Impregnation by a Spirit?
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#1 Feb 3, 2012

Just for the sake of discussion, could Satan as an evil spirit impregnate a human female?

If the Angels of old could shape shift and impregnate the daughters om men why not?

What would be the bio chemical process that a being of energy(presumably) would convert that energy into DNA and create a fetus.

Would that converted DNA be an image of the spiritual being or would the energy to mass conversion alter the characteristics that the energy being had?

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#2 Feb 3, 2012
postroad2 wrote:
Just for the sake of discussion, could Satan as an evil spirit impregnate a human female?
If the Angels of old could shape shift and impregnate the daughters om men why not?
What would be the bio chemical process that a being of energy(presumably) would convert that energy into DNA and create a fetus.
Would that converted DNA be an image of the spiritual being or would the energy to mass conversion alter the characteristics that the energy being had?
Blasphemy.

How can a creation become a Creator? He cannot. He is not God so why are you putting him up there with God?

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#4 Feb 3, 2012
Sabbath Keeper Forever wrote:
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Blasphemy.
How can a creation become a Creator? He cannot. He is not God so why are you putting him up there with God?
Why would you say it is impossible?. The Nephilim were offspring of such unions.

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#5 Feb 3, 2012
The Power of Truth wrote:
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Is the bird turd trying to sneak up on us?
Why do you guys always speak in the plural?

I think you are one guy under different user names.
A Voice In The Wilderness

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Feb 3, 2012
postroad2 wrote:
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Why would you say it is impossible?. The Nephilim were offspring of such unions.
And yet there is no Biblical basis for such an idea. This 'doctrine' is but an offspring of the perverted minds of sinful men.

"The sons of God came into the daughters of men". What is the Biblical definition of a 'son of God'(not THE Son of God).
birdman

Arthur, IL

#7 Feb 3, 2012
The Power of Truth wrote:
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Is the bird turd trying to sneak up on us?
No stupid I dont change my name.

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#15 Feb 3, 2012
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
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And yet there is no Biblical basis for such an idea. This 'doctrine' is but an offspring of the perverted minds of sinful men.
"The sons of God came into the daughters of men". What is the Biblical definition of a 'son of God'(not THE Son of God).
Angels. And wasn't Satan an angel also?

Are we to understand that heavenly beings are also flesh and blood?

That God and the heavenly host have penises and nipples?
A Voice In The Wilderness

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Feb 3, 2012
postroad2 wrote:
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Angels. And wasn't Satan an angel also?
Are we to understand that heavenly beings are also flesh and blood?
That God and the heavenly host have penises and nipples?
I asked what the Bible says, not human opinion.
Earburner

Merrimac, MA

#18 Feb 3, 2012
postroad2 wrote:
Just for the sake of discussion, could Satan as an evil spirit impregnate a human female?
If the Angels of old could shape shift and impregnate the daughters om men why not?
What would be the bio chemical process that a being of energy(presumably) would convert that energy into DNA and create a fetus.
Would that converted DNA be an image of the spiritual being or would the energy to mass conversion alter the characteristics that the energy being had?
Only God CAN CREATED LIFE out of non living atoms, of which did also create the atom!
To THINK otherwise is to invite "that spirit of antichrist".

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#19 Feb 3, 2012
We Rule Here Not You wrote:
You delete it
we will just put it back.
And we will petition the Lord on behalf of you and your family.
Don't tell me, That wouldn't be a good thing?

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#20 Feb 3, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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Only God CAN CREATED LIFE out of non living atoms, of which did also create the atom!
To THINK otherwise is to invite "that spirit of antichrist".
First we have to resolve if in fact angels did or did not procreate with human women?

And if they are spirit beings how they managed to do this.
A Voice In The Wilderness

Philadelphia, PA

#21 Feb 3, 2012
postroad2 wrote:
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First we have to resolve if in fact angels did or did not procreate with human women?
And if they are spirit beings how they managed to do this.
Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. Why is it so hard for the professed followers of Jesus to simply look into the Bible, compare Scripture with Scripture that they may gain understanding? Is it because you know the Word of God will prove your ideas fallacious? Why do ye continue to choose darkness rather than light?

"He(Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:10-13

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Romans 8:14

"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." 1 John 3:1,2

"Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world." Philippians 2:14,15

Who are the sons of God? Those who are led by God, who are living holy lives to His name. Genesis 6 speaks of the righteous human beings who were faithful to JEHOVAH and lived in harmony with His law and His principles. Because they willfully chose not to indulge in sin like the rest of the wicked all around them, their bodies and minds did not degenerate as fast as the rest of earth's inhabitants. These are the giants spoken of before the flood.

After Adam's fall the human body began to diminish in size, strength, and mental capacity/power; it was because of continual indulgence in sin that this happened. The more that the humans were exposed and poisoned by sin, the faster that this process took place. In their purity, the righteous, the sons of God, did not diminish as fast as the rest the world. Thus, within centuries there developed a marked difference, particularly in size, between the wicked, "the sons and daughters of men", and the pure righteous, the "sons and daughters of God".

Just as today, the wicked became absorbed in outward appearance and selfish, fleshly gratification. As the wickedness grew, so did the outward 'beauty' of the unrighteous women on account of the face painting(make-up), jewelry, revealing attire, and all sorts of adornment. Some of the righteous, pure 'giants' became enticed, gave in to lust, turned from the path of righteousness, and mingled themselves with the unrighteous, producing offspring which bore some of the characteristics of the righteous 'giants'. These children were not brought up in righteousness in most instances, yet they bore the marked increase in size and wisdom which they inherited from their fathers. This was an abomination in the sight of God, as we read in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18:

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God...

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

The Bible is exceedingly clear. Angels cannot procreate, nor can they impregnate. It was righteous men mingling in marriage and sexual relations with the unrighteous women. End of story.

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#22 Feb 3, 2012
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
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Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. Why is it so hard for the professed followers of Jesus to simply look into the Bible, compare Scripture with Scripture that they may gain understanding? Is it because you know the Word of God will prove your ideas fallacious? Why do ye continue to choose darkness rather than light?

The Bible is exceedingly clear. Angels cannot procreate, nor can they impregnate. It was righteous men mingling in marriage and sexual relations with the unrighteous women. End of story.
I don't think so. Neither did Peter.
2 Peter 2:4-5
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them into gloomy dungeons[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
Or Jude.
Jude 1:5-7
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[a] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own homeĀ—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Or Paul.

1 Corinthians 11:9-11

New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)

9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.
11 In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.

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#23 Feb 3, 2012
Alright lets try it from a different angle. How did the Holy Spirit impregnate Mary?

Was the fetus Jesus half human and half God?

Did the Holy Spirit transform itself into human chromosome?
SGT

Garden City, NY

#24 Feb 4, 2012

There are about 10 verses where "sons of God" is used and it ALWAYS refers to God's people. Only once are these angelic. NEVER is "sons of God" the fallen angels. See Matthew Henry commentary. He understood this back in the 1700s.

1 Jo 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:"

We must ask why the false doctine exists. I believe it is two-fold:

1. Remove sin as the cause for the reason God destroyed earth with the flood. Instead they claim it was due to corrupt genetics.(i.e. Noah's generations were the only without corruption)

2. This is a very ancient false doctrine not a new creation as some claim. At least parts of the book of Enoch was found among the DSS and is used by the angel had babies advocates. Gnosticism today leans heavily on the book of Enoch. Since people in high places are the Gnostics (illuminati, ect) they sometimes make these claims they have a superior bloodline. This may be where the term "blue blood" came from.

Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#25 Feb 4, 2012
postroad2 wrote:
Alright lets try it from a different angle. How did the Holy Spirit impregnate Mary?
Was the fetus Jesus half human and half God?
Did the Holy Spirit transform itself into human chromosome?
Hi :)

The same way the rest of creation was created...God spoke it into existence.

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

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#26 Feb 4, 2012
SGT wrote:
There are about 10 verses where "sons of God" is used and it ALWAYS refers to God's people. Only once are these angelic. NEVER is "sons of God" the fallen angels. See Matthew Henry commentary. He understood this back in the 1700s.
1 Jo 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:"
We must ask why the false doctine exists. I believe it is two-fold:
1. Remove sin as the cause for the reason God destroyed earth with the flood. Instead they claim it was due to corrupt genetics.(i.e. Noah's generations were the only without corruption)
2. This is a very ancient false doctrine not a new creation as some claim. At least parts of the book of Enoch was found among the DSS and is used by the angel had babies advocates. Gnosticism today leans heavily on the book of Enoch. Since people in high places are the Gnostics (illuminati, ect) they sometimes make these claims they have a superior bloodline. This may be where the term "blue blood" came from.
And yet the term Sons of God clearly referes to angels in the OT.

Only in the NT is the term used for humans.

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God d for joy?


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#27 Feb 4, 2012
Gabriella wrote:
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Hi :)
The same way the rest of creation was created...God spoke it into existence.
Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
Are you saying that Jesus was conceived in the same manner as every other person including Job?

There was a penis involved?

Since: Jul 09

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#28 Feb 4, 2012
Gabriella wrote:
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Hi :)
The same way the rest of creation was created...God spoke it into existence.
Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

Are you saying that Jesus was conceived in the same manner as every other person including Job?
She said nothing of the sort.

>There was a penis involved?

Guess who, has what fixation.

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#29 Feb 4, 2012
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>She said nothing of the sort.
>There was a penis involved?
Guess who, has what fixation.
Did she not imply that Jesus was conceived in the same manner as Job?

Or was Job also conceived in a manner not common to all people?

My guess would be that you have some problem with the manner of natural procreation.

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