Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#83 Dec 11, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
Correction: f hired I could become the very first French Canadian to work as an adventist minister in the history of the Conference.
The blind leading the blind!
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#84 Dec 11, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
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RR
I like you even though you do not understand somethings you say are human wise. The universe is looking on .
GOD has prophets and few of them are well received.
It is common to hear you say what you do about EGW. Look in the bible and see how the treat goos prophets and that is how you treat EGw.
Think on this TEXT
"WHAT YE HAVE DONE UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHRENYE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME "
"IT IS NOT YOU THEY HATE BUT ME THEY HATE"
That should slow down the blame game.
then you must put the blame on Jesus for His prophecy in Rev. 2:18-24 about EGW and those like sky would have been nice bond servants for Jesus, but for their hooked upon the teachings of EGW. Don't blame me, blame Jesus. I don't hate EGW as she is long dead. I just hate evil and refuse to pull any punches about the real truth--that being the words of Jesus. Now, have you EVER found where I showed hate for the words of JEsus? NO! and you never will.

But all of those who profess to be christians but keep slapping the face of Jesus by worshiping the god and jesus Paul invented, then those I am simply attempting to point out the real truth to.

Now, back to Leo Schreven and the search for his killer!

Since: Jul 08

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#85 Dec 11, 2012
At last I graduated and accompanied by my wife, I met with the president of the Quebec Conference in the cafeteria of the college to discuss the possibility of my being hired as an intern. If hired I could become the very first French Canadian to work as an adventist minister in the history of the Conference.

I was assigned to work as an intern at the Quebec city church under the supervision of a "seasoned" minister. I will never forget how, one day, as I was giving a Bible study to a very old and poor man, the minister sat down with me and explain that I should not waste my time with people who had no tithe to return to the church. That he had received directives from the Conference that they were going to close the church's doors unless more money could be brought into the coffers of the church.

Shortly after that I began studying with a contractor and his wife. After one year of faithfully studying with them, they decided to get baptized. The day of the baptism I was sitting in the back of the church and as the minister walked by, he stopped, and with a big grin on his face whispered these words to me, "This is a big fish," and then walked away.

It became clear to me that it was not the work of saving souls that was paramount with the conference but who could raise the most money.

Next I studied with three students for about a year. The three of them were also baptized. This time the minister did not pat me on the shoulder for bringing more big fish into the church.

By this time I was beginning to sense that something just didn't add up with the leadership of the church but I did not know the cause of it. Not yet!

to be continued
__________

In the meantime we had begun reading a monthly magazine called "Layworker" and in one of them my wife had come across a note advertizing books written by A.T. Jones and E.J. Waggoner. She knew I was very much interested in the writings of these two men as messengers of God to the church more than a century ago. The books and the shipping were free. So without even telling me, she sent in a request.

Some time later, on the way home, we stopped at the post office. There was a box there waiting to be picked up. I asked my wife if she had any idea who these people were that had mailed this package to us and she said, "Yes!" She had forgotten to tell me about it. So as soon as we got back home I opened the package up to see what these books from Jones and Waggoner were. There were several books in the box but they were mostly from another author I had never heard of before by the name of F.T. Wright. Again I was very fascinated by the covers and titles of these books and as soon as as I was able to, I began reading them. The first ones I read bore these titles, FROM BONDAGE TO FREEDOM and LIVING RIGHTEOUSNESS. Wow! These books were very captivating. Their style of writing was different from anything I had ever seen and very articulate.

The problem was, a deadly error was hiding in these books but I was not yet able to detect it. It took a couple of years before the Lord was able to show it to me. Then I saw it for what it really was. These books were packed with beautiful truths, truths that I had never seen before both from the Bible and the Writings of E.G. White but all it takes is one subtle error that if received can lead someone away from the safe path.

I don't intend to go through all the details of my experience with this prolific author and the independent group he was leading but suffice it to say that we ended up, my wife and I, and several members of the churches I was pastoring at, joining this movement and for about three years I worked as a teacher among them.

to be continued
Robert Two

Australia

#86 Dec 11, 2012
I soon found out PAY UP AND SHUT UP !

EGWW says the TITHE is to go only to the GOSPEL WORK. So when the NEW THEOLOGY set in they were not saving people but keeping themselves in a JOB.
I then looked at the finaces for the whole coinference and found the methods used. We had an SHF factory producing MONEY where was it going?
I was not allowed to know. But was to our CONFERENCE was not self supporting but was sponsored from SYDNEY AUSTRALIA.
Even if only 10% of people paid tithe where was that going. Buying and selling property was one thing the church did very well.
We put money into an OLD PEOPLES HOME thinking we may need one soon. But as the property was now worth big money the Buildings were pulled down and the land sold at a great profit. The people that donated have no OLD PEOPLE HOME to go to nor were they asked as they donated the CASH.
It is a mony making system that keep[s them in a job. GOD has to fit in if and when he can.

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#87 Dec 12, 2012
F.T. Wright's basic teaching on righteousness by faith, which he claimed to be the true 1888 message, was that unless the "carnal mind" (Rom.8:7) was literally eradicated from us, we could never be born again. But in the summer of 1987, three years after I had accepted this teaching, while reading A.T. Jones' lectures from the 1895 General Conference Conference, I came upon the following words:

"Now the carnal mind being the mind of this world, the mind that controls the natural man, is enmity against God; and it puts man at enmity with God. It cannot be reconciled to God,'for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be;'(Rom.8:7) the only thing to be done is TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY IN SOME WAY. If that can be done, then the man will be reconciled to God, then the man is all right; he will be once again joined to God, and God's word, God's thoughts, God's suggestions can reach him once more to be his guide and his all-controlling power. And as the thing cannot be reconciled to God, THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT IS TO DESTROY IT. Then, only then, and by that means can men be at peace with God and separate from the world. And thank the Lord, He has given us the glad news that it is destroyed. As to HOW IT IS DONE, and how we can have the benefit of it, that will come in other studies." A.T. Jones, The Third Angel's Message, 1895 General Conference Bulletin, Lecture #11, p.192.

So I kept on reading until, in lecture #17 I found the "how it is done."

"Now I refer you also to page 192 of the Bulletin, to the lesson we studied on the destruction of that enmity...'You know that the Son of God has come, and has given us a mind.' 1 John 5:20. We had the carnal mind, the mind that followed Satan, and yielded to the flesh... In Jesus Christ it is DESTROYED by the divine mind which He brought into the flesh. By this divine mind HE PUT THE ENMITY UNDER FOOT, AND KEPT IT THERE. By this He condemened sin in the flesh. So there is our victory; it is all in having that mind which was in Him." p.329 of the Bulletin.

What a shock it was for me to read these words. Instead of being literally eradicated, the carnal mind is, by the mind of Christ, put under foot, and kept there!

Some time later I came across two very interesting statements from the pen of Ellen G. White in perfect harmony with A.T. Jones' teaching on the carnal mind in 1895 as he was proclaiming the third angel's message:

"Every truly converted soul will carry the unmistakable marks that the carnal mind is SUBDUED." Testimonies, Vol.1,163.

"Constant war against the carnal mind must be maintained." Testimonies, Vol.2, 479.

At the beginning of my testimony I did mention the fact that light is progressive and that we are to go from light to a greater light.

to be continued

Since: Jul 08

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#88 Dec 12, 2012
CORRECTION: while reading A.T. Jones' lectures from the 1895 General Conference BULLETIN...
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#89 Dec 12, 2012
Nice as you might feel about your testimony, this is not the place to share. Perhaps you can write a book about it for your family.
This thread has to do with Leo Schreven and if and why such a good boy killed himself on a Sabbath morning. Was he involved in some triangle?

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#90 Dec 12, 2012
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#91 Dec 12, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
Nice as you might feel about your testimony, this is not the place to share. Perhaps you can write a book about it for your family.
This thread has to do with Leo Schreven and if and why such a good boy killed himself on a Sabbath morning. Was he involved in some triangle?
good counsel
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#92 Dec 12, 2012
He is Coming Soon wrote:
www.scribd.com/doc/22629976/Th ey-Shall...
Laodicea will received greater damnation -

Rev 3:16
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#93 Dec 12, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
Nice as you might feel about your testimony, this is not the place to share. Perhaps you can write a book about it for your family.
This thread has to do with Leo Schreven and if and why such a good boy killed himself on a Sabbath morning. Was he involved in some triangle?
Thanks Debbie, Clearly Sky has been thru the 'mill' as many others have and we should not hold that against him. I have been saying for a long time that the work of Jones and company totally sidetracked Adventists into the false gospel of Paul--thereby taking one's eyes off the true words of Jesus.

Jesus said a house divided will not stand and that is what the Adventists built by combining Paul's words with the words of Jesus. Perhaps this is what Leo found out and could not deal with it. I would like to know the truth regarding Leo's death.
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#94 Dec 12, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks Debbie, Clearly Sky has been thru the 'mill' as many others have and we should not hold that against him. I have been saying for a long time that the work of Jones and company totally sidetracked Adventists into the false gospel of Paul--thereby taking one's eyes off the true words of Jesus.
Jesus said a house divided will not stand and that is what the Adventists built by combining Paul's words with the words of Jesus. Perhaps this is what Leo found out and could not deal with it. I would like to know the truth regarding Leo's death.
Rocky Bullwinkles attitude to the 'most precious message' is typical of the leaders back in 1888 and of the same whited sepulchres who prance around today.

Nothing new under the sun.

Since: Jul 08

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#95 Dec 12, 2012
As this was the central teaching of the independent movement my wife and I had joined, we saw little hope that the other members would accept the new light. We were left with no other choice but to go back to where we had come from. But we knew that all was not well in the mother church.

We knew all about the secret SDA/Evangelical meetings that had taken place between 1955 and 1957 involving compromises and repudiations concerning the pillars of our faith in order to be recognized by the wordly churches as a Christian denomination instead of an anti-christian cult.

This was the "crucifixion" between the first call and the second call of the parable of Matt.22. This time it was the crucifixion of Christ in the messages that had been entrusted to us. See Early Writings,261.2

The parable of Matt.22 is the parable of the Wedding Garment. It was believed that the church had, in 1962, rejected the second call of that parable (rejected the 1888 message all over again) and that therefore probation had closed for the church and that we were now living in the time of the third call of the parable, the time of the loud cry to the world, and that we, the people of the fourth angel's movement were God's chosen ones to proclaim that message since we were the only ones in possession of it!

But in the summer of 1987 I discovered that we had not been in possession of the true light in regard to righteousness by faith. So I knew that the time had come to revisit this parable in order to know exactly where the church was in the unrolling of the prophetic scroll.

True, when Jesus spoke this parable He was looking down the ages with His eyes fixed upon our time. He spoke it more for the Advent People than for the Jews. So when Jesus passed from the Holy to the Most Holy Place on the 22nd of October 1844, it is written that He went to the Wedding. In the book The Great Controversy, p.427, we read, "At the appointed time the Bridegroom came, not to the earth, as the people expected, but to the Ancient of Days in Heaven, TO THE MARRIAGE, the reception of His Kingdom." Then, on page 428, we read:

"In the parable of Matt.22 the same figure of the marriage is introduced, and the investigative judgment is clearly represented as taking place before the marriage."

This marriage takes place in Heaven and before it does the guests to this Wedding must have on the wedding garment:

"Previous to the wedding the King comes in to see the guests, to see if all are attired in the wedding garment, the spotless robe of character washed and made white by the blood of the Lamb. He who is found wanting is cast out, but all who upon examination are seen to have the wedding garment on are accepted of God and accounted worthy of a share in His kingdom and a seat upon His throne. This work of examination of character, of determining who are propared for the kingdom of God, is that of the investigative judgment, the closing work in the sanctuary above."

In 1844 the guests did not make ready and the marriage was postponed. Then came the first call of the parable, between 1888 and 1901. The people were invited to receive the wedding garment, the robe of Christ's righteousness, and they were told, in clear, distinct lines, how they could recive it. But the light that was to lighten the whole earth with its glory was resisted. Since then this most precious message has been, in a great degree, kept away from our people and from the world. See 1 S.M.234,5.

We are now living in the time AFTER the "crucifixon," in the time for the second call of the parable to be proclaimed in demonstration of the Spirit and power of God. Again the people are invited to receive the righteousness of Christ which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God. See T.M.92.

Before the message swells into the loud cry to the world, the church will either heed or reject this last call which is represented by the third call of the parable.

to be continued

Since: Jul 08

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#96 Dec 12, 2012
Debbie, when this thread was started some took advantage of it to make more subtle attacks against the writings of Ellen White. I felt the need to give my personal testimony in order to counteract, if possible, some of the objections. I did not realize that it would turn into a book. Thank you for the suggestion. Thats a good idea. Thank you.

sky
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#97 Dec 12, 2012
Sky, it's no wonder you are so mixed up my friend! Salvation is very simple--follow the words of Jesus given to us by His ear and eye witnesses, Matthew and John. That's it! No need for anyone's writings such as EGW or A.T. Jones--they are all lies according to the words of Jesus.

Please repent and make things simple for you right now--reject all but the words of Jesus!

Since: Jul 08

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#98 Dec 12, 2012
Correction: Before the message swells into the loud cry to the world, which is represented by the third call of the parable, the church will either heed or reject the second call, the last call to the professed people of God.

sky

Since: Jul 08

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#99 Dec 12, 2012
But if you wish, I will removed this personal testimony from this thread and post it in another thread.

What say you?

sky :)
DANNO

London, UK

#100 Dec 12, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
Nice as you might feel about your testimony, this is not the place to share. Perhaps you can write a book about it for your family.
This thread has to do with Leo Schreven and if and why such a good boy killed himself on a Sabbath morning. Was he involved in some triangle?
Debbie

I understand he died on 5th Dec 2012. This was NOT a SABBATH day in the UK. Are you saying it was a SABBATH day in the country where he died??

Dan
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#101 Dec 12, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Rocky Bullwinkles attitude to the 'most precious message' is typical of the leaders back in 1888 and of the same whited sepulchres who prance around today.
Nothing new under the sun.
Unanswered
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#102 Dec 12, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
Correction: Before the message swells into the loud cry to the world, which is represented by the third call of the parable, the church will either heed or reject the second call, the last call to the professed people of God.
sky
GOD has made numerous calls through many POOR soul aflicted by the SDA CHURCH. All efforts to use the EYESALVE printed and sold by the SDA CHURCH have failed. GOD is looking for even just ONE MAN to start UNITY of BRETHREN. Untill this is done GOD CAN DO NOTHING 6T.202 & Amos 3:7 GOD defines this as FINAL.
As ye are neither HOT nor COLD I will spue thee out of my mouth.That happens and the SHIP with WOOD WORM sank years ago at THE END OF THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES running corporations.
Sure the SDA church failed the second call in that parable EXACTLY AS YOU SAY THEY DIDS. THey are worldly over educated.

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