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sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#90 Sep 17, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> The seeds are the words that the sower (Jesus) sowed. The people are just the ones who HEARD those words (seed) and had to do something with those words. Jesus NEVER said that the seeds were people as Jesus never sowed people, but He did come here to testify to the WORDS of the Father. He who has ears HEAR those same words and DO SOMTHING with them!
So deaf people don't have a ghost of a chance of being saved because they can't 'HEARD those words'?
DANNO

London, UK

#91 Sep 18, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry Dan, but I've never seen an honest spiritual question out of you in all the time I've been on here.
Thats because you cant see! You believe that eyes are for HEARING and EARS are for READING!! See the evidence in your last post and tell me i'm wrong?!

Dan
sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#92 Sep 18, 2012
DANNO wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats because you cant see! You believe that eyes are for HEARING and EARS are for READING!! See the evidence in your last post and tell me i'm wrong?!
Dan
You are correct, as a follower of Jesus Christ 'I walk by faith and not by sight', because Jesus said 'blessed are those who believe without seeing'.

You are also wrong.

You need to see with your heart, but you can't, because you are not seeking anything Dan; all you do is brow beat and condemn people like me because I won't buy into your program that most of the NT is evil and I need to tear it out of my Bible. I like my Bible just the way it is thank you.

I've answered most if not all of your questions before, the best they could be answered considering how off the wall most of them all, but the sad truth is you don't care one bit about how or if someone answers your questions because that's not the reason your on here, you are on here, you and some others folks just to push your small, narrow agenda.

This is a discussion board Dan, where people should be able to come and discuss a topic or issue without you jumping in with self-conflicting questions that mean nothing, that can't be answered, and you don't really want answered, and you condemn people to ever burning hell fire when you decide they haven't answered your questions properly.

Start acting like a human, you will enjoy life more.
DANNO

London, UK

#93 Sep 18, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct, as a follower of Jesus Christ 'I walk by faith and not by sight', because Jesus said 'blessed are those who believe without seeing'.
You are also wrong.
You need to see with your heart, but you can't, because you are not seeking anything Dan; all you do is brow beat and condemn people like me because I won't buy into your program that most of the NT is evil and I need to tear it out of my Bible. I like my Bible just the way it is thank you.
I've answered most if not all of your questions before, the best they could be answered considering how off the wall most of them all, but the sad truth is you don't care one bit about how or if someone answers your questions because that's not the reason your on here, you are on here, you and some others folks just to push your small, narrow agenda.
This is a discussion board Dan, where people should be able to come and discuss a topic or issue without you jumping in with self-conflicting questions that mean nothing, that can't be answered, and you don't really want answered, and you condemn people to ever burning hell fire when you decide they haven't answered your questions properly.
Start acting like a human, you will enjoy life more.
Jesus said they have EYES BUT CANNOT SEE!!

Ha also said they have EARS but CANNOT HEAR!!

Do you FULLY accept ROM 2: 13 yes or no?

Dan
sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#94 Sep 18, 2012
DANNO wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus said they have EYES BUT CANNOT SEE!!
Ha also said they have EARS but CANNOT HEAR!!
Do you FULLY accept ROM 2: 13 yes or no?
Dan
You think your eyes and ears are open, but the imporant question is Dan's heart open.

I believe the followers of Christ will be known by their fruit.

Now why would you ask me about Romans 2:13 if you reject every bit of Paul's writings?
DANNO

London, UK

#95 Sep 18, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
You think your eyes and ears are open, but the imporant question is Dan's heart open.
I believe the followers of Christ will be known by their fruit.
Now why would you ask me about Romans 2:13 if you reject every bit of Paul's writings?
I REJECT PAUL!!!

Now tell us why you REJECT ROM 2: 13 ??

Dan
sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#96 Sep 18, 2012
DANNO wrote:
<quoted text>
I REJECT PAUL!!!
Now tell us why you REJECT ROM 2: 13 ??
Dan
I'm not understanding you Dan, you reject Paul but not what he said?
Rockroller

Colorado Springs, CO

#97 Sep 18, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
You think your eyes and ears are open, but the imporant question is Dan's heart open.
I believe the followers of Christ will be known by their fruit.
Now why would you ask me about Romans 2:13 if you reject every bit of Paul's writings?
Please tell me this, how can a heart know anything without first the eyes and ears providing the communication with WORDS in order for the heart to feel?

It's WORDS that are the seeds in order for your heart to feel anything. If you choose to partake of the weeds seeds, then of course your heart will believe in things that are not the real truth, all the while believeing that they are the truth. This is called "FAITH", pretending you know something that you really don't know.

Jesus came to this earth to provide the WORDS so that you do NOT have to pretend you know something anymore. Those words are right there in the NT, next to the SEEDS Satan sowed. It's your choice on what you want to belive, as Dan and I have chosen to believe in the wheat seeds.
DANNO

London, UK

#98 Sep 18, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not understanding you Dan, you reject Paul but not what he said?
Does the DEVIL and FALSE Prophets and EGW tell ONLY LIES? No they dont!! THEY ALSO TELL TRUTH!! PAUL ALSO writes TRUTH mixed with LIES!!

Now tell us why you REJECT ROM 2: 13 ??

and why you REJECT what he said on women that they must be treated LOWER then MEN and MUST KEEP QUITE in Church??

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#99 Sep 18, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not understanding you Dan, you reject Paul but not what he said?
Skippy

ROM 2: 13 confirms what Jesus said in MATT 25: 41-46 & John 5: 28-29 & REV 20: 12

Gal 3: 11 & ROM 3: 28 contradicts what Jesus said in Matt 25: 41-46
DANNO

London, UK

#100 Sep 18, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not understanding you Dan, you reject Paul but not what he said?
Skippy.

Rom 2: 13 CONTRADICTS Gal 3: 11 & ROM 3: 28 do you agree? and all three were written by same person do you agree?

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#101 Sep 18, 2012
SkippyHappy

Do you agree EGW contradicts herself yes or no?

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#102 Sep 18, 2012
SkippyHappy

Do you agree that SHADRACH & Grammy & Diane & Christine contradict themselves and each other??

Shadrach and GRAMMY both admitted that HEB 8: 10 does NOT apply to them but it APPLIES to the JEWS! Do you agree wiv them?

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#103 Sep 27, 2012
birdman wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no error, the only error is your interpretation of those verses.
Birdie.

Doe's your GOD want you to interpret and tell us what you understand by those Bible quotes in post No11 or not?

Matt 10: 32-33

Dan
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#104 Oct 7, 2012
What John wrote about Paul, Luke and the write of Hebrews as found in the Jerusalem bible: 2John 1:7-10 "There are many deceivers about in the world, refusing to admit that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. They are the Deceiver; they are the Antichrist, watch yourselves, or all our work will be lost and not get the reward it deserves. IF ANYBODY DOES NOT KEEP WITHIN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST BUT GOES BEYOND IT, HE CANNOT HAVE GOD WITH HIM; ONLY THOSE WHO KEEP TO WHAT HE TAUGHT CAN HAVE THE DOCTRINE, YOU MUST NOT RECEIVE HIM IN YOUR HOUSE OR EVEN GIVE HIM A GREETING. TO GREET HIM WOULD MAKE YOU A PARTNER IN HIS WICKED WORK."

I am certain that John was describing Paul, et al, here, just as I believe he was doing so in 1 John 2:18,19: "Children, these are the last days; you were told that an Antichrist must come and now several antichrists have already appeared; we know from this that these are the last days. Those rivals of Christ came out of aour own number, but they had never really belonged; if they belonged they would have stayed with us."

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#105 Oct 7, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
What John wrote about Paul, Luke and the write of Hebrews as found in the Jerusalem bible: 2John 1:7-10 "There are many deceivers about in the world, refusing to admit that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. They are the Deceiver; they are the Antichrist, watch yourselves, or all our work will be lost and not get the reward it deserves. IF ANYBODY DOES NOT KEEP WITHIN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST BUT GOES BEYOND IT, HE CANNOT HAVE GOD WITH HIM; ONLY THOSE WHO KEEP TO WHAT HE TAUGHT CAN HAVE THE DOCTRINE, YOU MUST NOT RECEIVE HIM IN YOUR HOUSE OR EVEN GIVE HIM A GREETING. TO GREET HIM WOULD MAKE YOU A PARTNER IN HIS WICKED WORK."

I am certain that John was describing Paul, et al, here, just as I believe he was doing so in 1 John 2:18,19: "Children, these are the last days; you were told that an Antichrist must come and now several antichrists have already appeared; we know from this that these are the last days. Those rivals of Christ came out of aour own number, but they had never really belonged; if they belonged they would have stayed with us."
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_...

Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All

Sam Shamoun

The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.

For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:

Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:

Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

makara vb.(1)
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30

LL, V7, p: 256 (Source)

And:

He practised DECEIT, GUILE, or CIRCUMVENTION, desiring to do another a foul, an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing whence it proceeded.(Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon; source)

Lest Muslims accuse these lexicons of bias or distortion notice what Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,

"how the word makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or dishonesty, could be attributed to God." (The Quran and Its Interpreters – The House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992], Volume II, p. 165; italic emphasis ours)

After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor named ar-Razi who wrote that,

"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; italic emphasis ours)

Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Quran attributes deception to Allah since it identifies him as the best makr there is.

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#106 Oct 7, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
What John wrote about Paul, Luke and the write of Hebrews as found in the Jerusalem bible: 2John 1:7-10 "There are many deceivers about in the world, refusing to admit that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. They are the Deceiver; they are the Antichrist, watch yourselves, or all our work will be lost and not get the reward it deserves. IF ANYBODY DOES NOT KEEP WITHIN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST BUT GOES BEYOND IT, HE CANNOT HAVE GOD WITH HIM; ONLY THOSE WHO KEEP TO WHAT HE TAUGHT CAN HAVE THE DOCTRINE, YOU MUST NOT RECEIVE HIM IN YOUR HOUSE OR EVEN GIVE HIM A GREETING. TO GREET HIM WOULD MAKE YOU A PARTNER IN HIS WICKED WORK."

I am certain that John was describing Paul, et al, here, just as I believe he was doing so in 1 John 2:18,19: "Children, these are the last days; you were told that an Antichrist must come and now several antichrists have already appeared; we know from this that these are the last days. Those rivals of Christ came out of aour own number, but they had never really belonged; if they belonged they would have stayed with us."
Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All

Sam Shamoun

The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.

For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:

Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:

Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

makara vb.(1)
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30

LL, V7, p: 256 (Source)

And:

He practised DECEIT, GUILE, or CIRCUMVENTION, desiring to do another a foul, an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing whence it proceeded.(Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon; source)

Lest Muslims accuse these lexicons of bias or distortion notice what Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,

"how the word makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or dishonesty, could be attributed to God." (The Quran and Its Interpreters – The House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992], Volume II, p. 165; italic emphasis ours)

After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor named ar-Razi who wrote that,

"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; italic emphasis ours)

Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Quran attributes deception to Allah since it identifies him as the best makr there is.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_...
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#107 Oct 8, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
<quoted text>
So deaf people don't have a ghost of a chance of being saved because they can't 'HEARD those words'?
No, only sitkahappy does not have a ghost of a chance.(Any dummy knows that the word "hear" when Jesus used it, means UNDERSTAND.)
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#108 Oct 8, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_...
Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All
Sam Shamoun
The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.
For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30
Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99
So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50
The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:
Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.
makara vb.(1)
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30
LL, V7, p: 256 (Source)
And:
He practised DECEIT, GUILE, or CIRCUMVENTION, desiring to do another a foul, an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing whence it proceeded.(Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon; source)
Lest Muslims accuse these lexicons of bias or distortion notice what Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,
"how the word makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or dishonesty, could be attributed to God." (The Quran and Its Interpreters – The House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992], Volume II, p. 165; italic emphasis ours)
After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor named ar-Razi who wrote that,
"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; italic emphasis ours)
Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Quran attributes deception to Allah since it identifies him as the best makr there is.
You are correct because the same god muslims have is the same god the christians have--Satan. Paul invented the man made religion called 'christian' and Muhaamud invented the man made relition called 'islam'. They both came from satan.
Dennis

Yucaipa, CA

#109 Oct 8, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> You are correct because the same god muslims have is the same god the christians have--Satan. Paul invented the man made religion called 'christian' and Muhaamud invented the man made relition called 'islam'. They both came from satan.
The King of the North and the King of the South accuse each other of being liars, yet both are liars, as per Dan. 11. These are Two man made religions (possibly more on either side) that are right now battling it out for supremacy in the world. Both the King of the North and the King of the South work for the Great Deceiver, Satan. Both have a 'god': for Christianity it is 'Jesus', for Islam it is Allah. Both have a prophet: for Christianity it is Paul, for Islam it is Mohammad. Both not only fight with each other, but they both fight within themselves. And if you are a believer in either and go against the common theology of each then you are in danger of being killed-either spiritually or literally.

These commonalities show that it is NOT the God of Creation that brought either of these religions into the world, but that they were constructed by Satan to deceive the world into believing a lie as if it is the truth.

This is why anyone that wants to know and understand the truth must use ONLY the WORDS of Jesus Christ as He gave them to His own eyewitness disciples as their standard (ref. 2 John 7-9). Doing this is the ONLY way to be protected from this deception. The good thing is that it works for EVERYONE, Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. The bad thing is that all but a very few actually believe this and practice it. Those people are the Bondservants of Jesus Christ. They are the remnant seen in Rev. 7:1-4, 12:17, 14:1-5, Matt. 24:45-51, Dan. 12:10, and the 5 Wise bridesmaids seen in Matt.25:1-13.

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