ADVENTISTS on JIMMY SWAGGART MINISTRIES!

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Kingfisher

Gulf Breeze, FL

#1 Jul 8, 2012
Please Google: Frances and Friends, and then click on the ARCHIVES of June 5,6 and 7 to view the discussion about Seventh-day Adventists. Let's hear what your impressions are.

“Adonai YHWH Jesus Saves!”

Since: Jul 12

PRAISE HIM Love Never Fails..

#2 Jul 8, 2012
Thank you,I watched the first one,very helpful..Hopefully will have a chance to finish watching later..Take care. Gud velsigne deg!(God bless you!)
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#3 Jul 9, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
Please Google: Frances and Friends, and then click on the ARCHIVES of June 5,6 and 7 to view the discussion about Seventh-day Adventists. Let's hear what your impressions are.
They have NO CLUE as to what TRUE Adventists believe and why. Besides, their whole foundational understanding is flawed--they too believe in lies from Paul! That's like the pot calling the kettle black!
birdman

Charleston, IL

#4 Jul 9, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> They have NO CLUE as to what TRUE Adventists believe and why. Besides, their whole foundational understanding is flawed, That's like the pot calling the kettle black!
WELL SAID AND TRUE!

“Adonai YHWH Jesus Saves!”

Since: Jul 12

PRAISE HIM Love Never Fails..

#5 Jul 9, 2012
birdman wrote:
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WELL SAID AND TRUE!
I haven't finished watching it yet,Maybe I shouldn't now if you are saying that Birdie.Have you watched it ?....
birdman

Charleston, IL

#7 Jul 9, 2012
Lori norskigirl wrote:
<quoted text>I haven't finished watching it yet,Maybe I shouldn't now if you are saying that Birdie.Have you watched it ?....
Most all and I have listened to J Swaggert for many years, but I love his music
jonebgood

Abbotsford, Canada

#8 Jul 9, 2012
I can see where Adventists have a problem with this. When they are told that Christianity is being in relationship with Jesus Christ most could not grasp what that means. The invesigative judgement has been a controversial subject in Adventism and as was correctly stated, if this doctrine was discarded EGW would be a false prophet. I am sure most would agree with JSM regarding the Catholic church. Rockroller has but one doctrine and that is he doesnt accept Pauls writings as part of the word of God, and most here find that really cultic teaching. Getting back to the relationship part I can testify that looking back I was in a relationship with a church and the pride of being in what I considered the "truth". Not a happy place to be.
Kingfisher

Gulf Breeze, FL

#9 Jul 9, 2012
jonebgood wrote:
I can see where Adventists have a problem with this. When they are told that Christianity is being in relationship with Jesus Christ most could not grasp what that means. The invesigative judgement has been a controversial subject in Adventism and as was correctly stated, if this doctrine was discarded EGW would be a false prophet. I am sure most would agree with JSM regarding the Catholic church. Rockroller has but one doctrine and that is he doesnt accept Pauls writings as part of the word of God, and most here find that really cultic teaching. Getting back to the relationship part I can testify that looking back I was in a relationship with a church and the pride of being in what I considered the "truth". Not a happy place to be.
I would be interested in your opinion of Adventist Alternative. Seems to me you are a free thinker and might find some common ground. The book confirmed to me what you personally perceived and experienced. Charl
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#10 Jul 9, 2012
jonebgood wrote:
I can see where Adventists have a problem with this. When they are told that Christianity is being in relationship with Jesus Christ most could not grasp what that means. The invesigative judgement has been a controversial subject in Adventism and as was correctly stated, if this doctrine was discarded EGW would be a false prophet. I am sure most would agree with JSM regarding the Catholic church. Rockroller has but one doctrine and that is he doesnt accept Pauls writings as part of the word of God, and most here find that really cultic teaching. Getting back to the relationship part I can testify that looking back I was in a relationship with a church and the pride of being in what I considered the "truth". Not a happy place to be.
RR KNOWS that Paul's words are NOT the words of God the Creator! If anyone calls Paul's words the words of God they will probably be surprised when they are told by Jesus that He does not know them and then they learn how to do the back stroke in the lake of fire. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not a good thing to do.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#11 Jul 9, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
<quoted text>I would be interested in your opinion of Adventist Alternative. Seems to me you are a free thinker and might find some common ground. The book confirmed to me what you personally perceived and experienced. Charl
Jesus is not looking for free thinkers, He is looking for bondservants. You will need to know what Jesus said first.

Freemasionery is a religion made for free thinkers and their one doctrine is reasonableness.
Kingfisher

Gulf Breeze, FL

#12 Jul 10, 2012
By "free thinkers" we mean members who are capable and willing to think and study OUTSIDE the SDA box in which so many had been brainwashed. Jesus wants us to think and make decisions OURSELVES. Right? Or should we be robots and allow others to tell us what to believe? The acid-test is the BIBLE!

“Adonai YHWH Jesus Saves!”

Since: Jul 12

PRAISE HIM Love Never Fails..

#13 Jul 10, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
By "free thinkers" we mean members who are capable and willing to think and study OUTSIDE the SDA box in which so many had been brainwashed. Jesus wants us to think and make decisions OURSELVES. Right? Or should we be robots and allow others to tell us what to believe? The acid-test is the BIBLE!
Thank you,I will continue to watch I am interested in what more it has to say,especially about the Investigative Judgement..Take care.
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#14 Jul 10, 2012
Lori norskigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you,I will continue to watch I am interested in what more it has to say,especially about the Investigative Judgement..Take care.
This is the doctrine of an Investigative Judgment in a nutshell.

Upon the very instant of conception, as they say, an angel is immediately assigned to you. He is given an iPad (the latest version, I think, I'm not sure) upon which he MUST immediately start recording EVERY CRY, ACTION, THOUGHT AND WORD in the cloud (the iCloud). If he doesn't, then woe be unto you when your name comes up in the judgment because there would be nothing upon which to base your salvation or damnation. Most times, your case ends up in pergatory until a Divine decision could be made about you; or sometimes, it delays the deliberations of the court for years on end.

During these sessions, the devil is always there stamping his foot and pounding his fists, accusing you of whatnot, and there is Jesus ever getting up from his throne and standing before God, shouting above the cacophony orchestrated by the devil and his monsters, there he is often shouting mightily, "My blood! My blood!" Many times, the court has to go into recess in order to bring some decency to the proceedings.

Anyway, as luck would have it, by a certain chance, a certain Hiram Edson (and if you pronounce it slowly, you would understand), while strolling through a cornfield ruminating on matters of grave disappointment, happened to look up and saw a cloud formation which he interpreted to mean that the whole court of heaven suddenly got up and wheeled their thrones over into a holier apartment than the one they where in, except that this last one was in a certain sense, overwhelmingly filthy with all kinds of books covered with dust from years of deglect --- in 1838, 1842 or 1844, nobody knows exactly when, but by running to and fro, they settled on the last date.

So the court has been in session in that room to this day. SDA say that they are waiting for the sign that Jesus is about to put on his kingly robes. Methinks they are an evil and adulterous generation.
jonebgood

Abbotsford, Canada

#15 Jul 10, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus is not looking for free thinkers, He is looking for bondservants. You will need to know what Jesus said first.
Freemasionery is a religion made for free thinkers and their one doctrine is reasonableness.
Jesus is looking for bondservants? Here I thought that Jesus came into this world for sinners. You are telling me He is looking for people who say "all that Thou hast said we will do" and then fall flat on thier faces. It is not bondservants Jesus is looking for it is lost and wandering sheep. It is people like me who, before meeting Jesus was a desparate dead and lost person. You dont need a Saviour because you have already come as a perfect bondservant. We can only become servants of Christ when we have been born again and are led by the Spirit of the Living God. To back your flawed theology you tear apart the Word of God.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#16 Jul 10, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
By "free thinkers" we mean members who are capable and willing to think and study OUTSIDE the SDA box in which so many had been brainwashed. Jesus wants us to think and make decisions OURSELVES. Right? Or should we be robots and allow others to tell us what to believe? The acid-test is the BIBLE!
Yes and no. The test is found in John 14:26 and 17:17-22. The reason why we all argue on this blog is because of the mistaken use of YOUR acid test, the bible. As Abe Lincoln and Ben Franklin wrote, the bible can be very confusing if you allow the words of anyone else other than the words of Jesus and the OT to build your foundational belief. Ben and Abe knew that Paul's words all but destroyed the words of Jesus given to us by His eyewitnesses.
J Swaggart makes the same mistake as about 100% of those who call themselves 'christian'. Personly, now that I can see the truth from the words of Jesus, I can't call myself a 'christian' any longer just as Ben Franklin said. While he chose to become a Freemason, I choose to become a bondservant for Jesus Christ.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#17 Jul 10, 2012
jonebgood wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus is looking for bondservants? Here I thought that Jesus came into this world for sinners. You are telling me He is looking for people who say "all that Thou hast said we will do" and then fall flat on thier faces. It is not bondservants Jesus is looking for it is lost and wandering sheep. It is people like me who, before meeting Jesus was a desparate dead and lost person. You dont need a Saviour because you have already come as a perfect bondservant. We can only become servants of Christ when we have been born again and are led by the Spirit of the Living God. To back your flawed theology you tear apart the Word of God.
Personally, I don't give a 'whit' about 'theology' as it is a study of others opinions about religion. I don't give a 'whit' about religion either as all of them were made by man.

What I do care about is the words of Jesus given to us by His eyewitnessis in order for us to KNOW Jesus. I also care about the OT as one would or could not know about the future without seeing what took place in the past.

Now, if you call the words of Jesus "flawed", then that is your choice and you will be held liable for that, not me!

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#18 Jul 10, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus is not looking for free thinkers, He is looking for bondservants. You will need to know what Jesus said first.
Freemasionery is a religion made for free thinkers and their one doctrine is reasonableness.
Jesus is looking for servants bonded exclusively to HIM, not to some man-made religious organization or denomination (e.g., the SDA Church).
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#19 Jul 10, 2012
GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus is looking for servants bonded exclusively to HIM, not to some man-made religious organization or denomination (e.g., the SDA Church).
Grams, how about the two of us start bonding together EVERY Sabbath day, just like Jesus did?

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#20 Jul 10, 2012
Stuff wrote:
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Grams, how about the two of us start bonding together EVERY Sabbath day, just like Jesus did?
I'm bonded to Jesus and rest in Him (my Sabbath Rest) EVERY day, 24/7. Care to join me?
jonebgood

Abbotsford, Canada

#21 Jul 11, 2012
Stuff wrote:
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Grams, how about the two of us start bonding together EVERY Sabbath day, just like Jesus did?
Jesus was born under the law thats why He attended the synagouge on the Jewish sabbath.

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