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Robert Two

Darwin, Australia

#63 Dec 10, 2012
My experience was nothing like yours being raised an SDA. More depressing seeing the DENOMINATION crumble under the leadership over the years.

"Having a FORM of GODLINESS BUT DENYING THE POWER THERE OF"

Once you understand THE POWER THERE OF you are home free.
Great to see people with LIKE BELIEFS.

Since: Jul 08

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#64 Dec 11, 2012
Some time after that prayer meeting I was invited to attend a camp-meeting. I was quite hesitant to say yes at first but at last I agreed to go. On the way to the camp, as we were nearing the location, the sun was setting and I was told that the Sabbath was beginning. I said, What? I had been raised to believe that Sunday was the day of rest, not Saturday starting at sunset on friday until the next sunset! Though I had never heard this taught from the Bible before, and though it sounded a bit strange to me at first, the conviction settled upon me that this was the truth as clearly stated in Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:10 and Mark 2:27,28. I was flabbergasted. There at that camp-meeting I spent my first Sabbath and all week-end the conviction grew that I had been brought in connection with the people of God!

It was there at that camp-meeting that I was introduced to the writings of Ellen G. White. My guide suggested I purchase "The Conflict Series" composed of five books: Patriarchs & Prophets, Prophets & Kings, The Desire of Ages, Acts of the Apostles, and The Great Controversy. Since I did not have enough money to buy the whole series I only purchased two of them, The Great Controversy & Patriarchs & Prophets. I planned to buy the others later.

I couldn't wait to get back home to begin reading these books. You will remember how at the beginning of my search my attention had been drawn to this book and its title "The Old Planet Earth" and how I had lost no time in purchasing it? This time the attraction to these books and their titles was ten times greater!

After reading the first chapter of The Great Controvesy dealing with the Destruction of Jerusalem I was convinced that the author had to have been inspred of God! And how much more did this conviction deepen as I read from chapter to chapter until the chambers of my mind seemed to be filled with precious light from above! The Scriptures had suddenly become alive as His law was magnified and made honorable!(Isaiah 42:21).

I couldn't wait to read the whole series.

The whole time I was reading The Great Controversy I felt like I was sitting at the Table of the Lord being fed with manna from Heaven!

to be continued
Blackberry

Bolton, Canada

#65 Dec 11, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
Some time after that prayer meeting I was invited to attend a camp-meeting. I was quite hesitant to say yes at first but at last I agreed to go. On the way to the camp, as we were nearing the location, the sun was setting and I was told that the Sabbath was beginning. I said, What? I had been raised to believe that Sunday was the day of rest, not Saturday starting at sunset on friday until the next sunset! Though I had never heard this taught from the Bible before, and though it sounded a bit strange to me at first, the conviction settled upon me that this was the truth as clearly stated in Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:10 and Mark 2:27,28. I was flabbergasted. There at that camp-meeting I spent my first Sabbath and all week-end the conviction grew that I had been brought in connection with the people of God!
It was there at that camp-meeting that I was introduced to the writings of Ellen G. White. My guide suggested I purchase "The Conflict Series" composed of five books: Patriarchs & Prophets, Prophets & Kings, The Desire of Ages, Acts of the Apostles, and The Great Controversy. Since I did not have enough money to buy the whole series I only purchased two of them, The Great Controversy & Patriarchs & Prophets. I planned to buy the others later.
I couldn't wait to get back home to begin reading these books. You will remember how at the beginning of my search my attention had been drawn to this book and its title "The Old Planet Earth" and how I had lost no time in purchasing it? This time the attraction to these books and their titles was ten times greater!
After reading the first chapter of The Great Controvesy dealing with the Destruction of Jerusalem I was convinced that the author had to have been inspred of God! And how much more did this conviction deepen as I read from chapter to chapter until the chambers of my mind seemed to be filled with precious light from above! The Scriptures had suddenly become alive as His law was magnified and made honorable!(Isaiah 42:21).
I couldn't wait to read the whole series.
The whole time I was reading The Great Controversy I felt like I was sitting at the Table of the Lord being fed with manna from Heaven!
to be continued
Ellen White said we should not read the Great Controversy. She said that we should read the Bible.
Blackberry

Bolton, Canada

#66 Dec 11, 2012
She said that only the ignorant would read her books; but the wise would read the Bible, the word of God, and understand it.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#67 Dec 11, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
She said that only the ignorant would read her books; but the wise would read the Bible, the word of God, and understand it.
Now we all know why Sky is hooked on EGw's words--because she has not yet compaired them to the words of Jesus given to us by His eye and ear witnesses, Matthew and John.

She opened up her mind--as did EGW herself, to the evil spirit's work. It's now time for you to repent Sky, and seek real truth as many here on this blog have suggested you to do.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#68 Dec 11, 2012
A short while ago, both of you, Rockroller & Blackberry, were again reminded that skyblue888 is not a woman but a man of 60 years of age. Are you as those who have eyes but cannot read?!!:)

The year was 1975. The pope had declared it to be "the year of faith." To me that year had really turned out to be just that! It was that year that I read the Bible from cover to cover and read 75 books purchased at the Canadian Bible Society. And it was no later than a year later that the writings of Ellen G. White were introduced to me.

Her writings did not only begin to make the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments alive to me but the more I read them and studied them the more my love for the Scriptures increased!

From studying her writings I learned that the Scriptures were not subject to any private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) and that the key to understand the messages given in the Bible was to compare Scripture with Scripture, as one passage of Scripture is explained by another, which teaching is in perfect harmony with the instruction given by the Holy Spirit through Isaiah the prophet:

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little." Isaiah 28:10.

The next book I felt impressed to read was Patriarchs & Prophets. Just as I had been greatly impressed by the first chapter of The Great Controversy book, I was even more impressed with the first chapter of Patriarchs & Prophets. This chapter is based on Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 which deal with the rebellion of Lucifer in Heaven, His fall, and his final destruction.

I recommend this chapter to all. If you will leave your opinions and prejudices at the door of investigation and read this chapter with an open mind, you will be greatly blessed and you will never be the same again. Try it!

I could spend my whole life talking about this book alone as chapter after chapter is also filled with precious light from above. One cannot read this book with an open mind and not appreciate the precious rays of light coming from the Throne of God.

I could say the same thing about the book Prophets & Kings and the Acts of the Apostles but the book which above all made the greatest impact upon me was The Desire of Ages! This book is like no other!

I will never forget this statement found at the end of the first chapter:

"The work of redemption will be complete. In the place where sin abounded, God's grace much more abounds. The earth itself, the very field that Satan claims as his, is to be not only ransomed but exalted. Our little world, under the curse of sin, the one dark blot in His glorious creation, will be honored above all other worlds in the universe of God. Here, where the Son of God tabernacled in humanity, where the King of glory lived and suffered and died,--here, when He shall make all things new, the tabernacle of God shall be with men,'and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.' And through endless ages as the redeemed walk in the light of the Lord, they will praise Him for His unspeakable Gift,--Immanuel,'God with us!"

to be continued

Robert Two

Australia

#69 Dec 11, 2012
I must say that those not of GOD show their ignorance openly before the UNIVERSE but the devils BELIEVE AND TREMBLE.
Few have seen the backs of GOD'S HANDS.
Great how SKY was introduce to the 5 books of the SOP first as that was why GOD wrote those 5 books To start people being interested and to understand the BIBLE the very WORD OF GOD.
I am impressed by the girls from FRANCE giving the right instructions.
To me I spent most of mchildhood as an SDA so I have no ADULT experence of FINDING TRUTH.
I was blamed last week for being ANTI SDA of all things.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#70 Dec 11, 2012
Robert, what do you mean by "few have seen the bocks of God's hands"?:)

The girls from France had already left. They were not the ones who invited me to the camp-meeting or suggested I get hold of these five books. It was a church member.

I have always said that it is not necessarily a blessing to be born within the church. Look at the Jews.

sky
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#71 Dec 11, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
I must say that those not of GOD show their ignorance openly before the UNIVERSE but the devils BELIEVE AND TREMBLE.
Few have seen the backs of GOD'S HANDS.
Great how SKY was introduce to the 5 books of the SOP first as that was why GOD wrote those 5 books To start people being interested and to understand the BIBLE the very WORD OF GOD.
I am impressed by the girls from FRANCE giving the right instructions.
To me I spent most of mchildhood as an SDA so I have no ADULT experence of FINDING TRUTH.
I was blamed last week for being ANTI SDA of all things.
Many have been called anti-adventist as most adventist have no clue to what it takes to be a real adventist, the one found in Rev. 12;17.

Sky--now a man of 60 (still younger than I) made the mistake many have by refusing the clear words of Jesus and accepting words written from someone who NEVER knew Jesus but made up many of the things she wrote about--for MONEY. Proof: in the P and P, she has Noah preaching for 120 years--how about that? Where did she get this mistaken idea from? Not the bible!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#72 Dec 11, 2012
I was baptized on Nov.16, 1976 at the age of 24, in Quebec city. I quickly became close to the minister and his wife and their children. Since I was still single, they would invite me over to their home after church on Sabbath and I would often spend the week-end with them. How privileged I was to share their home, their food, and their company. Their care and concern meant a lot to me.

Six months after my baptism I was nominated as a Sabbath school teacher! I accepted reluctantly but it turned out to be one of my best experiences in the church at that time. About a year later I was asked if I would be interested in being an elder. I immediately refused. They insisted but to no avail. How could I be an elder in a church that I had been a member of for such a short time!!

But between the minister and some members of the church, the conviction was growing that the Lord was calling me to the ministry. I finally accepted the idea of applying to one of our colleges in Western Canada. At that time there were two other young men who were considered as candidates to the ministry. The three of us made the necessary preparations and at the end of the summer we drove all across Canada and finally arrived at our destination.

What an exciting adventure this trip across Canada was to me and I could not wait to meet with the teachers and sit at their feet to receive instruction from the Bible and the writings of Ellen G. White but what a disappointment it was for me to be told that this was not going to be. Our text books would be mostly from other authors, even non adventist ones!

I could not understand it but I determined that I would not let this affect me, that it would not stop me from studying her writings on my own and that once I graduated I would then be free to do whatever I wanted.

The first semester was the most difficult as English was not my mother language. I had no choice but to learn it and learn it I did. Since I was a little child I had dreamed of being able to speak English and to read it. This was the perfect opportunity for me especially that I was at the right place at the right time doing what counted the most to me at that time.

to be continued
Robert Two

Port Pirie, Australia

#73 Dec 11, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
Robert, what do you mean by "few have seen the bocks of God's hands"?:)
The girls from France had already left. They were not the ones who invited me to the camp-meeting or suggested I get hold of these five books. It was a church member.
I have always said that it is not necessarily a blessing to be born within the church. Look at the Jews.
sky
THE BACKS OF GOD'S HANDS.

Yes I know I was not reffering to the camp meeting with those girls.
Not sure what you mean in the last line.
Robert Two

Port Pirie, Australia

#74 Dec 11, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Many have been called anti-adventist as most adventist have no clue to what it takes to be a real adventist, the one found in Rev. 12;17.
Sky--now a man of 60 (still younger than I) made the mistake many have by refusing the clear words of Jesus and accepting words written from someone who NEVER knew Jesus but made up many of the things she wrote about--for MONEY. Proof: in the P and P, she has Noah preaching for 120 years--how about that? Where did she get this mistaken idea from? Not the bible!
RR
I like you even though you do not understand somethings you say are human wise. The universe is looking on .
GOD has prophets and few of them are well received.
It is common to hear you say what you do about EGW. Look in the bible and see how the treat goos prophets and that is how you treat EGw.
Think on this TEXT
"WHAT YE HAVE DONE UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHRENYE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME "

"IT IS NOT YOU THEY HATE BUT ME THEY HATE"

That should slow down the blame game.
Robert Two

Port Pirie, Australia

#75 Dec 11, 2012
I had a friend who was selected to go into the ministry in 1939. But for some real the church dumped him amd he landed up in the army. His son became a pastor of the NEW THEOLORY but ALAN took it badly as he and I agreed The SDA church had taken a wrong turn with DESMOND FORD.
Yes I gathered your first langusge was not EGLISH.
I see that most ENGISH speaking people sort out my spelling and words and never say ROBERT you cannot spell.
I am dyslex but mange to get there slowly LOL.
I am not a very bad case as Some I know read backwards through a BOOk. OTHERS the words are a jumble on the page but to me there are times when I cannot figure out what the word is.
I rely on the KJV but have to use OLD ENGLISH to know exactly what the writter intended. As mordern ENGLISH has moved.
Common problem is the word WITH it is not side by side hsnd in hand. But a contract of some king which you have to figure out.
With EVE it is MARRIAGE to ADAM JOHN 1:1 WHIT is FAMILY the surname is GOD.
Once you get what the facts are you are out of this world and people are not slow to tell you what a fool you are.
(it is foolshness unto them ( unquote)
Blackberry

Bolton, Canada

#76 Dec 11, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
RR
I like you even though you do not understand somethings you say are human wise. The universe is looking on .
GOD has prophets and few of them are well received.
It is common to hear you say what you do about EGW. Look in the bible and see how the treat goos prophets and that is how you treat EGw.
Think on this TEXT
"WHAT YE HAVE DONE UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHRENYE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME "
"IT IS NOT YOU THEY HATE BUT ME THEY HATE"
That should slow down the blame game.
RR is deranged.
Robert Two

Port Pirie, Australia

#77 Dec 11, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
<quoted text>
RR is deranged.
More DERAILED.
Blackberry

Bolton, Canada

#78 Dec 11, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
More DERAILED.
Hmmmm, maybe

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#79 Dec 11, 2012
kyblue888 wrote:
Robert, what do you mean by "few have seen the bocks of God's hands"?:)

The girls from France had already left. They were not the ones who invited me to the camp-meeting or suggested I get hold of these five books. It was a church member.

I have always said that it is not necessarily a blessing to be born within the church. Look at the Jews.

sky

THE BACKS OF GOD'S HANDS.

Yes I know I was not reffering to the camp meeting with those girls.

Not sure what you mean in the last line.

Robert 2
__________

It's a typo Robert. I am still wondering what you mean by "few have seen the backs of God's handd."

:)

Not sure what I mean with my last sentence about saying that it is not necessarily a blessing to be born within the church? Are you not a perfect example of that?

Earlier you wrote: "My experience was nothing like yours being raised an SDA. More depressing seeing the DENOMINATION crumble under the leadership over the years. "Having a FORM of GODLINESS BUT DENYING THE POWER THERE OF"

sky
Blackberry

Bolton, Canada

#80 Dec 11, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
kyblue888 wrote:
Robert, what do you mean by "few have seen the bocks of God's hands"?:)
The girls from France had already left. They were not the ones who invited me to the camp-meeting or suggested I get hold of these five books. It was a church member.
I have always said that it is not necessarily a blessing to be born within the church. Look at the Jews.
sky
THE BACKS OF GOD'S HANDS.
Yes I know I was not reffering to the camp meeting with those girls.
Not sure what you mean in the last line.
Robert 2
__________
It's a typo Robert. I am still wondering what you mean by "few have seen the backs of God's handd."
:)
Not sure what I mean with my last sentence about saying that it is not necessarily a blessing to be born within the church? Are you not a perfect example of that?
Earlier you wrote: "My experience was nothing like yours being raised an SDA. More depressing seeing the DENOMINATION crumble under the leadership over the years. "Having a FORM of GODLINESS BUT DENYING THE POWER THERE OF"
sky
In conclusion, EGW was a fraud. Everybody knows that.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#81 Dec 11, 2012
I was baptized on Nov.16, 1976 at the age of 24, in Quebec city. I quickly became close to the minister and his wife and their children. Since I was still single, they would invite me over to their home after church on Sabbath and I would often spend the week-end with them. How privileged I was to share their home, their food, and their company. Their care and concern meant a lot to me.

Six months after my baptism I was nominated as a Sabbath school teacher! I accepted reluctantly but it turned out to be one of my best experiences in the church at that time. About a year later I was asked if I would be interested in being an elder. I immediately refused. They insisted but to no avail. How could I be an elder in a church that I had been a member of for such a short time!!

But between the minister and some members of the church, the conviction was growing that the Lord was calling me to the ministry. I finally accepted the idea of applying to one of our colleges in Western Canada. At that time there were two other young men who were considered as candidates to the ministry. The three of us made the necessary preparations and at the end of the summer we drove all across Canada and finally arrived at our destination.

What an exciting adventure this trip across Canada was to me and I could not wait to meet with the teachers and sit at their feet to receive instruction from the Bible and the writings of Ellen G. White but what a disappointment it was for me to be told that this was not going to be. Our text books would be mostly from other authors, even non adventist ones!

I could not understand it but I determined that I would not let this affect me, that it would not stop me from studying her writings on my own and that once I graduated I would then be free to do whatever I wanted.

The first semester was the most difficult as English was not my mother language. I had no choice but to learn it and learn it I did. Since I was a little child I had dreamed of being able to speak English and to read it. This was the perfect opportunity for me especially that I was at the right place at the right time doing what counted the most to me at that time.

to be continued
__________

At last I graduated and accompanied by my wife, I met with the president of the Quebec Conference in the cafeteria of the college to discuss the possibility of my being hired as an intern. If hired I could become the very first French Canadian to become an adventist minister in the history of the Conference.

I was assigned to work as an intern at the Quebec city church under the supervision of a "seasoned" minister. I will never forget how, one day, as I was giving a Bible study to a very old and poor man, the minister sat down with me and explain that I should not waste my time with people who had no tithe to return to the church. That he had received directives from the Conference that they were going to close the church's doors unless more money could be brought into the coffers of the church.

Shortly after that I began studying with a contractor and his wife. After one year of faithfully studying with them, they decided to get baptized. The day of the baptism I was sitting in the back of the church and as the minister walked by, he stopped, and with a big smile on his face whispered these words in my ears, "This is a big fish," and then walked away.

It became clear to me that it was not the work of saving souls that was paramount with the conference but who could raise the most money.

Next I studied with three students for about a year. The three of them were also baptized. This time the minister did not pat me on the shoulder for bringing more big fish into the church.

By this time I was beginning to sense that something just didn't add up with the leadership of the church but I did not know the cause of it, not yet!

to be continue

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#82 Dec 11, 2012
Correction: f hired I could become the very first French Canadian to work as an adventist minister in the history of the Conference.

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