Why is it so hard to rescue SDA Cult ...
Tony

Alexandria, Australia

#63 Nov 23, 2011
shawn3712 wrote:
<quoted text>
what scripture is fallable ?
Shawn, why didn't you answer my question with an answer? Why are you asking me a question for a question?

Shawn, do you believe Ellen and SDA and you have perfect interpretation of entire Scripture?

If yes, then do you really claim Ellen and you are infallible?

If no, then what part of Scripture have you misinterpreted?

God bless. Thank you for answering me.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#64 Nov 23, 2011
>do you believe Ellen and SDA and you have perfect interpretation of entire Scripture?

Not a teaching in the SDA church or by EGW. In fact, she roughly taught the opposite.
Tony

Alexandria, Australia

#65 Nov 23, 2011
djconklin wrote:
>do you believe Ellen and SDA and you have perfect interpretation of entire Scripture?
Not a teaching in the SDA church or by EGW. In fact, she roughly taught the opposite.
Amen. Thank you David.

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#66 Nov 23, 2011
djconklin wrote:
>Adventist leaders, Adventists churches and even regional conferences are now admiring Ellen White was WRONG about their interpretation of Daniel and Revelation about Islam!
And the link refers to ONE person!
If I show you one hundred (100) people you will STILL not believe.

You had fallen in love with Ellen White and once hypnotized with her seductiveness it is very difficult to exit the cult.

Once you drink of her wine, you can not go back!

I know, I was there, but to the grace of God alone, I left. Now I am free from legalizm and false prophecies.

The list:

Attached is a partial list of former SDA workers, mostly ordained ministers, who have been fired, pressured to resign, or reassigned voluntarily because they could not conscientiously "believe in Ellen White to some degree or another, or accept her visions as real". Their refusal to preach extrabiblical church doctrines led to excruciating circumstances and decisions for many who loved their church and wished only to proclaim God's Word unhindered by human traditions and creeds.

We ask our readers to supply us with any additions or corrections to this list

Albertson, Ivan, Teacher: Central California Conference
Bailey, Mike, Pashr: Oregon Conference
Barren, Grahem, Pastor: New Zealand
Bassch, Eric, Pastor: South Africa
Bassch, Eugene, Colporteur: South Africa
Bean, Harvey and Marlie, Teachers: Oregon Conference
Broad, Ray, Teacher: New Zealand
Broomhaul, Rod, Pastor: North Queensland, Australia
Bruington, Dean, Pastor: Iowa Conference
Campbell, Francis: President South African Union
Cannaday, Ron, Arizona
Cary, Tom, Pastor: South Africa
Chambers, Joe, Pastor : Western Australia
Champaign, Gary, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference
Coon, Glenn 111, Pastor: West Virginia - Mt. View Conference
Crandall, Alan, Doctoral Student: Andrews University
De Villiers, Brian, Worker South Africa
Dennis, Travis, Pastor Texas Conference
Dorsey, Ruth, Teacher: Washington Conference
Douglas, Gary, Pastor: West Virginia Mt. View Conference
Edwards, Calvin, Pastor: Missouri Conference
Ernesto Hernandez, CaliforniaAgafonoff, Sergie, Pastor,: Brisbane, Australia
Fahden, Lyall, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Finney, Conrad, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Ford, Desmond, Religion Professor: Australasian Division
Fredericks, Richard, Maryland
Garrison, Gary, Pastor: Central California Conference
Geddes, Charles, Teacher: Colorado Conference
Greenley, Ray, Pastor: Ohio Conference
Harper, John, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Harris, Ed, Pastor: Washington - Upper Columbia Conf.
Helppi, Rauno, Pastor: Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference
Higby, Bob, Pastor: Wisconsin Conference
Higby, Wally, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Honeycutt, Ronald, Pastor: Florida Conference
Hood, Paul, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#67 Nov 23, 2011
Howard, Turner, Pastor: Georgia- Cumberland Conference
Howell, Dan, Teacher: Florida Conference
Huston, Ed, Pastor: Washington Conference
Jenner, Loren, Pastor: South Australia
Johnson, Rick, Teacher: Missouri Conference
Kaikainahaule, Bill, Pastor: Southern California Conference
Kellar, Don, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Kluzit, Victor, Pastor/Lit. Evang.: Texas Conference
Knight, David, Teacher: Colorado Conference
Kress, Michael, Graduate Student: Andrews University
LaBrecque, Alexander, Pastor: West Virginia-Mt. View Conference
Lamp, Herschel, M.D.: St. Helena Hosp.(Calif.)
Lawson, Chris, Teacher: Ontario Conference
Lemon, Duane, Pastor: Southern California Conference
Ludwig, Doug, Pastor: Kansas Conference
Luster, Chuck, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference
Maraccini, Rocky, California
Martin, Colin, Pastor: England
Martin, J. Mark
Mason, Noel, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Masters, George, Teacher: Central California Conference
McCauley, Norman, Pastor: Northern New England Conference
McCormack, Kevin, Pastor: Southern California Conference
McHarg, Winston, Pastor: Australia
McMurphy, Elmore, College Professor: Pacific Union College
Merrill, Ben, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Moorehead, Doug, Teacher: Florida Conference
Moran, Don, Literature Evangelist: Central California Conference
Newman, Ray, Pastor: New South Wales, Australia
Palmer, Bob, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Pangborn, Tom, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Parkin, Herb, Pastor: Western Australia
Patterson, Mark, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Peck, Clay, Colorado
Peisert, Greg, Pastor : Iowa Conference
Pitman, Hughie, Pastor: Florida Conference
Pobke, Wayne, Pastor: South Australia
Polglase, John, Pastor: Western Australia
Pursley, Mkhael, Pastor: Pennsylvania Conference
Ralph, Kevin, Pastor: Australia
Rapp, Jim, Pastor: Southern California Conference
Ratzlaff, Dale, Pastor: Central California Conference
Rea, Walter, Pastor: Southern California Conference
Rendalen, Aage, Editor: Norway (actually withdrew from church over doctrinal reasons, not fired)
Retief, P.J., Pastor: South Africa
Rollings, Dean, Pastor: Queensland, Australia
Ruppert, Greg, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Saladino, Joe, Pastor: Kansas Conference
Schafer, Gary, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Schuster, Craig, Pastor: Alabama-Mississippi Conference
Sellers, Dennis, Evangelist : Washington - Upper Columbia Conf.
Shumate, Gordon, Pastor: Singapore
Smith, Neville, Pastor: South Australia (Victoria)
Stambaugh, R. Glen: Oregon Conference of SDA
Suessenbach, Heinz, Pastor: Western Australia
Summers, Lloyd, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Swanepoel, Martin, Pastor : South Africa (Transvaal Conf.)
Taylor, Greg, North Carolina
Toews, John, Pastor: Southeastern California Conference
van Rooyen, Smuts, Religion Prof.: Andrews University
Vorhies, Wayne, Pastor: Colorado Conference
Waterhouse, Wayne, Pastor: Texas Conference
Waterworth, David, Pastor: South Australia
Weaver, Bruce, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference
Wells, Dan, Pastor: Southeastern California Conference
Willruth, Bart, Doctoral Student: Andrews University
Winger, Nordon, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Zapara, John, Pastor: Northern California Conference

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#68 Nov 23, 2011
djconklin wrote:
>Adventist leaders, Adventists churches and even regional conferences are now admiring Ellen White was WRONG about their interpretation of Daniel and Revelation about Islam!
And the link refers to ONE person!
(REPOST)

Even if I show you one hundred people you will not believe cause you are blind.

You had drink of her seductiveness and can not go back to reality.

I left thankd to the grace of God and now I am free from legalism.

The list:

Attached is a partial list of former SDA workers, mostly ordained ministers, who have been fired, pressured to resign, or reassigned voluntarily because they could not conscientiously "believe in Ellen White to some degree or another, or accept her visions as real". Their refusal to preach extrabiblical church doctrines led to excruciating circumstances and decisions for many who loved their church and wished only to proclaim God's Word unhindered by human traditions and creeds.

We ask our readers to supply us with any additions or corrections to this list

Albertson, Ivan, Teacher: Central California Conference
Bailey, Mike, Pashr: Oregon Conference
Barren, Grahem, Pastor: New Zealand
Bassch, Eric, Pastor: South Africa
Bassch, Eugene, Colporteur: South Africa
Bean, Harvey and Marlie, Teachers: Oregon Conference
Broad, Ray, Teacher: New Zealand
Broomhaul, Rod, Pastor: North Queensland, Australia
Bruington, Dean, Pastor: Iowa Conference
Campbell, Francis: President South African Union
Cannaday, Ron, Arizona
Cary, Tom, Pastor: South Africa
Chambers, Joe, Pastor : Western Australia
Champaign, Gary, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference
Coon, Glenn 111, Pastor: West Virginia - Mt. View Conference
Crandall, Alan, Doctoral Student: Andrews University
De Villiers, Brian, Worker South Africa
Dennis, Travis, Pastor Texas Conference
Dorsey, Ruth, Teacher: Washington Conference
Douglas, Gary, Pastor: West Virginia Mt. View Conference
Edwards, Calvin, Pastor: Missouri Conference
Ernesto Hernandez, CaliforniaAgafonoff, Sergie, Pastor,: Brisbane, Australia
Fahden, Lyall, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Finney, Conrad, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Ford, Desmond, Religion Professor: Australasian Division
Fredericks, Richard, Maryland
Garrison, Gary, Pastor: Central California Conference
Geddes, Charles, Teacher: Colorado Conference
Greenley, Ray, Pastor: Ohio Conference
Harper, John, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Harris, Ed, Pastor: Washington - Upper Columbia Conf.
Helppi, Rauno, Pastor: Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference
Higby, Bob, Pastor: Wisconsin Conference
Higby, Wally, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Honeycutt, Ronald, Pastor: Florida Conference
Hood, Paul, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#69 Nov 23, 2011
http://www.bible.ca/7-white-inpsired-100-past...

but her is Mr. Adventist realizing how wrong he is about Adventism.

Now Islam is the new Adventist fashion.

TIM ROSENBERG, is teaching several Adventist pastors to admit that Ellen White was wrong and that HE found the hiden truth about Islam.

And the Conference KNOWS about it!!!

Download his audio or see his video, especially the third one,#3, the last one where he claims God shown him the Islam-End-Time-Conneciton I been preaching for many years now.

http://www.sealingtime.com/media/productions/...

ADVENTISM ADMITS IT IS CLUELESS ABOUT ISLAM.
Tony

Alexandria, Australia

#70 Nov 23, 2011
Why isn't my name on that list?:)

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#72 Nov 24, 2011
Tony wrote:
Why isn't my name on that list?:)
You don't want to be on that list.

Do you personally know any of those people? I don't. Never heard of them. For all we know they could be made up names.
Tony

Australia

#73 Nov 25, 2011
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>You don't want to be on that list.
Do you personally know any of those people? I don't. Never heard of them. For all we know they could be made up names.
Yes brother David, I know some of those people on the list, for example, Desmond Ford, Joe Chambers, Ray Newman, Wayne Pobke, but I have never heard of the rest.

God bless.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#74 Nov 25, 2011
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
(REPOST)
.
The list:

Attached is a partial list of former SDA workers, mostly ordained ministers, who have been fired, pressured to resign, or reassigned voluntarily because they could not conscientiously "believe in Ellen White to some degree or another, or accept her visions as real".

Their refusal to preach extrabiblical church doctrines led to excruciating circumstances and decisions for many who loved their church and wished only to proclaim God's Word unhindered by human traditions and creeds.
We ask our readers to supply us with any additions or corrections to this list
While the extra Biblical doctrines are not named

they all left due to the denial of 1844.
An exodus for all the wrong reason always ensues.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#75 Nov 25, 2011
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes brother David, I know some of those people on the list, for example, Desmond Ford, Joe Chambers, Ray Newman, Wayne Pobke, but I have never heard of the rest.
God bless.
CONklin is in agreement to 1844 and you are not;
yet you say he is your Brother?

The list you presented are also deniers of 1844.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#76 Nov 25, 2011
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>You don't want to be on that list.
Do you personally know any of those people? I don't. Never heard of them. For all we know they could be made up names.

Yes brother David, I know some of those people on the list, for example, Desmond Ford, Joe Chambers, Ray Newman, Wayne Pobke, but I have never heard of the rest.
Then you know that Des Ford was not removed from the SDA church because he didn't believe in EGW.
Doug SDA

Denver, CO

#77 Nov 25, 2011
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
If I show you one hundred (100) people you will STILL not believe.
You had fallen in love with Ellen White and once hypnotized with her seductiveness it is very difficult to exit the cult.
Once you drink of her wine, you can not go back!
I know, I was there, but to the grace of God alone, I left. Now I am free from legalizm and false prophecies.
The list:
Attached is a partial list of former SDA workers, mostly ordained ministers, who have been fired, pressured to resign, or reassigned voluntarily because they could not conscientiously "believe in Ellen White to some degree or another, or accept her visions as real". Their refusal to preach extrabiblical church doctrines led to excruciating circumstances and decisions for many who loved their church and wished only to proclaim God's Word unhindered by human traditions and creeds.
We ask our readers to supply us with any additions or corrections to this list
Albertson, Ivan, Teacher: Central California Conference
Bailey, Mike, Pashr: Oregon Conference
Barren, Grahem, Pastor: New Zealand
Bassch, Eric, Pastor: South Africa
Bassch, Eugene, Colporteur: South Africa
Bean, Harvey and Marlie, Teachers: Oregon Conference
Broad, Ray, Teacher: New Zealand
Broomhaul, Rod, Pastor: North Queensland, Australia
Bruington, Dean, Pastor: Iowa Conference
Campbell, Francis: President South African Union
Cannaday, Ron, Arizona
Cary, Tom, Pastor: South Africa
Chambers, Joe, Pastor : Western Australia
Champaign, Gary, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference
Coon, Glenn 111, Pastor: West Virginia - Mt. View Conference
Crandall, Alan, Doctoral Student: Andrews University
De Villiers, Brian, Worker South Africa
Dennis, Travis, Pastor Texas Conference
Dorsey, Ruth, Teacher: Washington Conference
Douglas, Gary, Pastor: West Virginia Mt. View Conference
Edwards, Calvin, Pastor: Missouri Conference
Ernesto Hernandez, CaliforniaAgafonoff, Sergie, Pastor,: Brisbane, Australia
Fahden, Lyall, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Finney, Conrad, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Ford, Desmond, Religion Professor: Australasian Division
Fredericks, Richard, Maryland
Garrison, Gary, Pastor: Central California Conference
Geddes, Charles, Teacher: Colorado Conference
Greenley, Ray, Pastor: Ohio Conference
Harper, John, Pastor: Oregon Conference
Harris, Ed, Pastor: Washington - Upper Columbia Conf.
Helppi, Rauno, Pastor: Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference
Higby, Bob, Pastor: Wisconsin Conference
Higby, Wally, Pastor: Northern California Conference
Honeycutt, Ronald, Pastor: Florida Conference
Hood, Paul, Pastor: Arkansas-Louisiana Conference
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Hebrews 12:27

A few are shaken out while millions remain.

The remnant .... keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17

The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10

The testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
So that you come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Corinthians 1:6-7

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#79 Nov 25, 2011
Al Kuffar wrote:
<quoted text>
You got that right. Islam is connected with Mark of the beast--even Samuele R. Bacchiocchi knew that. But the sda gooses got their heads so far up their asses they believe it's gotta do with Sunday.
But SDA is waking up, Tim Roosenberg is proof of that!!!

The sad part is that he claims God told him, knowing that we Islam-End-Time-Paradigm scholars being preaching it long BEFORE September 11, 2001.

Tim Roosenberg, welcome to the club! Late but sure.

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#80 Nov 25, 2011
Tony

Australia

#81 Nov 25, 2011
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
CONklin is in agreement to 1844 and you are not;
yet you say he is your Brother?
The list you presented are also deniers of 1844.
Lay Worker, David is my brother because he has faith in Jesus.

And Lay Worker, you need to come back to Scripture alone.

God bless.
Tony

Australia

#82 Nov 25, 2011
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>Then you know that Des Ford was not removed from the SDA church because he didn't believe in EGW.
Hi David.

Desmond told me personally why he is no longer a member of the SDA. So I heard the reason direct from his lips. It's because Desmond questioned and challenged and disagreed with the Investigative Judgement and Sanctuary Doctrine. So he was given an choice, leave or be fired.

God bless.
Tony

Australia

#83 Nov 25, 2011
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
But SDA is waking up..
Not according to Ellen. She taught that most Adventists will reject the latter rain and will not make it.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#84 Nov 26, 2011
>Desmond told me personally why he is no longer a member of the SDA. So I heard the reason direct from his lips. It's because Desmond questioned and challenged and disagreed with the Investigative Judgement and Sanctuary Doctrine. So he was given an choice, leave or be fired.

And you believed every word, eh?

He was at a luncheon at someone's house one day and was asked if he was every wrong on anything. His reply was along the lines of that he had never been wrong anything that dealt with theology. Do you believe that about anyone you know? Would you have the gall to say that about yourself? You've seen in your own experience how easy it is to go wrong.

A friend of mine was a secretary at a library and heard him mutter something like "I've got to prove I'm right." Wouldn't it better to find the truth and defend that? That's the approach I take--I "learned" to reject his approach way back in when I was a little kid.

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