Lucifer was the third highest being i...
alan delillo

Windham, NH

#367 Sep 1, 2012
As it was in the beginning...Praise Father Son AND HOLY GHOST
alan delillo

Windham, NH

#368 Sep 1, 2012
The last time I attended an SDA church the pastor said. Today we are here to worship the Holy Trinity.
alan delillo

Windham, NH

#369 Sep 1, 2012
Your prophetess stated the following:

“Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.”(Ellen White, The Youth’s Instructor, July 7, 1898)

Why doesn't the church follow her on this if she brought in the Trinity?
Religious sheep

York, UK

#370 Sep 1, 2012
Gents stop trying to see who can piss the furthest. If there is a true god he is absent. Instead of trying to find answers in spiritual nonsense lets make the world a better place to live in. Ban religion further modern science.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#371 Sep 1, 2012
alan delillo wrote:
As it was in the beginning...Praise Father Son AND HOLY GHOST
And you missed the first two--amazing!

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#372 Sep 1, 2012
alan delillo wrote:
The last time I attended an SDA church the pastor said. Today we are here to worship the Holy Trinity.
Let me guess: the sermon was on the Trinity.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#373 Sep 1, 2012
alan delillo wrote:
Your prophetess stated the following:
“Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.”(Ellen White, The Youth’s Instructor, July 7, 1898)
Why doesn't the church follow her on this if she brought in the Trinity?
1) I don't have a prophetess--that shows that you are way off base to begin with.
2) Anyone with more than one brain cell knows that you don't go by one statement.
30 Why'd you clip the beginning of the paragraph which shows the context in which it is to be read:

"“And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.”“And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them.”“And Jesus increased his wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.”"
Alan

Windham, NH

#374 Sep 10, 2012
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>1) I don't have a prophetess--that shows that you are way off base to begin with.
2) Anyone with more than one brain cell knows that you don't go by one statement.
30 Why'd you clip the beginning of the paragraph which shows the context in which it is to be read:
"“And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.”“And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them.”“And Jesus increased his wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.”"
I fail to see what the context has to do with it. Are you arguing that we should worship the Holy Spirit?
Alan

Windham, NH

#375 Sep 10, 2012
Page one
Let me show you how Ellen White reversed/contadicted her postion on the Holy Spirit. This has to do with our topic. She was teaching the same "Semi-Arian" doctrine that the others were teaching.
A sample of her teaching before 1898:
We need the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, that we may realize what is our obligation, and have power from on high to carry out our purposes to serve God and him only. But how little is said concerning the Holy Spirit, although it is a divine influence whereby we are to reach the souls of men. We should study upon this subject. We should talk of it in our families, in our meetings, and pray that we may be baptized with the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit will not come upon the man whose mind is a highway for sensuality. We cannot afford to make a mock at sin. We cannot afford to say to the sinner, It shall be well with thee. We can only point the transgressor to the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”{ST, August 1, 1892 par. 4}
She taught that it was an ifluence just like the others did. Here are some more. If you say I am lopping these off, I can provide the full quotes:
“God has promised his Holy Spirit, the highest power in the universe, to be embodied in men, that through faith in Jesus Christ humanity may be elevated. An influence emanating from God draws and concentrates the power of the universe, that a lost and rebel race may be reconciled and restored to God.”{ST, September 4, 1893 par. 7}
It is His purpose that the highest influence in the universe, emanating from the Source of all power, shall be theirs. They are to have power to resist evil, power that neither earth, nor death, nor hell can master, power that will enable them to overcome as Christ overcame.”{GW 39.2}1915
Early on she said that "the Lord has shown me" in the following Quote:
The Lord has shown me that Satan was once an honored angel in heaven, next to Jesus Christ... He wished to be the highest in heaven, next to God, and receive the highest honors...{1SG 17.1} 1858
And that:
Satan was once a covering cherub in the heavenly courts, the angel next in power to Christ Himself...ST, April 4, 1900 par. 2}
And also:
Sin originated with him, who, next to Christ, stood highest in the favor of God, and highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of Heaven...{4SP 316.3}
I will go over Gabriel in the next page. There are about twenty five seperate quotes in her writings like the above on Satan.
NOW COMES A NEW HEAVENLY HIEARCHY AROUND 1900 OR SO!!
Now note that in the following the word POWER is used specifically. In other words once it was the Father, Son, and Lucifer. Now it is the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit!
“The Three Highest Powers in the Universe are pledged to labor with those who will seek to save the lost.” Review and Herald August 12, 1909.
“We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,--and these powers will work ...Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51.(1905)
“The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, powers infinite and omniscient, receive those who truly enter into covenant relation with God.”
Interestin isn't it.
What intrigues me even more are the quotes she wrote out next clearly stating that the Father is the highest power
1 … Christ was doing His Father's … He held His commission and authority from the highest power, the Sovereign of heaven.
2.“God is the great I AM, the source of being, the center of authority and power.”{E.G. White, Sketches from the Life of Paul, p. 296} 1883
In the next one she states the Holy spirit is the highest power!!!
“God has promised his Holy Spirit, the highest power in the universe, to be embodied in men, that through faith in Jesus Christ humanity may be elevated. An influence emanating from God draws and concentrates the power of the universe...{ST, September 4, 1893 par. 7}
Continued next page
Alan

Windham, NH

#376 Sep 10, 2012
Page two

So I guess Lucifer wanted to be the Holy Spirit!! I am just kidding. Ellen White was teaching at one time the same "semi-Arian" doctrine as was her husband, Uriah Smith and others.
Your leaders have successfully lied to you. If she contradicted herself her role as a prophet is very quetionalble. I have personally voided her teachings on God as invalid. As a prophet I am still sudying.

I spent three years trying to justify all the contradictions in her writings and came to the point were I can not do it any more. Just to show a viewpoint from other Trinitarians read this from Max Hatton and Vance Farrell:

“Jesus is being revealed as next in line to the Father but not equal with Him. 2 Next in line to Him is Satan. The Holy Spirit has apparently no place at all in her thinking then.(EXCUSE ME BUT I HAVE A VERY WORRYING PROBLEM! Max Hatton)

and from Vance Farrell:

“And such musings (concerning Dr. Kellogg) turn our thoughts back even earlier to the days when Lucifer walked the halls of heaven, dissatisfied with being the third-highest in the universe.”(THE ALPHA OF APOSTASY, Vance Farrell)

Now for those SDAs out there that attempt to say the Holy Spirit is humble and he don't mind if Lucifer is above him--hogwash. If you go to antother part of White's writings you will see this isn yet another contradiction. The following is a segement from a book I am writing and it is on Gabriel.

An angel can be above Deity? Holy Spirit more than angels
Let’s read what Ellen White stated the following:
“They are to contend with supernatural forces, but they are assured of supernatural help. All the intelligences of heaven are in this army. And more than angels are in the ranks. The Holy Spirit, the representative of the Captain of the Lord's host, comes down to direct the battle. Our infirmities may be many, our sins and mistakes grievous; but the grace of God is for all who seek it with contrition. The power of Omnipotence is enlisted in behalf of those who trust in God.{DA 352.2}

Let me give some supporting evidence from Trinitarians who themselves state that angels could never be above deity. The following two quotes are excerpts from articles in the Review. They display how Trinitarians think and about Angels, R.A. Underwood stated:
“That this warfare is still going on, and will continue to the end of this world, is clear from verse 17 of this same chapter. Christ has put into the field, as his personal representative, the Holy Ghost, who is in charge of all the forces of God's kingdom to overthrow Satan and his angels; and the Holy Ghost is the only one to whom is delegated this authority from God. "The prince of the power of evil can be held in check only by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit."—"Special Testimony," No. 10, page 37. God and Christ have placed all the angels and the power of the throne of omnipotence under him [the Holy Spirt], to overthrow the rebellion against God's government.”(R.A. Underwood,“The Holy Spirit a Person”, Review and Herald, Vol. 75, No. 20, May 17,1898, pg. 310)
And that:
“Hence we see that the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead, has at his disposal "myriads," or "an innumerable company," of holy angels, who go, at his command, to the rescue and to the aid of every child of God
“Again: the Holy Spirit being in charge of all the holy angels, whatever is done by them under the authority of the Holy Spirit, is accredited the work of the Holy Spirit. And this should be so; for the authority comes from the one directing the work: therefore whatever the angels of God do by the command of the Holy Spirit, and acting as his representative, the Spirit is the one that does the work. It is through these angels that the Holy Spirit does his work and manifests the power of God.”(R.A. Underwood “The Holy Spirit a Person”, Review and Herald, Vol. 75, No. 20, May 17,*1898, pg. 310)

Alan

Windham, NH

#377 Sep 10, 2012
Page three

In case you are arguing that the Holy Spirit became the third highest power, uh uh. Remember she stated that Lucifer was next to Christ in Character? I’m not buying! And no Trinitarian would ever at any time put an angel above the “third person of the Godhead”. Please read what M.C Wilcox wrote in an article concerning the Spirit and angels. He is also the one who primarily drafted the 1913, 1932 statements of SDA beliefs:

“God's power, separate from his personal presence, is manifested through his Spirit. This is evident from the above scriptures as regards creation. All the worlds and the hosts that inhabit them were created through the power of the Spirit of God.… The Spirit was not dependent on the angel, but the angel on the Spirit.…Angels and men have each their offices and gifts, but the power is all of God, through his Spirit.… It is a power that all may possess, the humblest of earth as well as the highest in Heaven.”

Just for overkill, read what her son, who was not a Trinitarian stated:
“The angels, therefore, are created beings, necessarily of a lower order than their Creator. Christ is the only being begotten of the Father”.(Past, Present, and Future p52)

Let’s read again what Ellen White stated in the following:
“They are to contend with supernatural forces, but they are assured of supernatural help. All the intelligences of heaven are in this army. And more than angels are in the ranks. The Holy Spirit, the representative of the Captain of the Lord's host, comes down to direct the battle. Our infirmities may be many, our sins and mistakes grievous; but the grace of God is for all who seek it with contrition. The power of Omnipotence is enlisted in behalf of those who trust in God.{DA 352.2}

Now, Ellen White in the following specifically states Gabriel is next in rank to the Son of God. It is obvious in her mentality that Gabriel took the place of Lucifer in Heaven.

“It was Gabriel, the angel next in rank to the Son of God, who came with the divine message to Daniel. It was Gabriel, "His angel," whom Christ sent to open the future to the beloved John; and a blessing is pronounced on those who read and hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things written therein. Revelation 1:3.{DA 234.2}

Did you get that? More than angels are in the ranks—the Holy Spirit and then as we have learned Satan an Gabriel are next in rank to Christ—sort it out and good luck! No Trinitarian would put an angel above a God. There is no harmony in her teachings, to say so is only protecting and perpetuating a lie.

My email is alandelillo@hotmail.com

I am a former SDA now Sabbatarian Adventist. If you think I am being unfair tell me how. I tried for three years to justify her contradictions.I have no problems arguing about Ellen White.

I want to leave you all(SDAs that is) with one thought. Why are there two sides to this arguement? Why are there two sides to her teaching on the nature of Christ, two sides to the death of Christ on the cross?

Mabey God has done this, if she is a real prophet to punish your church for putting her on par with the bible? She stated her mind was locked on doctrinal issues from 1847-50 or so during the Sabbatarian confrences. Is it possible God did this to prevent a church from doing what Adventists have done with her writings? Because quite frankly, I don't see how it is possible that anybody could be this confusing on doctrinal matters as she was! Did she clear up anything doctrinally for the church?

Look what happens, one of you pull up a "semi-arian" quote from her. Then the other one pulls out the book evangelism with a Trinitarian like quote. Wake up guys and see what is going on!!

Step back and look at how you are all arguing from two sides of her writings--because it is both there!

End

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#379 Sep 15, 2012
>Mabey God has done this, if she is a real prophet to punish your church for putting her on par with the bible?

We don't do that--so that's a lie right there. Lie #255.
Religious sheep

Leeds, UK

#380 Sep 17, 2012
djconklin wrote:
>Mabey God has done this, if she is a real prophet to punish your church for putting her on par with the bible?
We don't do that--so that's a lie right there. Lie #255.
doesn't this tell you something about christianity. Believe god because you feel it not because what a man made religion dictates. Jesus, Mohammed its all bollocks.
Rockroller

Colorado Springs, CO

#381 Sep 17, 2012
Religious sheep wrote:
I have a question so in book of revaluations it states something along lines that once man as lost faith lucifer will rise. It also says lucifer will be defeated so by believing in A man made religion we are only facilitating us from having perfection. By doing we are allowing evil to grow.
Actually it is called "Revelation" because it is the same information that Jesus did NOT know (when He was going to come) that His Father now told Him so that Jesus can let the bondservants living in the last generation know too.

The name "Lucifer" means light bearer, and it was his job to bring the light (truth) to this earth for the humans to understand. Problem is, he didn't, but usurped God by makeing humans belive he was their god.

He is still doing that by the use of Paul's words as Jesus prophesied about in Matt. 13's wheat and tare prophecy.

This is why Michael was placed as a zygot into Mary to be born of a woman as a human and therefore called "son of man" and "Son of God". Jesus did what Lucifer did not do--bring light (truth) thruouth the words of God, to the people. Problem is, they love the words of Paul instead of the words of Jesus.
kenny

Granville, Australia

#382 Sep 17, 2012
3rd was the HS
Rockroller

Colorado Springs, CO

#383 Sep 17, 2012
kenny wrote:
3rd was the HS
The Family known as God (as ONE GOD) is made up of the Father, Mother (Holy Spirit) and the Son (Jesus Christ who was Michael before being born of a human woman). Lucifer was one of the prince's as was Michael, Gaberal and others who all were given jobs by the Father.

Lucifer's job title was to Watch and Teach the truth to the Humans created in the first 7 day creation thousands of years earlier than Adam and Eve.(Read the Septuagint for a clear understanding of this important matter).

But perhaps this information is above your pay grade? Hmmmm?
Tony

Sydney, Australia

#384 Sep 20, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> The Family known as God (as ONE GOD) is made up of the Father, Mother (Holy Spirit) and the Son (Jesus Christ who was Michael before being born of a human woman). Lucifer was one of the prince's as was Michael, Gaberal and others who all were given jobs by the Father.
Lucifer's job title was to Watch and Teach the truth to the Humans created in the first 7 day creation thousands of years earlier than Adam and Eve.(Read the Septuagint for a clear understanding of this important matter).
But perhaps this information is above your pay grade? Hmmmm?
You need to join me in therapy.
Lay Worker

Jerilderie, Australia

#385 Sep 20, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text>

The Family known as God (as ONE GOD)
Papal
birdman

Charleston, IL

#386 Sep 21, 2012
All post are here-say!

Nothing Biblical on any

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#387 Sep 22, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text>

The Family known as God (as ONE GOD)

LW: Papal
Biblical.

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