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Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#1 Jul 3, 2010
We now know that the following claims are false:

1. That Ellen White was a plagiarist.

2. That she plagiarized by paraphrasing.

3. That she was a millionaire.

4. That she was accumulating property while telling everyone else not to.

5. That Fannie Bolton wrote Steps to Christ.

6. That Ellen White engaged in "wholesale plagiarism" of Conybeare and Howson.

7. That she was threatened with a lawsuit over her alleged plagiarism.

8. That she took a dozen servants with her to Australia.

9. That she plagiarized 80-90%("and possibly more" according to some web sites).

10. That she predicted the San Francisco earthquake after it happened.

11. That she said only vegetarians will be saved.

12. That she said only sabbatarians will be saved.

13. That the Library of Congress wouldn't allow EGW's book The Great Controversy into the library because of the plagiarisms involved.

14. That an entire chapter of Sketches from the Life of Paul was "taken entirely" from a sermon by Melvill.

15. That the claim that "there is no point in the entire chapter that had not already come to Mevill before" her.

16. That she saw people on Jupiter.

17. That she made repeated claims that Jesus was coming in specific years.

18. That she asked Washburn and Crisler to undertake a research of the Life of Christ and then appropriated it and published it as Desire of Ages.

19. That she contradicted Scripture (53, or 75, or "much more than 75") times.

20. That she contradicted herself.

21. That she predicted that England would enter into the American Civil War.

22. That she copied her first vision from Foy; out of 6 examples listed that Foy said the claimant got one right.

23. or, did she copy it from Joseph Smith? Even the Mormon scholar who have looked at it don't believe it.

24. That she predicted that someone would be healed (and yet he died).

25. That SDA's "worship" Ellen White.

26. That Dr. Veltman proved she plagiarized.

27. That her visions were the result of a head injury during childhood.

28. That she was a follower of Joseph Smith.

29. That she wrote that "The Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return."

30. That she called Jesus "Michael the Archangel" (Desire of Ages pp. 99, 379; Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158; Prophets & Kings p. 572)

1) There's no reference to Michael the archangel in DA on page 379.
2) There's no equation between Christ & Michael in Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158 or Prophets & Kings p. 572.

None of the critics on this forum have ever admitted that any of these are in fact a lie.

They don't care which lie you buy into as long as you believe one.

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#2 Jul 3, 2010
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Thanks Dave for that banner.

Don't let it get buried under that hyper-drive procedure of Jesuit spam cover up.
Lay Worker

Boise, ID

#3 Jul 3, 2010
David believes EGW was a prophet, as well as being a
' continuing and authoritative source of truth' yet
she made no such claim.

Who do we believe David or Sr White?

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#4 Jul 3, 2010
Lay Worker wrote:
David believes EGW was a prophet, as well as being a
' continuing and authoritative source of truth' yet
she made no such claim.
Who do we believe David or Sr White?
Doesn't matter whether she made the claim or not the fruit of the tree is the gift of the spirit of prophecy for any of God's children.

Here sample the fruit on this tree.. It might improve your perception.

REV 19V10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: >>>for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy<<<
veritas vos liberabit

Sydney, Australia

#5 Jul 3, 2010
djconklin wrote:
We now know that the following claims are false:
1. That Ellen White was a plagiarist.
2. That she plagiarized by paraphrasing.
3. That she was a millionaire.
4. That she was accumulating property while telling everyone else not to.
5. That Fannie Bolton wrote Steps to Christ.
6. That Ellen White engaged in "wholesale plagiarism" of Conybeare and Howson.
7. That she was threatened with a lawsuit over her alleged plagiarism.
8. That she took a dozen servants with her to Australia.
9. That she plagiarized 80-90%("and possibly more" according to some web sites).
10. That she predicted the San Francisco earthquake after it happened.
11. That she said only vegetarians will be saved.
12. That she said only sabbatarians will be saved.
13. That the Library of Congress wouldn't allow EGW's book The Great Controversy into the library because of the plagiarisms involved.
14. That an entire chapter of Sketches from the Life of Paul was "taken entirely" from a sermon by Melvill.
15. That the claim that "there is no point in the entire chapter that had not already come to Mevill before" her.
16. That she saw people on Jupiter.
17. That she made repeated claims that Jesus was coming in specific years.
18. That she asked Washburn and Crisler to undertake a research of the Life of Christ and then appropriated it and published it as Desire of Ages.
19. That she contradicted Scripture (53, or 75, or "much more than 75") times.
20. That she contradicted herself.
21. That she predicted that England would enter into the American Civil War.
22. That she copied her first vision from Foy; out of 6 examples listed that Foy said the claimant got one right.
23. or, did she copy it from Joseph Smith? Even the Mormon scholar who have looked at it don't believe it.
24. That she predicted that someone would be healed (and yet he died).
25. That SDA's "worship" Ellen White.
26. That Dr. Veltman proved she plagiarized.
27. That her visions were the result of a head injury during childhood.
28. That she was a follower of Joseph Smith.
29. That she wrote that "The Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return."
30. That she called Jesus "Michael the Archangel" (Desire of Ages pp. 99, 379; Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158; Prophets & Kings p. 572)
1) There's no reference to Michael the archangel in DA on page 379.
2) There's no equation between Christ & Michael in Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158 or Prophets & Kings p. 572.
None of the critics on this forum have ever admitted that any of these are in fact a lie.
They don't care which lie you buy into as long as you believe one.
ellen never plagiarise anything at all?

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#6 Jul 3, 2010
Satan charges plagarism with the standard gospel message.

We call it
>>>for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy<<<

Same testimony spoken through different people passed down in written and verbal testimony.

Because God commissioned it.

Mat 24v14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

It really chaps satans hiny when alot of believers in God have the same message.

1st Cor 1v10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#7 Jul 3, 2010
>David believes EGW was a prophet

I don't. You lied.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#8 Jul 3, 2010
>ellen never plagiarise anything at all?

Nope.

From my bibliography (114 pages, about 690 sources):

537. Robinson, B. A. "Seventh-day Adventist Church Its origin, beliefs, practices, etc.," Retrieved Feb. 22, 2008, from http://www.religioustolerance.org/sda.htm .

He concluded (without seeing the type of study recommended by Dr. Veltman) that I had already "demonstrate[d] that there is no proof of Ellen White's plagiarism."

That was based on what I showed here:

http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/index...

The type of study Dr. Veltman recommened was published in a scholarly, refereed journal (two things the critics have yet to do): http://www.plagiary.org/papers_and_perspectiv...

Analyzing Alleged Plagiarism in Nineteenth-Century Literature: A Case Study of Ellen G. White’s The Desire of Ages

David J. Conklin, Jerry Moon, and Kevin Morgan

Plagiary 2008 3(5): 1-29 (25 July 2008)

Abstract

This paper proposes a method of determining whether the literary practice of a nineteenth-century author exceeded the generally accepted norms of literary borrowing for that same period of writing. The method takes as its case study one chapter from Ellen G. White’s Desire of Ages which, of all her works, has received the most extensive investigation regarding alleged plagiarism, and compares it to the corresponding chapters of 47 other works of the same genre and century, using the computerized literary tool WCopyfind to locate parallel phrases between the various works. These parallels are then evaluated for strength and frequency. Study results indicate that un-attributed borrowing of phraseology was rather common, and even considered to be more acceptable among the nineteenth-century authors of this genre than would be acceptable in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. The minimal borrowing by Ellen G. White in this chapter was within the acceptable standards of that era.

My study now has 130 authors compared in it.
Lay Worker

Boise, ID

#9 Jul 3, 2010
COnklin also believes EGW is a 'continuing and authoritative source of truth'

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#10 Jul 3, 2010
So is the dictionary, science books, math books, income tax tables, etc.. We've already proven that you lied.
Lay Worker

Boise, ID

#11 Jul 3, 2010
Your only defense is a four letter word yet the concept is identifiable unto yourself.

It has been shown the SDA Church has changed the definition of the spiritual gift of EGW to a continuing and authoritative source of truth. In other words she is infallible

Case closed

CONklin unfortunately you are a false witness, have no conscience and perjure yourself endlessly before God.

Math books, ditionaries, history books are not the Infallible Rule nor the Holy Scriptures.

Next time, spare us the spin -
you are not very good at it
Lay Worker

Boise, ID

#12 Jul 3, 2010
djconklin wrote:
So is the dictionary, science books, math books, income tax tables, etc.. We've already proven that you lied.
"The word of God is the most perfect educational book in our world. Yet in our colleges and schools, books produced by human intellect have been presented for the study of our students, and the Book of books, which God has given to men to be an infallible guide, has been made a secondary matter." RH. Feb 25, 1896.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#13 Jul 3, 2010
She isn't saying that we shouldn't use anything other than the Bible. Just that it deserves its rightful place.
Lay Worker

Boise, ID

#14 Jul 3, 2010
djconklin wrote:
She isn't saying that we shouldn't use anything other than the Bible. Just that it deserves its rightful place.
oh quibbler,
you just are incapable of ever being honest


you know very well the Holy Bible is infallible. You were the one to elevate the boooks of men and also EGW to the level of Scripture and infallibility.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#15 Jul 3, 2010
>you know very well the Holy Bible is infallible.

I didn't say that it wasn't, liar.

>You were the one to elevate the boooks of men and also EGW to the level of Scripture and infallibility.

Didn't say that lie either, liar.
veritas vos liberabit

Sydney, Australia

#16 Jul 4, 2010
djconklin wrote:
>ellen never plagiarise anything at all?
Nope.
From my bibliography (114 pages, about 690 sources):
537. Robinson, B. A. "Seventh-day Adventist Church Its origin, beliefs, practices, etc.," Retrieved Feb. 22, 2008, from http://www.religioustolerance.org/sda.htm .
He concluded (without seeing the type of study recommended by Dr. Veltman) that I had already "demonstrate[d] that there is no proof of Ellen White's plagiarism."
That was based on what I showed here:
http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/index...
The type of study Dr. Veltman recommened was published in a scholarly, refereed journal (two things the critics have yet to do): http://www.plagiary.org/papers_and_perspectiv...
Analyzing Alleged Plagiarism in Nineteenth-Century Literature: A Case Study of Ellen G. White’s The Desire of Ages
David J. Conklin, Jerry Moon, and Kevin Morgan
Plagiary 2008 3(5): 1-29 (25 July 2008)
Abstract
This paper proposes a method of determining whether the literary practice of a nineteenth-century author exceeded the generally accepted norms of literary borrowing for that same period of writing. The method takes as its case study one chapter from Ellen G. White’s Desire of Ages which, of all her works, has received the most extensive investigation regarding alleged plagiarism, and compares it to the corresponding chapters of 47 other works of the same genre and century, using the computerized literary tool WCopyfind to locate parallel phrases between the various works. These parallels are then evaluated for strength and frequency. Study results indicate that un-attributed borrowing of phraseology was rather common, and even considered to be more acceptable among the nineteenth-century authors of this genre than would be acceptable in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. The minimal borrowing by Ellen G. White in this chapter was within the acceptable standards of that era.
My study now has 130 authors compared in it.
so all sda scholars who show that ellen plagiarise are all wrong and you are right?

maybe they dont mind accept truth whatever truth is. and maybe you scared to face truth?

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#17 Jul 4, 2010
>so all sda scholars who show that ellen plagiarise

Name them.

>are all wrong and you are right?

What part of B. A. Roboinson's remark didn't you understand?

OTOH, that would be right. I've done the work that according to Dr. Veltman needs to be done to prove, or disporve if EGW was a plagiarist. To date I don't know of anyone else who has.

>maybe they dont mind accept truth whatever truth is.

That's my POV.

>and maybe you scared to face truth?

BUNK. If I was afraid I wouldn't have searched some 690 sources and spent 8 years studying the subject. Compare that with those who claim she was--they didn't do ANY work, because it is a four letter word for them.
veritas vos liberabit

Sydney, Australia

#18 Jul 4, 2010
djconklin wrote:
>so all sda scholars who show that ellen plagiarise
Name them.
>are all wrong and you are right?
What part of B. A. Roboinson's remark didn't you understand?
OTOH, that would be right. I've done the work that according to Dr. Veltman needs to be done to prove, or disporve if EGW was a plagiarist. To date I don't know of anyone else who has.
>maybe they dont mind accept truth whatever truth is.
That's my POV.
>and maybe you scared to face truth?
BUNK. If I was afraid I wouldn't have searched some 690 sources and spent 8 years studying the subject. Compare that with those who claim she was--they didn't do ANY work, because it is a four letter word for them.
oh dear. you not even know your sda history. i think truth scares you and you refuse to love the truth.
Thewayiseeit

Cheboygan, MI

#19 Jul 6, 2010
Lets look at #1.
The SDA admitted that by today's standards EGW did in fact plagarise. They wiggle out of it on a cheap technicality that the laws of that day didn't cover copyrights well enough to prosecute. Please just forget she existed as she was just another human that unfortunately suffered from seizures brought on by a blow to the head by a rock. Please read only the Bible without the interpretation of a person who only had a third grade education, and no formal theological training. Please....
veritas vos liberabit

Sydney, Australia

#20 Jul 6, 2010
Thewayiseeit wrote:
Lets look at #1.
The SDA admitted that by today's standards EGW did in fact plagarise. They wiggle out of it on a cheap technicality that the laws of that day didn't cover copyrights well enough to prosecute. Please just forget she existed as she was just another human that unfortunately suffered from seizures brought on by a blow to the head by a rock. Please read only the Bible without the interpretation of a person who only had a third grade education, and no formal theological training. Please....
sda scholars back in the 80s learned that as much as 85% of her visions and writings were plagerised. i only read bible and nothing else. i need not anything else besides Jesus and bible. most lies in world comes from result of people turning from bible to other books.

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