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Jeff

Loma Linda, CA

#1 Jul 9, 2007
Can I be a Freemason and an Adventist? It seem William Miller was a Freemason. It also appears that our logo is Masonic symbol...it is an eye within a pyramid. What think you all?
Jon

United States

#2 Jul 15, 2007
I did a search for secret societies on the Ellen White Estate web page.
Here is one quote I found, might wanna stay out of that...
I have been permitted to look in upon these secret societies, their feasts, their order, their works, and my prayer has been, "Hide them from my sight forever. Let me not understand more." One thing I do know, that those who remain in connection with them will be burned up with the bundles of tares, one with them in the last day.{20MR 286.2}
matangi

Suva, Fiji

#3 Jul 19, 2007
Now be very careful of the new ideas been introduced in our church today if it's not biblical then you should put a question mark on that person and where is he getting his facts from.
Ian

Alliston, Canada

#4 Sep 21, 2007
Jeff wrote:
Can I be a Freemason and an Adventist? It seem William Miller was a Freemason. It also appears that our logo is Masonic symbol...it is an eye within a pyramid. What think you all?
Hi, here's some info on the matter from a CD I have with all of EGW's writings -
EARLY IN HER SOJOURN IN AUSTRALIA (1891-1900) ELLEN WHITE WAS CALLED UPON TO GIVE COUNSEL TO A PROMINENT WORKER IN OUR PUBLISHING HOUSE WHO HAD BECOME DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE ACTIVITIES OF THE MASONIC LODGE. THE COUNSEL SHE PRESENTED TO THIS BROTHER LED HIM TO SEVER HIS CONNECTIONS WITH THE LODGE IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT HE HAD ATTAINED THE HIGHEST DEGREE OF HONOR IN THE ORGANIZATION.{2SM 120.1}
Daniel

Brisbane, Australia

#5 Oct 15, 2007
Jeff wrote:
Can I be a Freemason and an Adventist? It seem William Miller was a Freemason. It also appears that our logo is Masonic symbol...it is an eye within a pyramid. What think you all?
I think you will find Miller was a freemason BEFORE he became a Christian. He also preached before the Seventh Day Adventist Church was formed. We see him as one of our pioneers but really he was to us what Martin Luther was to us: a great man of God who saw not all things.

This eye within a pyramid you speak of. How is that connected to the SDA church? I have seen it on American money (the historical ties between American politicians and freemasonry is legendary) but I have never seen it in connection with our church. Please explain...
mel

Chattanooga, TN

#6 Oct 26, 2007
yes, please explain the connection to the church. i know it's EVERYWHERE else, but whereso in the adventist church?
Mike Mogan

Wyalusing, PA

#7 Nov 3, 2007
well, this is kind of strange,Ellen G.White's tombstone is a obelisk,how did that happen?
Daniel

Buderim, Australia

#8 Nov 3, 2007
Mike Mogan wrote:
well, this is kind of strange,Ellen G.White's tombstone is a obelisk,how did that happen?
I believe that an obelisk was (and still is) a popular shape for a family gravestone. This doesn't mean that every single person buried under one is a pagan. Just like not everyone buried under a cross is a christian. It's just a random shape. Not everything that a person does in their life (or death) holds spiritual significance. Someone obviously selected a pretty family grave stone for the White lot without giving much thought to the conspiracy theories that would arise.
Lay worker

Australia

#9 Nov 4, 2007
the symbnolism of the obelisk says much more than a "popular shape" or the notion of some vague pretty family grave stone; for one who Was a Protestant and to have this placed as a tombstone is saying something - visit the cemetries and observe the segregation of the religious sectors and then note how many have "IHS" with obelisks and then how many in the protestant sector dont.

Infiltration had occured in Advetnism and if it had not there just would not be the trouble occuring today and within 16 yrs of her death in 1915 we have the introduction of the central doctrine of the Little Horn into the Statements of belief - fully ratified in Dallas in 1980.

do a wee bit more research on obelisks for graves Daniel -

Since: Nov 07

Sierra Vista, AZ

#10 Nov 4, 2007
Infiltration is the cause, and the effect has been a tremendous amount of the world coming into the church. It seems strange that when you visit the Sabbath School there are so many different voices because everyone has one of the many corrupt versions of the Bible. One particular version displaying the triqueta which is a representaion of the "Beasts" foundational pillar, so those who are worshiping the Trinity are in verity worshiping the Beast and the Dragon who gave him his authority....This is the message of the third Angel, we will either be worshiping Him who made and having an understanding of what the Bible says about God, or we will be worshiping Satan, via a false view of God.
jeff

Loma Linda, CA

#11 Nov 8, 2007
Let me explain the occult significance of the SDA logo. First take a look at the logo at www.adventist.org (top right corner). Overall, it is in the shape of a pyramid and there is the outline of an eye in the center...i.e. pyramid with all seeing eye. The official explanation (see logo toolkit pdf on official site) is that it is a "globe" which is never clarified further...I think it means occular globe or eye. Regardless, this symbol is a pyramid with an all seeing eye. Pretty weird.

Next, look at the cross which is in relief. The cross extends further up than down if you look closely. IT IS UPSIDE DOWN. WOW!!

Finally, there are 6 flames that encircle the "globe". Nice! Good to see the number six aint it.

By accident or design, the adventist symbol is highly occult.

What say you all.

P.S. Research the connection between Loma Linda University and the masonic organization the Forresters. Alternately, research the connection between the pope and the adventist GC pres
Tom King

Humble, TX

#12 Nov 8, 2007
Walk with God. Study the Word. He will answer that question for you.
Lay worker

Australia

#13 Nov 9, 2007
Consider the Triquetra another pagan symbol which is found point blank in the NKJV used commonly in Advenitsm today - this would not startle a sleeping Laodicean because it happens to represent the Fundamental #2 - so they say!

Consider why the Adventist Church in 1976 had to hand over a gold medallion symbolising the church to the Paul VI; then read what happened to Hezekiah when he showed his treasures!
Jeff

Loma Linda, CA

#14 Nov 9, 2007
http://parl.gc.adventist.org/aboutus/staff/be...

Wow. His official page has a list of masonic and catholic associations. Nice!!!

Why are adventists so blind to what is going on in their church?
Lay worker

Australia

#15 Nov 9, 2007
yep -

BB Beach has deceived the laity and shows who he is affiliated and chummy with! He has a lot to answer for and his fraternising/harlotry and commending the Adventist community to so follow!

You would think James Standish whose photo is prominent and is head of the RL dept would know better but then he got his doctorate of jurisprudence from a RC university! His father, Russell, evidently saw no problem with that! Though decries all the apostasy for the concerned brethren but still advocates stay in apostasy!

Go figure?
Daniel

Brisbane, Australia

#16 Nov 11, 2007
Lay worker wrote:
Consider the Triquetra another pagan symbol which is found point blank in the NKJV used commonly in Advenitsm today - this would not startle a sleeping Laodicean because it happens to represent the Fundamental #2 - so they say!
Consider why the Adventist Church in 1976 had to hand over a gold medallion symbolising the church to the Paul VI; then read what happened to Hezekiah when he showed his treasures!
Dear Friend;

The meeting with the pope in Rome in 1977 was a standard meeting of the Christian World Communions. All the denominations meet together periodically to discuss things such as religious liberty issues and church vs state. When these meetings take place, it is customary to present the other denominational leaders with a gift or memento. The pope presented the Adventist church with a medal, and the Adventist church presented the pope with a picture and message book and one of the standard medallions available in the GC to give to leading personalities (both religious and political) as a good will token. This medal was not struck especially for the pope. The medal shows the Adventist message "Behold He cometh" and "Every eye shall see Him". The ten commandments are also represented, all in numerals except the fourth which is written out: "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy". This is hardly giving the church to the pope. The medal itself, along with the book contains a message that the pope considers heresy. It was actually courageous witnessing, and may have even angered the pontiff. I'm glad that man took the opportunity to deliver literature right to the seat of anti-christ. It was a very brave move.

As for our logo, there is no intentional pyramid shape. If you look closely, the pages of the Bible and the flames do not actually form a proper triangle, but a skewed one. If someone had intended a pyramid shape, don't you think they would have adjusted the design to make it equilateral? The Bible is represented at the bottom, and the cross is not upside down, rather it's top ends at the top of the Bible's pages. The flame represents the Holy spirit as it appeared in Acts. You will notice that it does not actually contain 6 stripes but 3, which begin at the cross and curl around themselves in the centre before rising to the top.

May God speak to your hearts as you continue to study His Word

Daniel
Daniel

Brisbane, Australia

#17 Nov 11, 2007
My apologies, I should have said that the 3 flames curl around the globe in the centre and rise to the top. This represents the fact that Jesus commanded us to go to every nation, tribe, tongue and people. Ours is a worldwide church, and like those flames we believe that the Holy Spirit is encircling the globe for one great final harvest before Jesus returns.

Love and peace

Daniel
jeff

Loma Linda, CA

#18 Nov 11, 2007
I do not see how you connect the flames to be only three. Certainly, there are six. The pyramid is only "skewed" because the second set of 3 flames do not wrapp around and extend to the top. Why? The pyramid without a cap stone is a common symbol of incomplete work in the occult. Certainly, most adventists are unaware of the goings on in the GC and do not subscribe to its purpose (as you yourself seem not to). Thus, the pyrammid is unfinished, i.e. does not have a cap stone.

what say you?

As for the cross, I can not say that the cross extends up the side of the flame with anymore certainty than you can say it ends at the top of the book (i.e. the Bible as you suggest or is it Morals and Dogma). I would just quote P. Hall who says that symbols are meant to reveal (to the initiated) and to conceal (from the common man). Are you sure it ends where you think it ends?:)

I say if the GC is not into this nonsense then change the logo. It really is that simple.

Look carefully at this site and do a little google research...it may interest you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_T%...
Daniel

Brisbane, Australia

#19 Nov 11, 2007
jeff wrote:
I do not see how you connect the flames to be only three. Certainly, there are six. The pyramid is only "skewed" because the second set of 3 flames do not wrapp around and extend to the top. Why? The pyramid without a cap stone is a common symbol of incomplete work in the occult. Certainly, most adventists are unaware of the goings on in the GC and do not subscribe to its purpose (as you yourself seem not to). Thus, the pyrammid is unfinished, i.e. does not have a cap stone.
what say you?
As for the cross, I can not say that the cross extends up the side of the flame with anymore certainty than you can say it ends at the top of the book (i.e. the Bible as you suggest or is it Morals and Dogma). I would just quote P. Hall who says that symbols are meant to reveal (to the initiated) and to conceal (from the common man). Are you sure it ends where you think it ends?:)
I say if the GC is not into this nonsense then change the logo. It really is that simple.
Look carefully at this site and do a little google research...it may interest you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_T%...
I think that if you look at the globe shape in the centre you will be able to see that it is three stripes that wrap around the globe and then rise to the top. You see 6 stripes but the second three are actually the continuation of the same three which begin at the cross. However I really don't see us coming to an agreement, it is obvious that we will not.

Let's take a hypothetical situation: let's say that the GC is full of occultists and power/money hungry decievers as you seem to think. That does not change the fact that the church is full of genuine Christians who love God. All church leadership has it's problems because churches are human institutions. Even a church that is doctrinally perfect will still be plagued by all the same problems that occur in other churches because Satan is continually successful in tempting humanity. Sometimes we just have to try to live up to our conscience and do the best that we can.

Brother, it seems to me that you have a great deal of animosity toward the Seventh Day Adventist church. If any Seventh Day Adventist has hurt you, I would like to apologise deeply from the bottom of my heart. Brother, I hope we can still be friends in Christ, even if we disagree on certain points. I hope that God can give you the power to forgive whatever has been done to you by us, because you need to empty your heart of malice and forgive in order to accept Jesus fully.

Love in Jesus

Daniel
Daniel

Australia

#20 Nov 12, 2007
jeff wrote:
As for the cross, I can not say that the cross extends up the side of the flame with anymore certainty than you can say it ends at the top of the book (i.e. the Bible as you suggest or is it Morals and Dogma). I would just quote P. Hall who says that symbols are meant to reveal (to the initiated) and to conceal (from the common man). Are you sure it ends where you think it ends?:)
I say if the GC is not into this nonsense then change the logo. It really is that simple.
Look carefully at this site and do a little google research...it may interest you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_T%...
I just had another look at the logo and I know the answer to your question. When the crucifix is represented, the top section of the cross is customarily the same length as the two arms of it, and the bottom section twice the length of the other three. What I mean is that the crucifix is usually represented in this stylised form with the cross bar being approximately half the length of the vertical beam and positioned three quarters of the way up it. If the cross in the logo is upside down, then the crossbeam is much too short. When we are stylising something in this way for a logo, it is customary to stick to stereotypes and accepted forms for ease of identification and recognition. It seems to make sense then that the top of the cross ends at the top of the book.

About the book. I believe it is the Bible. If it is "Morals and Dogma", why is it that the Seventh Day Adventist church publicly rejects nearly every principle in that volume? No Adventist would accept the principles of Mary-worship and Sunday keeping, and the immortality of the soul espoused in "Morals and Dogma". That just doesn't seem to make sense my friend.

Love in Jesus

Daniel

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