Christ ended the Law Rom 10;4
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Shadrack

Santa Clara, CA

#1 May 24, 2012
The Law was given to Moses Jn 1;17 at Mt Sinai a Law of Bondage, a Law of Death Gal 4;24, 2 Cor 3:7 in which it is used to lead people, Jews and Gentiles,to Christ Gal 3;19-25 1Tim 1:9

The Law was written in a Book, called:

The Book of the Covenant Ex 24:7
The Book of the Law of God Joshua 24:26
The Book of the Law of Moses Joshua 23:6
The Book of the Law Deut 30:10

and contained,

the Ten Commandments
the Levitical Law
the Feast Law
the Purity Law

10 if you obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deut 30

2 Now the days of David drew near that he should die, and he charged Solomon his son, saying: 2 “I go the way of all the earth; be strong, therefore, and prove yourself a man. 3 And keep the charge of the Lord your God: to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes, His commandments, His judgments, and His testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses, 1Kings 2

this law has passed away for those in Christ Heb 8:13 Eph 2;15 2 Cor 3:11

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Christ is the "END" of that Law Rom 10:4

This scripture means what it says.

but,

Doug USA has tried desperately to teach you, the word "End" does not mean terminated, or ended

well lets check him out..as is a commandment of Gods, test the spirit that is teaching you 1Thess 5:21

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What does the word "end" mean in Gods Scripture Rom 10:4

Strong's Number: 5056 teÑlov
Original Word Word Origin
teÑlov from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
Telos tel'-os
Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Neuter 8:49,1161

Definition
"end "

termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)
the end
the last in any succession or series
eternal
that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose
toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)



Verse Count
KJV NAS
Matthew 6
Mark 3
Luke 4
John 1
Romans 4
1 Corinthians 3
2 Corinthians 3
Philippians 1
1 Thessalonians 1
1 Timothy 1
Hebrews 5
James 1
1 Peter 4
Revelation 4

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Conclusion;

The scripture means what it says, and Doug is teaching lies.

Christ is the END of the Law Rom 10:4

The law is not meant for the Christ follower 1 Tim 1:9

The Christ follower is under the New Covenant 1 Cor 11:25 not that Book of the Covenant listed above.

Since: May 12

Jacksonville, NC

#2 May 24, 2012
hey shadrach,

It is the end attaining righteous by the law, not the ending of the law itself. List the whole verse not just half of it. Christ ended righteousness by works of law and became the righteousness already contain in the law. For what the law could not do in that it was weak in the flesh, Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin; condemnede sinin the flesh; that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The law was weak in the flesh? why? Because the flesh cannot fulfill its precepts.

Also you already believe that nine of the ten commandments of the old law is still in effect for the new covenant christian.

why not just cut to the chase already and state that Christ took away only the Sabbath and is now our Sabbath?

Your fight is against the Sabbath alone. Not the other nine.

How come?
DANNO

London, UK

#3 May 24, 2012
Shad

Now, tell us what you understand in ROM 7: 12 by your Apostle? or would you rather keep silent and ignor that text?

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#4 May 24, 2012
DANNO wrote:
Shad
Now, tell us what you understand in ROM 7: 12 by your Apostle? or would you rather keep silent and ignor that text?
Dan
Shad.

You have RIPPED OUT ROM 7: 12 from your heart and mind. You may aswell RIP OUT HEB 8: 10 aswell and RIP OUT GOD who gave those PERFECT and HOLY LAW to mankind. You have SPAT OUT his LAW from your HEART & MIND and HE WILL SPIT YOU OUT aswell!
You are a sheep of another shepherd and NOT of the GOOD & TRUE Shepherd!

Dan
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#5 May 24, 2012
Law trashers = Jesus haters and mockers of His blood
Dennis

Yucaipa, CA

#6 May 24, 2012
And Jesus answered them,“See that no one leads you astray. (5) For many will come in my name, saying,‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. Matt. 24:4-5.

And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. (12) And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. Matt. 24:11-12.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (18) For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matt. 5: 17-18.

Jesus taught LAWFULNESS; Paul taught lawlessness. Choose you this day whom you will serve.
DANNO

London, UK

#7 May 24, 2012
Romans 5:20
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more.

Would the HOLY Spirit inspire such message?

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#8 May 24, 2012
1st Cor 1: 25
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

Would the HOLY Spirit inspire such message?

Dan
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#9 May 24, 2012
yoyo wrote:
Law trashers = Jesus haters and mockers of His blood
Yep, those who teach lawlessness are to be blamed for this mess.

The 'law'(God's law) had no beginning and does not have an end and we now call that law the Common Law.(See Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1856)

This is the law that Lucifer broke way before Adam was around, causing sin to be established in this world.

Jesus ratified that the law can be obeyed and verified it in His words. This is the same law that will be used at judgment time to judge the sheep and goats. Those who keep all of it are the sheep--who by the way NEVER quetion the law, they just keep it. On the otherhand, the goats piss and moan about the law and not only question it, but refuse to abide by it.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#10 May 24, 2012
yoyo wrote:
Law trashers = Jesus haters and mockers of His blood
Agreed.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#11 May 24, 2012
How is Christ the "End of the Law"? A Closer Look at Romans 10:4 by Doug Ward, PhD

See http://www.godward.org/archives/Special%20Art...

"... telos can also be rendered "goal'' or "purpose''. If telos has this meaning in Rom. 10:4, then the verse may not be making a negative statement about "the law'' at all.

It turns out that each of these interpretations of telos in Romans 10:4 is currently upheld by large numbers of Christians. Those who believe that telos means "goal" or "purpose" in this verse can point to scriptures like I Tim. 1:5, Rom. 6:21-22, or James 5:11, in which telos clearly has that meaning...."

"How can we determine what Paul was trying to say in this verse? To decide such a scriptural controversy, one ideally should take into account three kinds of information:

1) The history of the way the passage in question has been interpreted by the Christian community through the centuries.

2) The ways in which a questionable word is used in other texts, especially other biblical texts with similar grammatical constructions.

3) The meaning of the passage in its immediate context and in the larger context of the book in which it appears.

Fortunately, all three types of information about Romans 10:4 are available in the book Christ the End of the Law: Romans 10.4 in Pauline Perspective (JSOT Press, Sheffield, England, 1985), the doctoral dissertation of Robert Badenas, an evangelical New Testament scholar. In this article, I will summarize Badenas findings, which present a clear resolution to our question about the meaning of the phrase "Christ is the end of the law.""
DANNO

London, UK

#12 May 24, 2012
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed.
conkie.

is your cat still a virgin?
birdman

Arthur, IL

#13 May 24, 2012
post #! IS ALL LIES BY Shadrach and his FALSE BELIEFS
birdman

Arthur, IL

#14 May 24, 2012
yoyo wrote:
Law trashers = Jesus haters and mockers of His blood
CORRECT!!!!!!!
DANNO

London, UK

#15 May 24, 2012
Where is Sharach?
Do you think post No2 was a bit painfull for him to digest?

Will he make a reply to post No2 or just ignore it when he returns? If he returns?

How come old Grammy J has NOT jumped in to defend him?

Dan
Shadrack

Santa Clara, CA

#16 May 24, 2012
The Jews are still under the Law, they are still being tudored, read what God declares;

10 Brethren,[with all] my heart’s desire and goodwill for [Israel], I long and pray to God that they may be saved.

2 I bear them witness that they have a [certain] zeal and enthusiasm for God, but it is not enlightened and according to [correct and vital] knowledge.

BEING STUPID

3 For being ignorant of the righteousness that God ascribes [which makes one acceptable to Him in word, thought, and deed] and seeking to establish a righteousness (a means of salvation) of their own, they did not obey or submit themselves to God’s righteousness.

4 For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him.

5 For Moses writes that the man who [can] practice the righteousness (perfect conformity to God’s will) which is based on the Law [with all its intricate demands] shall live by it.Rom 10

18 For if the inheritance [of the promise depends on observing] the Law [as these false teachers would like you to believe], it no longer [depends] on the promise; however, God gave it to Abraham [as a free gift solely] by virtue of His promise.

19 What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made. And it [the Law] was arranged and ordained and appointed through the instrumentality of angels [and was given] by the hand (in the person) of a go-between [Moses, an intermediary person between God and man].

Spiritual Life is not through the Law

21 Is the Law then contrary and opposed to the promises of God? Of course not! For if a Law had been given which could confer [spiritual] life, then righteousness and right standing with God would certainly have come by Law.

22 But the Scriptures [picture all mankind as sinners] shut up and imprisoned by sin, so that [the inheritance, blessing] which was promised through faith in Jesus Christ (the Messiah) might be given (released, delivered, and committed) to [all] those who believe [who adhere to and trust in and rely on Him].

Which means the Jews were in bondage and kept by the Law till Christ was revealed, the RIGHTEOUSNESS APART FROM THE LAW in which they still have not accepted...neither have you sda's

23 Now before the faith came, we were perpetually guarded under the Law, kept in custody in preparation for the faith that was destined to be revealed (unveiled, disclosed),

24 So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.

25 But now that the faith has come, we are no longer under a trainer (the guardian of our childhood).

26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.
Gal 3
GODS CONCLUSION :

HIS SON IS THE END OF THE LAW

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WHY

Because now those in CHRIST are presented HIS NEW GOSPEL a BETTER Covenant,

a BETTER LAW Heb 7:22 Heb 8:9, 13

With the New High Priest Jesus Christ, there is a change of Law Heb 7:12

For there to be a New Law, God has to END the OLD law

All the scriptures are in harmony and support one another

And not one of you can present proof of the OLD LAW that scriptures clearly declare has ENDED, is still applicable in the Gospel

IT DOES NOT EXIST

this is why we do not find a sabbath commandment,
nor sac laws, feats laws, moral laws of condemnation

it has ended
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#17 May 24, 2012
Shadrack wrote:
HIS SON IS THE END OF THE LAW
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WHY
Because now those in CHRIST are presented HIS NEW GOSPEL a BETTER Covenant,
a BETTER LAW Heb 7:22 Heb 8:9, 13
With the New High Priest Jesus Christ, there is a change of Law Heb 7:12
For there to be a New Law, God has to END the OLD law
All the scriptures are in harmony and support one another
And not one of you can present proof of the OLD LAW that scriptures clearly declare has ENDED, is still applicable in the Gospel
IT DOES NOT EXIST
this is why we do not find a sabbath commandment,
nor sac laws, feats laws, moral laws of condemnation
it has ended
So Shadrack, isn't that teaching lawlessness? If there is now no law, I suppose it would be ok for me to come over to your house and sleep with your wife tonight--right?

LOL--You got lots of explaining to do.
DANNO

London, UK

#18 May 24, 2012
Shadrack wrote:
The Jews are still under the Law, they are still being tudored, read what God declares;
10 Brethren,[with all] my heart’s desire and goodwill for [Israel], I long and pray to God that they may be saved.
2 I bear them witness that they have a [certain] zeal and enthusiasm for God, but it is not enlightened and according to [correct and vital] knowledge.
BEING STUPID
Gal 3
GODS CONCLUSION :
HIS SON IS THE END OF THE LAW
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WHY
Because now those in CHRIST are presented HIS NEW GOSPEL a BETTER Covenant,
a BETTER LAW Heb 7:22 Heb 8:9, 13
With the New High Priest Jesus Christ, there is a change of Law Heb 7:12
For there to be a New Law, God has to END the OLD law
All the scriptures are in harmony and support one another
And not one of you can present proof of the OLD LAW that scriptures clearly declare has ENDED, is still applicable in the Gospel
IT DOES NOT EXIST
this is why we do not find a sabbath commandment,
nor sac laws, feats laws, moral laws of condemnation
it has ended
Shad.
Was it GOD or SATAN who blinded your spiritual eyes from ROM 7: 12 and post No2 on your new thread?
If you turn your EAR from the LAW of GOD, all your prayers and worship will be an ABOMINATION to the GOD of MOSES!! Prov 28: 9
Are you aware of this? or are you thinking in RIPPING OUT Prov 28: 9 along with ROM 7: 12 ??????

Dan
birdman

Arthur, IL

#19 May 24, 2012
post 16 most all lies and is false teaching by SHADRACH.
DANNO

London, UK

#20 May 24, 2012
For Shadrach EYES only.

New International Version (©1984)
If anyone turns a deaf ear to the law, even his prayers are detestable.

New Living Translation (©2007)
God detests the prayers of a person who ignores the law.

English Standard Version (©2001)
If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
He who turns away his ear from listening to the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
He that shuts his ears that he will not hear the Law, even his prayer is defiled.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Surely the prayer of someone who refuses to listen to [God's] teachings is disgusting.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

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