Jim Hohnberger Affair and Confession

Jim Hohnberger Affair and Confession

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Hohnberger Questions

Fort Worth, TX

#1 Sep 24, 2011
http://hohnbergeraffair.wordpress.com/

I'm sure you've heard about Jim's affair confession. He had taken his website down for a few weeks but it's up again now to sell all his books, cds, dvds. His message was one of uprightness and purity towards God and family. It is apparent that he had not been practicing what he preached for some years. My concern is that he's still selling his materials and profiting off of people that are not aware that his message has not even worked for himself.
David Koot

Petaluma, CA

#2 Sep 24, 2011
I know scratch about even who the guy is, never heard of him. I do not know what his message is. At the same time, a message may be sound even if the teacher does not follow it. What is his message? Who is he?
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#3 Sep 25, 2011
David Koot wrote:
I know scratch about even who the guy is, never heard of him. I do not know what his message is. At the same time, a message may be sound even if the teacher does not follow it. What is his message? Who is he?
Thats right, the DA knows zip, scratch, nada, zilch and none of the DA's business at all, sticky beak adding to the gossip mill!

How sad, the DA might miss out on something !
How pathetic, DA is another SDA tragic.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#4 Sep 25, 2011
The ALF is
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text> another SDA tragic.
So true!
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#5 Sep 25, 2011
theCircle wrote:
The ALF is
<quoted text>
So true!
theCircus chimp is just full of it

a white walled sepulchre and definitely not a genuine Christian, another one of those flakey doodle pinup pseudo-koresh follower who contemplates the blasphemy that angels are the Holy Spirit.
Birdman

Bettendorf, IA

#6 Sep 25, 2011
David Koot wrote:
I know scratch about even who the guy is, never heard of him. I do not know what his message is. At the same time, a message may be sound even if the teacher does not follow it. What is his message? Who is he?
It seems that there are those who "like the world" dwell on gossip,
this is like watching the shows on TV.[same thing]

If many would stick to their own lives, maybe they would see.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#7 Sep 25, 2011
The ALF are
Lay Worker wrote:
a white walled sepulchre and definitely not genuine Christians, another one of those flakey doodle pinup pseudo-koresh followers who contemplates blasphemy.
So true!
Hohnberger Questions

Fort Worth, TX

#8 Sep 25, 2011
My first time here so could you please explain the acronyms like "DA" and "ALF" ?

Thanks
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#9 Sep 25, 2011
Hohnberger Questions wrote:
My first time here so could you please explain the acronyms like "DA" and "ALF" ?
Thanks
Hoenberger did not fully grasp the message of 1888. The carnal nature is a fierce competitor for the allurement of transgression.

The questions raised all indicate a solid Bible principle noted in Numbers 32:23.

Acccept the mans confession,- a confession and no repentance is meaningless.

And why be a follower of Hoenberger - now consider Isa 2:22

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#10 Sep 25, 2011
The ALF have a
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
carnal nature, a fierce competitor for the allurement of transgression.
So true!
Hohnberger Affair

United States

#12 Sep 29, 2011
Those that are familiar with Jim and Sally Hohnberger's message should be upset that they are continuing to sell their materials after the recent revelations of Jim's secret affair with his personal assistant. Jim held up a higher standard for us all and now he doesn't want to be held up to the same standard. He just wants to move on and forget.
Rockroller

Colorado Springs, CO

#13 Sep 29, 2011
Hohnberger Affair wrote:
Those that are familiar with Jim and Sally Hohnberger's message should be upset that they are continuing to sell their materials after the recent revelations of Jim's secret affair with his personal assistant. Jim held up a higher standard for us all and now he doesn't want to be held up to the same standard. He just wants to move on and forget.
I know Jim and Sally personally and presented evidence to him that his understanding of salvation was not correct. He strongly believed in being saved by grace and righteousness by faith, which were the teachings of the false apostle Paul. No wonder he thought that not obeying all of the ten commandments were no problem--just like most other people who call themselves "Christian".

Jim started out in Boulder Colorado as an assistant preacher and then moved on to southern California where he was the Pastor for the Grand Terrace SDA church. I liked him very much and he was a very 'nice' guy. But being good or nice is just not enough for salvation.
Hohnberger Affair

United States

#14 Sep 29, 2011
"Jim started out in Boulder Colorado as an assistant preacher and then moved on to southern California where he was the Pastor for the Grand Terrace SDA church. I liked him very much and he was a very 'nice' guy. But being good or nice is just not enough for salvation."

Not the same Jim Hohnberger. This guy runs the ministry Empowered Living Ministry. He has basically lived in Wisconsin/Montana for most of his life.
AnotherSinner

United States

#15 Oct 1, 2011
I have known Jim and Sally for years. When I heard about this I went through the full spectrum of emotions, including anger. I felt betrayed and a upset. For years I couldn't understand why I could not hear Gods voice. I thought it was because of the sin in my life. So now I ask, "was Jim really hearing Gods voice?" it is possible I guess afterall David was not only an adulterer but also a murderer! Yet God accounts David a righteous man. THE DIFFERENCE WAS DAVID WAS TRULY REPENTANT!
We all need to give Jim time to work this out. His lack of true repentance is not for us to judge at all. Leaving the store open does not indicate that he is not going through a healing process. Denial is a natural reaction in human nature when one gets his hand caught in the cookie jar!!! Also, many of the items in the web store are written by Sally.
LETS GIVE JIM, SALLY, JANELL AND THE FAMILY AS WELL AS CLOSE FRIENDS TIME TO HEAL AND STOP THROWING STONES. WE ARE ALL SINNERS AND IF YOU THINK YOUR SINS ARE CONSIDERED ANY LESS BY GOD YOU ARE WRONG. JESUS DIED ON THAT CROSS FOR ALL SINNERS!!!!!!!

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#16 Oct 1, 2011
More people looking to others instead of looking to Jesus.
Bonnie June

United States

#17 Oct 1, 2011
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text>
I know Jim and Sally personally and presented evidence to him that his understanding of salvation was not correct. He strongly believed in being saved by grace and righteousness by faith, which were the teachings of the false apostle Paul. No wonder he thought that not obeying all of the ten commandments were no problem--just like most other people who call themselves "Christian".
Jim started out in Boulder Colorado as an assistant preacher and then moved on to southern California where he was the Pastor for the Grand Terrace SDA church. I liked him very much and he was a very 'nice' guy.

But being good or nice is just not enough for salvation.
Many on this forum do not recognize this last statement of yours, they base everything of truth on reliance of whether you are being the nice guy.

This last statement should be a real eye opener to most of those who think the nice guy mentality is evidence is of the true christian, while living and walking in sin, but even Jim Hoenberger failed while being the nice guy, it sure did not keep him from 8 years of sin against his wife and God.

So should we really meansure a mans message and him being a nice guy whether he is preaching the truth?
Bonnie June

United States

#18 Oct 1, 2011
Hoenberger
I have met and been in long conversations with Jim in the past several times. His message as good as it sounded was not enough for even him to believe and to overcome sin in his life after all it was not a mere simple indiscretion or misdemeanor.

That affair though he stated it was not the actual sex act was far from the little indiscretion he admitted too, it lasted for 8 years, that is a real unclean, unclean lengthy affair for heavens sake.

How his wife can overlook Jims long duration of cheating on her and their marriage vows, only shows she is in as much denial of the whole problematic incidence as he is and that is beyond me.
The whole thing comes down to Jims real religious problem.

Jims message is to stay in the church and that is where the root of the problem lies. No pun intended.
When someone cannot admit to the individual responsibility of the corporate accountability of the Apostasy and the sin problem against the word of God in the Seventh-day Adventist church and to not depart from it will eventually cherish it and live within that sinful corrupt domain for then one cannot even recognize their own sin problem that could last in reality in their own life for a good eight years.

It is this living in blindness walking in that very darkness that the corporate open sin of the Seventh-day Adventist church had overtaken Jim.
Then that corporate open sin becomes your individual life’s sin and even Hoenberger was not strong enough not following God’s voice not heeding God’s warning, when God says, come out of her my people to separate from apostasy and iniquity out and from the Seventh-day Adventist church. When he was in the camp Jim like so many others could not walk truthfully with his/their Lord following Christ outside the camp as Christ said to do and have no part with unrighteousness with the whole of the Seventh-day Adventist iniquity.

Lev. 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty:[but] in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

The two cannot mingle together in the church full of tares. God has and is calling out the wheat from among the tares and so God will do until probation closes for the individual and do you know when that will occur better not to be caught when you do not know in that apostasy and iniquity. That is and was Honebergers problem.

The Bible says mingling with/in sin will rotten the whole basket.

Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?[Is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance?(I speak as a man)
3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
3:8 And not [rather],(as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
3:9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Come out from among them and be ye separate.
Bonnie June

United States

#19 Oct 1, 2011
Come out from among them and be ye separate.

2 Cor. 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
Jim cannot see that either for he even stated as much as to say his silver had become… Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot!

it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it;

but now murderers.

1:22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

Jer. 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail,[and] the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion,[that] bewaileth herself,[that] spreadeth her hands,[saying],
Woe [is] me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.

That has happened to Jim as so many others for he has been mingling with murderers.

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

These people that are told this by their Lord were not even there but because of the corporate accountability and individual responsibility they are responsible for being those who betrayed Christ and responsible for his death though not there at the time.

The whole world is responsible for the death of Christ though not there at the incident not there at the actual even this is corporate and individual responsibility being taught in the Bible that is why the cal of Christ is “Come out of her my people” for die in your sins from their sins in the church.

This next text shows how important it is not to follow false doctrines of the church when the church never had the doctrine of false gods of the

Triune Trinity

but voted it in to their fundamental statements of belief in 1980 that is when the call of God came to those who would hear and follow His call to Come out of her my people and not to be receivers of her plagues for her sins stretch all the way to heaven and you will pay the price for not heeding it with your lives.

1 Tim. 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that is contrary to

sound doctrine;

Worshiping false gods is not the sound doctrine of the true Gods.

Gen 1:1 and John 1:1

Matthew is about to happen again… 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
25:9 But the wise answered, saying,[Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage:

and the door was shut.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#20 Oct 1, 2011
Bonnie June wrote:
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Many on this forum do not recognize this last statement of yours, they base everything of truth on reliance of whether you are being the nice guy.
This last statement should be a real eye opener to most of those who think the nice guy mentality is evidence is of the true christian, while living and walking in sin, but even Jim Hoenberger failed while being the nice guy, it sure did not keep him from 8 years of sin against his wife and God.
So should we really meansure a mans message and him being a nice guy whether he is preaching the truth?
BJ

Thats an excellent summation and hits the nail right on the head. NOthing worse than phoney righteousness by faith. Its all about the phoney lerv and not of God.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#21 Oct 1, 2011
And that's all I needed to hear to know to go in the other direction.

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