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[Robert Two]

Take REV.20:12 & 13.
It is JESUS DEATH on the cross that gives the opportunity to have your works looked into as to WHY YOU ARE DOING THIS.
Without this opportunity there would be no ETERNAL LIFE possible,
One has to accept JESUS death as the key point in LIVING the LIFE now in this world.
Seems som many cannot receive the spirit of TRUTH even though they have BIBLES.
The law oes not get you eternal life.
BUT BUT without the law there is no eternal life either. Angels move off those who do not want salvation and go to help those who want SALVATION.

Let the dead bury the dead as they are too late.

[jonebgood]

Robert Two wrote:

Take REV.20:12 & 13.
It is JESUS DEATH on the cross that gives the opportunity to have your works looked into as to WHY YOU ARE DOING THIS.
Without this opportunity there would be no ETERNAL LIFE possible,
One has to accept JESUS death as the key point in LIVING the LIFE now in this world.
Seems som many cannot receive the spirit of TRUTH even though they have BIBLES.
The law oes not get you eternal life.
BUT BUT without the law there is no eternal life either. Angels move off those who do not want salvation and go to help those who want SALVATION.
Let the dead bury the dead as they are too late.

Where do you get this stuff? Angels go to help those who want salvation? Wait I know where you get it and its not from the Word of God. The law does not get you eternal life but without it there is no eternal life? Brother you are of track. Way off.

[Mental Floss]

jonebgood wrote:

<quoted text>Where do you get this stuff? Angels go to help those who want salvation? Wait I know where you get it and its not from the Word of God. The law does not get you eternal life but without it there is no eternal life? Brother you are of track. Way off.

You MUST keep the law to gain eternal life. Jesus said so.

[Robert Two]

jonebgood wrote:

<quoted text>Where do you get this stuff? Angels go to help those who want salvation? Wait I know where you get it and its not from the Word of God. The law does not get you eternal life but without it there is no eternal life? Brother you are of track. Way off.

You are making CLAIM but where is your proof.
I supplied a couple of BIBLE TEXTS.

[Robert Two]

Mental Floss wrote:

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You MUST keep the law to gain eternal life. Jesus said so.

GOD bless you for repeating GOD on here.

[jonebgood]

By commandment keeping are ye saved through faith? By grace are ye saved through faith not of works lest any man should boast. You boast of law not of grace. So where does that put you?

[Mental Floss]

jonebgood wrote:

By commandment keeping are ye saved through faith? By grace are ye saved through faith not of works lest any man should boast. You boast of law not of grace. So where does that put you?

You only offer lip service to God. In the day of judgment, you'll be found wanting.

[Rockroller]

Mental Floss wrote:

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You only offer lip service to God. In the day of judgment, you'll be found wanting.

Exactly--See Rev. 12:17 for proof.

[Doubting Thomas]

Obedience produces works, obedience is the result of the righteousness of Christ. We can claim no credit for obedience it is the gift of God.
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1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Doubting Thomas

[GrammyJoanne]

Doubting Thomas wrote:

Obedience produces works, obedience is the result of the righteousness of Christ. We can claim no credit for obedience it is the gift of God.
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1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Doubting Thomas

Incorrect! Love produces works - Love for God and love for our fellowmen.

[Robert Two]

jonebgood wrote:

By commandment keeping are ye saved through faith? By grace are ye saved through faith not of works lest any man should boast. You boast of law not of grace. So where does that put you?

You are lumping the issue altogether.
Salvation is one thing. But being in a condition to receive it is yet another thing. Rev.20:12 & 13

[Robert Two]

GrammyJoanne wrote:

<quoted text>Incorrect! Love produces works - Love for God and love for our fellowmen.

By their FRUITS ye shall know them...

[GrammyJoanne]

Robert Two wrote:

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You are lumping the issue altogether.
Salvation is one thing. But being in a condition to receive it is yet another thing. Rev.20:12 & 13

Willing is all you have to be, not working to be acceptable or worthy and then being saved!

[GrammyJoanne]

Robert Two wrote:

<quoted text> By their FRUITS ye shall know them...

Yes, that's exactly what I just said. Fruits, works - same thing.

[DEE]

Jesus told us to do as he command and he commanded us to love neighbors and enemies as much as we love ourself/kids. And all the laws where about loving and not hurting others. That said. We are saved by grace not work. Just like how you could shower a potential lover with gifts/etc but if they dont like/accept you, you will never be togather.

[Robert Two]

GrammyJoanne wrote:

<quoted text>Willing is all you have to be, not working to be acceptable or worthy and then being saved!

You are short cutting the overall plan of salvation.
WHY hold a JUDGEMENT if it is only based on a SIMPLE BELIEF ???
You even agree with me on LOVE has us following JESUS.

Works cannot save you but FAITH without works is dead being alone.

[Robert Two]

Why does GOD want to judge our WORKS then GJ ?

[Rockroller]

Robert Two wrote:

<quoted text> By their FRUITS ye shall know them...

YES! Those fruits are either keeping the law or teaching lawlessness like Paul did.(Matt. 12:30-37) And because of the teaching of grace and faith, many will be lost because their love for God has become cold.(matt. 24:4-14)

[DEE]

So god will not judge the works of people saved. But he will explain(judge) to the people going to hell why they are. He will show that even though they were baptized (who knows how many times), and help people in Africa but still did prideful/resentful things at home, church, work, it shows that they did not really accept god as god the only being that can be prideful, seek vengeance(resentful) and that in fact said person going to hell was not a christian who actually submitted themself to god.

[Rockroller]

DEE wrote:

So god will not judge the works of people saved. But he will explain(judge) to the people going to hell why they are. He will show that even though they were baptized (who knows how many times), and help people in Africa but still did prideful/resentful things at home, church, work, it shows that they did not really accept god as god the only being that can be prideful, seek vengeance(resentful) and that in fact said person going to hell was not a christian who actually submitted themself to god.

Hey Dee, I see what you mean--I think--that there is NO need of any judgment anymore because God LOVES everyone and His Love causes His good grace to save everyone regardless if they obey the law or not. Isn't that what the Universal Church teaches?

Jesus had to have been wrong when He said; "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man (human) according to what he has or hasn't done (works)". Rev. 22:12)

And then Rev. 22:7 must have been a mistake too; "And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who HEEDS the words of the prophecy of this book."

Could Jesus have also made a mistake in Rev. 21:8 and 22:15? Why would it matter if one is still sinning and believeing in a lie? After all, didn't Paul write that NO ONE can ever become sinless?

My goodness, let's get real folks! There is NOTHING true about being saved by grace and becoming righteous by faith! Jesus never said or taught either of these lies. They came by Satan using Saul/Paul to teach a gospel and religion he invented. It's time to wake up and smell the truth! It's all about the words of Jesus and NOTHING ELSE! The words (testimony) of Jesus IS the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven!