for you. Disciple = follower, apostle = teacher. There were apostles (teachers) in addition to those who were numbered among the 12 DISCIPLES - Paul, for instance.
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I'm wise! I only accept the words from the Apostles that will sit in REV 21: 14 & Matt 19: 28 All the OTHERS you can have with my pleasure! INCLUDING the BIGGEST FALSE Apostle PAUL!
Dan
Danno
The only reason (well one of them) why you hate Paul is because Paul stood Biblically correct in preaching up against the sin of being a homosexual, when the Bible shows that it is clearly a sin in the word of God.

Now why don't you come out of the closet Danno
who stands up for open sin. Show everyone the real reason why you hate Paul so much. Confess you hidden sin Danno
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Paul was an apostle who was chosen by God. You Danno
are clearly not of God and everyone here has been able to see that you are not of God thus the reason you hate Paul so much for what he preached.
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Jul 21, 2012
 
Shadrack wrote:
The Law was given to Moses Jn 1;17 at Mt Sinai a Law of Bondage, a Law of Death Gal 4;24, 2 Cor 3:7 in which it is used to lead people, Jews and Gentiles,to Christ Gal 3;19-25 1Tim 1:9
The Law was written in a Book, called:
The Book of the Covenant Ex 24:7
The Book of the Law of God Joshua 24:26
The Book of the Law of Moses Joshua 23:6
The Book of the Law Deut 30:10
and contained,
the Ten Commandments
the Levitical Law
the Feast Law
the Purity Law
10 if you obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deut 30
2 Now the days of David drew near that he should die, and he charged Solomon his son, saying: 2 ďI go the way of all the earth; be strong, therefore, and prove yourself a man. 3 And keep the charge of the Lord your God: to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes, His commandments, His judgments, and His testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses, 1Kings 2
this law has passed away for those in Christ Heb 8:13 Eph 2;15 2 Cor 3:11
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Christ is the "END" of that Law Rom 10:4
This scripture means what it says.
but,
Doug USA has tried desperately to teach you, the word "End" does not mean terminated, or ended
well lets check him out..as is a commandment of Gods, test the spirit that is teaching you 1Thess 5:21
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What does the word "end" mean in Gods Scripture Rom 10:4
Strong's Number: 5056 te—lov
Original Word Word Origin
te—lov from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
Telos tel'-os
Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Neuter 8:49,1161
Definition
"end "
termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)
the end
the last in any succession or series
eternal
that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose
toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)
Verse Count
KJV NAS
Matthew 6
Mark 3
Luke 4
John 1
Romans 4
1 Corinthians 3
2 Corinthians 3
Philippians 1
1 Thessalonians 1
1 Timothy 1
Hebrews 5
James 1
1 Peter 4
Revelation 4
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Conclusion;
The scripture means what it says, and Doug is teaching lies.
Christ is the END of the Law Rom 10:4
The law is not meant for the Christ follower 1 Tim 1:9
The Christ follower is under the New Covenant 1 Cor 11:25 not that Book of the Covenant listed above.
"God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Romans 2:6,7 (NIV)
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Jul 22, 2012
 
DANNO wrote:
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Who gave PAUL his CURSE /blessing in 2nd Cor 12: 7 to torment him??
Dan
What is the BIble definition of the Gospel of God?
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Jul 23, 2012
 
Shadrack wrote:
The Law was given to Moses Jn 1;17 at Mt Sinai a Law of Bondage, a Law of Death Gal 4;24, 2 Cor 3:7 in which it is used to lead people, Jews and Gentiles,to Christ Gal 3;19-25 1Tim 1:9
The Law was written in a Book, called:
The Book of the Covenant Ex 24:7
The Book of the Law of God Joshua 24:26
The Book of the Law of Moses Joshua 23:6
The Book of the Law Deut 30:10
and contained,
the Ten Commandments
the Levitical Law
the Feast Law
the Purity Law

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Christ is the "END" of that Law Rom 10:4
This scripture means what it says.
but,
Doug USA has tried desperately to teach you, the word "End" does not mean terminated, or ended
well lets check him out..as is a commandment of Gods, test the spirit that is teaching you 1Thess 5:21
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Assuming that your level of understanding is true that the moral law was ended by Jesus Christ, are you saying that it is now ok to murder, to commit adultery, to steal, to covet, to lie, to ridicule our parents, to join the sunday keepers, etc.?
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Jul 23, 2012
 
DANNO wrote:
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ONLY GOD can kick me off from this forum!
now, go take your cat for a walkie it wants to do a woopsie!
Dan
Dan, I think you really need to stay in this forum because Satan needs some representatives to convey his lies and deceptions.

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Jul 23, 2012
 
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>Danno
The only reason (well one of them) why you hate Paul is because Paul stood Biblically correct in preaching up against the sin of being a homosexual, when the Bible shows that it is clearly a sin in the word of God.

Now why don't you come out of the closet Danno
who stands up for open sin. Show everyone the real reason why you hate Paul so much. Confess you hidden sin Danno
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Paul was an apostle who was chosen by God. You Danno
are clearly not of God and everyone here has been able to see that you are not of God thus the reason you hate Paul so much for what he preached.
Ah do some truth is coming out?
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Jul 23, 2012
 
GodSgood wrote:
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Assuming that your level of understanding is true that the moral law was ended by Jesus Christ, are you saying that it is now ok to murder, to commit adultery, to steal, to covet, to lie, to ridicule our parents, to join the sunday keepers, etc.?
This is not that complicated,

There are Two Covenants issuing MORAL LAWS

One Covenant which was given ONLY to Israel and not mankind
Deut 4:8 Ps 147:19,20 Heb 8:9 issued MORAL LAWS that if breached
meant death, the penalty was death, as decreed by God Num 15:35
Ex 21,22,23 Lev 20:10

God issues this Covenant Deut 4;13 to the Israelite from Mt Sinai
which have moral laws with the PENALTY of CONDEMNATION Gal 4:24
God calls this a Ministry , a Ministry of Death engraved on stones
2 Cor 3:6 a Ministry of CONDEMNATION verse 11

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and the other Covenant which is given to ALL who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior Jn 3:16 Heb 8:13 which has MORAL LAWS in this covenant, and if by some means get breached, the PENALTY is not death, but a loss of reward, relationship, blessings by the Lord 1 Cor 3:10-15, but will still be saved Jn 5;25 Jn 3:18
God calls this Ministry , a Ministry of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:8
or Ministry of Grace
and this Ministry was given from Mt Zion Heb 12:18-24

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NOTE: All pagan and man made religions have the mind set that, they must EARN their Salvation from their god. Some must sacrifice
their children , animals, do dances, worship on certain days...belong to a specific organization...etc etc

WRONG
Our God, clearly states
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jn 3
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Conclusion, No one has ever stated or taught the Christian is not subject to moral laws, in which you have stated...this is a programming which comes from a controlling cult

You now have understanding...

God presents two covenants
One with Moral laws with condemnation
and
One with Moral laws without condemnation

please get out of the adventist cult......I pray

DON'T FORGET TO TEST WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED
as is commanded by God
look up those scriptures and check them out
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Shadrack wrote:
The Law was given to Moses Jn 1;17 at Mt Sinai a Law of Bondage, a Law of Death Gal 4;24, 2 Cor 3:7 in which it is used to lead people, Jews and Gentiles,to Christ Gal 3;19-25 1Tim 1:9
U R implying that Moses was oppressing the Israelites and that God /Jesus (1 Cor 10:4)allowed him to do that.

U R a victim of SATANIC antinomian preaching/teaching
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#326
Jul 23, 2012
 
Godsgood, after reading this answer to your question below, you may now understand, you may now SEE,
that the Scripture Rom 10:4;

"Christ is the END of the Law"

REALLY MEANS WHAT IT SAYS

and you should recognize and now know the twisting by adventism......do you see it

Hopefully, you will start believing the scriptures really mean what they say, and that they(the adventist) have in fact twisted so many to keep their captured cult members......

GodSgood wrote:
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Assuming that your level of understanding is true that the moral law was ended by Jesus Christ, are you saying that it is now ok to murder, to commit adultery, to steal, to covet, to lie, to ridicule our parents, to join the sunday keepers, etc.?

Shad's reply:

This is not that complicated,

There are Two Covenants issuing MORAL LAWS

One Covenant which was given ONLY to Israel and not mankind
Deut 4:8 Ps 147:19,20 Heb 8:9 issued MORAL LAWS that if breached
meant death, the penalty was death, as decreed by God Num 15:35
Ex 21,22,23 Lev 20:10

God issues this Covenant Deut 4;13 to the Israelite from Mt Sinai
which have moral laws with the PENALTY of CONDEMNATION Gal 4:24
God calls this a Ministry , a Ministry of Death engraved on stones
2 Cor 3:6 a Ministry of CONDEMNATION verse 11

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and the other Covenant which is given to ALL who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior Jn 3:16 Heb 8:13 which has MORAL LAWS in this covenant, and if by some means get breached, the PENALTY is not death, but a loss of reward, relationship, blessings by the Lord 1 Cor 3:10-15, but will still be saved Jn 5;25 Jn 3:18
God calls this Ministry , a Ministry of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:8
or Ministry of Grace
and this Ministry was given from Mt Zion Heb 12:18-24

----------

NOTE: All pagan and man made religions have the mind set that, they must EARN their Salvation from their god. Some must sacrifice
their children , animals, do dances, worship on certain days...belong to a specific organization...etc etc

WRONG
Our God, clearly states
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jn 3
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Conclusion, No one has ever stated or taught the Christian is not subject to moral laws, in which you have stated...this is a programming which comes from a controlling cult

You now have understanding...

God presents two covenants
One with Moral laws with condemnation
and
One with Moral laws without condemnation

please get out of the adventist cult......I pray

DON'T FORGET TO TEST WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED
as is commanded by God
look up those scriptures and check them out

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Jul 23, 2012
 
>One with Moral laws without condemnation

I.e., you can violate the laws at will and you won't go to hell for it.

What does the Bible say?

KJV 1 John 3:4†Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

KJV Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

>look up those scriptures and check them out

he tells you that, knowing full well that you rtime is limited and you won't--i.e., he wants you to simply believe what he says (without him backing up his claim by showing the Bible text(s)).

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Jul 23, 2012
 
djconklin wrote:
>One with Moral laws without condemnation
I.e., you can violate the laws at will and you won't go to hell for it.
What does the Bible say?
KJV 1 John 3:4†Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
KJV Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
>look up those scriptures and check them out
he tells you that, knowing full well that you rtime is limited and you won't--i.e., he wants you to simply believe what he says (without him backing up his claim by showing the Bible text(s)).
Sin IS transgression of the law, and the wages of sin is indeed death, and Jesus' death fulfilled the requirement of shed blood and death to pay the penalty for sin. Why else did He come and die??? How else could we receive the "gift of God - eternal lief THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord"??? The scriptures you quoted make it so completely crystal clear (if read without a SDA/EGW filter)!
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Shadrach wrote:
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This is not that complicated,
There are Two Covenants issuing MORAL LAWS
One Covenant which was given ONLY to Israel and not mankind
Deut 4:8 Ps 147:19,20 Heb 8:9 issued MORAL LAWS that if breached
meant death, the penalty was death, as decreed by God Num 15:35
Ex 21,22,23 Lev 20:10
God issues this Covenant Deut 4;13 to the Israelite from Mt Sinai
which have moral laws with the PENALTY of CONDEMNATION Gal 4:24
God calls this a Ministry , a Ministry of Death engraved on stones
2 Cor 3:6 a Ministry of CONDEMNATION verse 11
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and the other Covenant which is given to ALL who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior Jn 3:16 Heb 8:13 which has MORAL LAWS in this covenant, and if by some means get breached, the PENALTY is not death, but a loss of reward, relationship, blessings by the Lord 1 Cor 3:10-15, but will still be saved Jn 5;25 Jn 3:18
God calls this Ministry , a Ministry of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:8
or Ministry of Grace
and this Ministry was given from Mt Zion Heb 12:18-24
----------
NOTE: All pagan and man made religions have the mind set that, they must EARN their Salvation from their god. Some must sacrifice
their children , animals, do dances, worship on certain days...belong to a specific organization...etc etc
WRONG
Our God, clearly states
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jn 3
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Conclusion, No one has ever stated or taught the Christian is not subject to moral laws, in which you have stated...this is a programming which comes from a controlling cult
You now have understanding...
God presents two covenants
One with Moral laws with condemnation
and
One with Moral laws without condemnation
please get out of the adventist cult......I pray
DON'T FORGET TO TEST WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED
as is commanded by God
look up those scriptures and check them out
AS ALWAYS FALSE TEACHING HERE
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Jul 23, 2012
 
Shadrach wrote:
Godsgood, after reading this answer to your question below, you may now understand, you may now SEE,
that the Scripture Rom 10:4;
"Christ is the END of the Law"
REALLY MEANS WHAT IT SAYS
and you should recognize and now know the twisting by adventism......do you see it
Hopefully, you will start believing the scriptures really mean what they say, and that they(the adventist) have in fact twisted so many to keep their captured cult members......
GodSgood wrote:
<quoted text>
Assuming that your level of understanding is true that the moral law was ended by Jesus Christ, are you saying that it is now ok to murder, to commit adultery, to steal, to covet, to lie, to ridicule our parents, to join the sunday keepers, etc.?
Shad's reply:
This is not that complicated,
There are Two Covenants issuing MORAL LAWS
One Covenant which was given ONLY to Israel and not mankind
Deut 4:8 Ps 147:19,20 Heb 8:9 issued MORAL LAWS that if breached
meant death, the penalty was death, as decreed by God Num 15:35
Ex 21,22,23 Lev 20:10
God issues this Covenant Deut 4;13 to the Israelite from Mt Sinai
which have moral laws with the PENALTY of CONDEMNATION Gal 4:24
God calls this a Ministry , a Ministry of Death engraved on stones
2 Cor 3:6 a Ministry of CONDEMNATION verse 11
----------
and the other Covenant which is given to ALL who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior Jn 3:16 Heb 8:13 which has MORAL LAWS in this covenant, and if by some means get breached, the PENALTY is not death, but a loss of reward, relationship, blessings by the Lord 1 Cor 3:10-15, but will still be saved Jn 5;25 Jn 3:18
God calls this Ministry , a Ministry of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:8
or Ministry of Grace
and this Ministry was given from Mt Zion Heb 12:18-24
----------
NOTE: All pagan and man made religions have the mind set that, they must EARN their Salvation from their god. Some must sacrifice
their children , animals, do dances, worship on certain days...belong to a specific organization...etc etc
WRONG
Our God, clearly states
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jn 3
----------
Conclusion, No one has ever stated or taught the Christian is not subject to moral laws, in which you have stated...this is a programming which comes from a controlling cult
You now have understanding...
God presents two covenants
One with Moral laws with condemnation
and
One with Moral laws without condemnation
please get out of the adventist cult......I pray
DON'T FORGET TO TEST WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED
as is commanded by God
look up those scriptures and check them out
False teaching here
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djconklin wrote:
>One with Moral laws without condemnation
I.e., you can violate the laws at will and you won't go to hell for it.
What does the Bible say?
KJV 1 John 3:4†Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
KJV Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
>look up those scriptures and check them out
he tells you that, knowing full well that you rtime is limited and you won't--i.e., he wants you to simply believe what he says (without him backing up his claim by showing the Bible text(s)).
Conk, listen and try to understand.....

When one acknowledges Christ,

He is declaring his need to be saved, saved from the sin that the law reveals.
He is declaring and acknowdeging he is a sinner, he is in this state of dispare,

He is declaring and accepting Gods Love , God sending His Son to die for him, so that he may live,

He loves God for this, He loves Jesus for giving His life up for him.

Conk how would you feel towards someone who gave their life for you, who took a bullet for you......

would you have any love for this person? Please answer this..

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The Bible indeed states:

The wages of sin is death...

A Bright RED Warning Light which flashes;

The TRANSGRESSION OF MY LAW will be death, unless you accept My Son

The said scripture is for the unGodly, it is a WARNING of the way God will judge man

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Now anyone who trully believes he was given life, by Jesus laying down His life, the Savior,

LOVES JESUS

and by this LOVE for Him....If you Love Me you will keep My commandments, when you Love Him you want to follow Him

will have a NATURAL desire to obey the Lord

will have a NATURAL desire to follow Christ

inspite of NOW being FREE from any condemnation of the law,
inspite of Christ ending the law Rom 10:4

FREE from the law of sin and death Rom 8:1,2

Answer this please;

Who loves the Lord ?

even though no human can keep the commandments perfectly

a) one who trys to keep His commandments by fear of death, the law

b) one who trys to keep His commandments simply by his love for God
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Shadrach wrote:
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Conk, listen and try to understand.....
When one acknowledges Christ,
He is declaring his need to be saved, saved from the sin that the law reveals.
He is declaring and acknowdeging he is a sinner, he is in this state of dispare,
He is declaring and accepting Gods Love , God sending His Son to die for him, so that he may live,
He loves God for this, He loves Jesus for giving His life up for him.
Conk how would you feel towards someone who gave their life for you, who took a bullet for you......
would you have any love for this person? Please answer this..
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The Bible indeed states:
The wages of sin is death...
A Bright RED Warning Light which flashes;
The TRANSGRESSION OF MY LAW will be death, unless you accept My Son
The said scripture is for the unGodly, it is a WARNING of the way God will judge man
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Now anyone who trully believes he was given life, by Jesus laying down His life, the Savior,
LOVES JESUS
and by this LOVE for Him....If you Love Me you will keep My commandments, when you Love Him you want to follow Him
will have a NATURAL desire to obey the Lord
will have a NATURAL desire to follow Christ
inspite of NOW being FREE from any condemnation of the law,
inspite of Christ ending the law Rom 10:4
FREE from the law of sin and death Rom 8:1,2
Answer this please;
Who loves the Lord ?
even though no human can keep the commandments perfectly
a) one who trys to keep His commandments by fear of death, the law
b) one who trys to keep His commandments simply by his love for God
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