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Since: Jun 12

Lebanon, PA

#1 Sep 20, 2012
Through history the conflict between good and evil has been revealed, a theatrical drama on center stage in vignettes from creation and the fall of Adam to the flood, from the fall of Israel and its subsequent captivity in Babylon to the first advent and death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, from the formation of the early church through the reformation and counter reformation to the second advent and return of Christ. Humanity has supplied the actors and actresses in the historical drama in roles as believers and non-believers in churches with days of worship true and false.

The seventh-day adventist church stands as the only remaining protestant church with the prophetic heritage of the reformers that proclaim the pope, the anti-christ, the roman catholic church, the beast, and its day of worship false.

In what guise, do you suppose, will Satan elect to pour out his hatred against the seventh-day adventist church to secure its fall and his ascension and rule?

Satan has marshalled forces against the seventh-day adventist church, placing doctors in seventh-day adventist hopitals to perform abortions, pastors who teach falsehood diluting the truth, laymen who create controversy concerning the Petrine versus the Pauline gospel, critics who have no love of the truth who would seek the destruction of the message and messengers, forum'ers whose hatred of the truth and love of falsehood is undeniable, stating that the seventh-day adventist church is a cult and its members cultists, proclaiming Ellen G. White a false prophet, and the commandments of God null and void.

The truth and the light it sheds in this sin darkened world has nearly been extinguished, I fear for what the fall of the last church of the protestant reformation might portend. With a tear filled eye I pray that it has not.

Post Script

In scores of threads and thousands of posts forum'ers disseminate falsehood in proclaiming that which is profane as sacred and that which is sacred as profane.

The sardonic irony is that those individuals involved, wittingly or unwittingly, seek the destruction of the means of our salvation.
Pioneer

United States

#2 Sep 20, 2012
vermknid wrote:
The sardonic irony is that those individuals involved, wittingly or unwittingly, seek the destruction of the means of our salvation.
HUMMM.. You must be a leader in the SDA corporate Apostate Organization.

By your last statement, am I wrong in saying that you are saying that the "means of our salvation " is one has to be in the SDA church in order to receive salvation, because that is just what you have said by that statement.
Earthcaller

Deland, FL

#3 Sep 20, 2012
The mainline apostasy needs to understand that something terrible has gone wrong. The answer can be found in Luke 21:24 and Leviticus 4:13, 18. Once SDAs wake up to the fact that there is a corporate agenda for Laodicea then individual responsibility will kick in and they will leave fallen Laodicea. Just as probation closed for corporate Israel in 34AD corporate probation closed for the SDA Church in 1980 with the fulfillment of Luke 21:24.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#4 Sep 21, 2012
"St. Helena, California, April 21, 1903.

Our [SDA Church] position in the world is not what it should be. We are far from where we should have been had our Christian experience been in harmony with the light and the opportunities given us, had we from the beginning constantly pressed onward and upward.

Had we walked in the light that has been given us, had we followed on to know the Lord, our path would have grown brighter and brighter. But many of those who have had special light are so conformed to the world that they can scarcely be distinguished from worldlings. They do not stand forth as God's peculiar people, chosen and precious. It is difficult to discern between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.{8T 247.1}

In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. If her spiritual experience does not correspond to the advantages that Christ, at infinite cost, has bestowed on her, if the blessings conferred have not qualified her to do the work entrusted to her, on her will be pronounced the sentence: "Found wanting." By the light bestowed, the opportunities given, will she be judged.{8T 247.2}

Since: Jun 12

Lebanon, PA

#5 Sep 21, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
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HUMMM.. You must be a leader in the SDA corporate Apostate Organization.
By your last statement, am I wrong in saying that you are saying that the "means of our salvation " is one has to be in the SDA church in order to receive salvation, because that is just what you have said by that statement.
I no longer attend the local seventh-day adventist church, but support her doctrines.

Forum'ers gleefully report satanic activity in the seventh-day adventist church as evidence that the church is a cult and its members cultists rather than satanic opposition in the last protestant church capable of producing light and illuminating the path of salvation.

Imo, forum'ers who perform service for the enemy of light and deepen the darkness should be held to account.
Earthcaller

Deland, FL

#6 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
<quoted text>
I no longer attend the local seventh-day adventist church, but support her doctrines.
Forum'ers gleefully report satanic activity in the seventh-day adventist church as evidence that the church is a cult and its members cultists rather than satanic opposition in the last protestant church capable of producing light and illuminating the path of salvation.
Imo, forum'ers who perform service for the enemy of light and deepen the darkness should be held to account.
If thats the case why are there warnings from Ellen White concerning a work that is to be done on behalf of the 7th Day Adventists called the Closing work for the church on account of the fact that her membership has gone off into apostasy? Why does volume 5 Seal of God state the following, "here we see that the church, the Lord's sanctuary was the first to receive the stroke of the wrath of God, the once faithful men", then she mentions men, women and children as well. Why does she state that God's people should not comfort themselves with the belief that God will shelter them during the 7 last plagues? Those who closely study vol 5 Seal of God will see that Ellen White actually interpolates the judgements of Ezekiel 9 with the fulfillment of Luke 21:24. The brief period of time after the fulfillment of Luke 21:24 in 1980 marked the time frame of the Closing Work for the church which is mentioned in vol 3 Testimonies. The final outpouring of God's judgements against SDAs takes place upon the arrival of the 7 last plagues.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#7 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
<quoted text>
I no longer attend the local seventh-day adventist church, but support her doctrines.
.
INteresting , yes very intertesting -

Yes, the so called support includes the horrific apostasy of the Evangelicals on the nature of Christ; denial of the Dual Atonement, then there is the central doctrine of the LITTLE HORN and they all lerv to have it so. Not once exalting Christ and His rightouesness

Since: Jun 12

Lebanon, PA

#8 Sep 21, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
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If thats the case why are there warnings from Ellen White concerning a work that is to be done on behalf of the 7th Day Adventists called the Closing work for the church on account of the fact that her membership has gone off into apostasy? Why does volume 5 Seal of God state the following, "here we see that the church, the Lord's sanctuary was the first to receive the stroke of the wrath of God, the once faithful men", then she mentions men, women and children as well. Why does she state that God's people should not comfort themselves with the belief that God will shelter them during the 7 last plagues? Those who closely study vol 5 Seal of God will see that Ellen White actually interpolates the judgements of Ezekiel 9 with the fulfillment of Luke 21:24. The brief period of time after the fulfillment of Luke 21:24 in 1980 marked the time frame of the Closing Work for the church which is mentioned in vol 3 Testimonies. The final outpouring of God's judgements against SDAs takes place upon the arrival of the 7 last plagues.
I suppose that would depend upon ones evaluative opinion on the state of the seventh-day adventist church, whether the apostasy is from without or within and/or throughout its membership or confined to its leadership.

In any case, if the seventh-day adventist church has fallen then words cannot express the thought or emotion of what the failure of the protestant church should mean to a fallen humanity.
Rockroller

Colorado Springs, CO

#9 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
Through history the conflict between good and evil has been revealed, a theatrical drama on center stage in vignettes from creation and the fall of Adam to the flood, from the fall of Israel and its subsequent captivity in Babylon to the first advent and death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, from the formation of the early church through the reformation and counter reformation to the second advent and return of Christ. Humanity has supplied the actors and actresses in the historical drama in roles as believers and non-believers in churches with days of worship true and false.
The seventh-day adventist church stands as the only remaining protestant church with the prophetic heritage of the reformers that proclaim the pope, the anti-christ, the roman catholic church, the beast, and its day of worship false.
In what guise, do you suppose, will Satan elect to pour out his hatred against the seventh-day adventist church to secure its fall and his ascension and rule?
Satan has marshalled forces against the seventh-day adventist church, placing doctors in seventh-day adventist hopitals to perform abortions, pastors who teach falsehood diluting the truth, laymen who create controversy concerning the Petrine versus the Pauline gospel, critics who have no love of the truth who would seek the destruction of the message and messengers, forum'ers whose hatred of the truth and love of falsehood is undeniable, stating that the seventh-day adventist church is a cult and its members cultists, proclaiming Ellen G. White a false prophet, and the commandments of God null and void.
The truth and the light it sheds in this sin darkened world has nearly been extinguished, I fear for what the fall of the last church of the protestant reformation might portend. With a tear filled eye I pray that it has not.
Post Script
In scores of threads and thousands of posts forum'ers disseminate falsehood in proclaiming that which is profane as sacred and that which is sacred as profane.
The sardonic irony is that those individuals involved, wittingly or unwittingly, seek the destruction of the means of our salvation.
Vermi, can you please tell us what YOU think the real issue is that causes the great shaking just before the time of trouble starts? And then tell us why Jesus has not come already?

If you can do this, then you may get a clue as to what you wrote about.
christine

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Sep 21, 2012
Yes I can see exactly how the Catholic Church
made and fored the SDA church to commit abortion
(Murder) and breaking the 1st commanment.
Thou shalt not have any other God before me.

Rationalizeing....explain away..vindicating...
why they do what they do....Not seeing that
the act itself is wrong from the begining.

All though the Catholic church has many doctrinal
misunderstandings holding them in the past the
fact remains that they do acknowledge that Jesus is
the Son of God...They do not commit abortion.

Since: Jun 12

Lebanon, PA

#11 Sep 21, 2012
Rockroller

I will have to answer your question later, duty calls.
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#12 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
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I no longer attend the local seventh-day adventist church, but support her doctrines.
Why don't you go?

It might not be a point of your salvation, but I wonder what is your reason.
Pioneer

United States

#13 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
<quoted text>
I no longer attend the local seventh-day adventist church, but support her doctrines.
Forum'ers gleefully report satanic activity in the seventh-day adventist church as evidence that the church is a cult and its members cultists rather than satanic opposition in the last protestant church capable of producing light and illuminating the path of salvation.
Imo, forum'ers who perform service for the enemy of light and deepen the darkness should be held to account.
So Ellen G White did a lot of this work for the enemy according to you, you have
lumped her in with the rest of those who call sin, sin.

Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege],

shalt be brought down to hell:

for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day."--RH Aug. 1, 1893.[THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.]{LDE 48.2}
The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.--1NL 99 (1898).{LDE 49.1}

Imo, forum'ers who perform service for the enemy of light and deepen the darkness should be held to account.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#14 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose that would depend upon ones evaluative opinion on the state of the seventh-day adventist church, whether the apostasy is from without or within and/or throughout its membership or confined to its leadership.
In any case, if the seventh-day adventist church has fallen then words cannot express the thought or emotion of what the failure of the protestant church should mean to a fallen humanity.
The concept from Vermifuge 'in any case' doesn not pinpoint the issue of the fall in Advetnism.

Vermifuge has no answers to the problem extant and turns up the volume on red herring useless arguments.

Since: Jun 12

Lebanon, PA

#15 Sep 21, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Vermi, can you please tell us what YOU think the real issue is that causes the great shaking just before the time of trouble starts? And then tell us why Jesus has not come already?
If you can do this, then you may get a clue as to what you wrote about.
I'll slow pitch so you can knock this out of the park.

God is now sifting His people, testing their purposes and their motives. Many will be but as chaff--no wheat, no value in them.{4T 51.1}

Wheat and tares yout favourite topic.

I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen, and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this will cause a shaking among God's people.--1T 181

Vermi, can you please tell us what YOU think the real issue is that causes the great shaking just before the time of trouble starts?

Lack of true conversion, self is not crucified.

Self-centered not Christ-centered.

And then tell us why Jesus has not come already?

So that all that can be saved, are saved.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#16 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll slow pitch so you can knock this out of the park.
God is now sifting His people, testing their purposes and their motives. Many will be but as chaff--no wheat, no value in them.{4T 51.1}
Wheat and tares yout favourite topic.
I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen, and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this will cause a shaking among God's people.--1T 181
Vermi, can you please tell us what YOU think the real issue is that causes the great shaking just before the time of trouble starts?
Lack of true conversion, self is not crucified.
Self-centered not Christ-centered.
And then tell us why Jesus has not come already?
So that all that can be saved, are saved.
Vermifuge doesnt have a straight testimony tho

Since: Jun 12

Lebanon, PA

#17 Sep 21, 2012
christine wrote:
Yes I can see exactly how the Catholic Church
made and fored the SDA church to commit abortion
(Murder) and breaking the 1st commanment.
Thou shalt not have any other God before me.
Rationalizeing....explain away..vindicating...
why they do what they do....Not seeing that
the act itself is wrong from the begining.
All though the Catholic church has many doctrinal
misunderstandings holding them in the past the
fact remains that they do acknowledge that Jesus is
the Son of God...They do not commit abortion.
I think you misinterpeted part of my meaning.

I am not saying that seventh-day adventists aren't responsible for these actions, but to not acknowledge that satanic forces actively seek the fall of the church or that the church has apostitized versus stating that this is evidence of the church being a cult seems a tenious conclusion.

Perhaps you should study the history of the catholic church to acquaint yourself with what they are guilty of before offering an opinion.
Earthcaller

Deland, FL

#18 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose that would depend upon ones evaluative opinion on the state of the seventh-day adventist church, whether the apostasy is from without or within and/or throughout its membership or confined to its leadership.
In any case, if the seventh-day adventist church has fallen then words cannot express the thought or emotion of what the failure of the protestant church should mean to a fallen humanity.
The evidence is clear from your answer, you are not up to date with SDA history and the matter of when the leadership stated that they could not and would not repent and any effort to do so would be useless. The SDA leadership's reply came in June 1967 and 13 years later in 1980 Luke 21:24 was fulfilled just as 34AD was the closing period for Israel's corporate probation.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#19 Sep 21, 2012
vermknid wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you misinterpeted part of my meaning.
I am not saying that seventh-day adventists aren't responsible for these actions, but to not acknowledge that satanic forces actively seek the fall of the church or that the church has apostitized versus stating that this is evidence of the church being a cult seems a tenious conclusion.
Perhaps you should study the history of the catholic church to acquaint yourself with what they are guilty of before offering an opinion.
Vermifuge is saying the LH which practiced and prospered and cast the truth to the ground and caused an abomination of desolation was originally founded on truth.

The readers know this is not true

Since: Jun 12

Lebanon, PA

#20 Sep 21, 2012
yoyo wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you go?
It might not be a point of your salvation, but I wonder what is your reason.
Imo, the local church that I attended had apostatized, i.e., finincial stewardship was lacking.

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