Why don't SDA's keep the Feast Days o...
SDAfeastkeeper

Dunlap, TN

#1264 Feb 5, 2013
Sorry to get involved but Kevin has a good point! They have a better chance if you leave them alone. But that's not Biblical, we are told to go to the ends of the earth and spread the gospel(be missionaries), which is the good news that we don't have to be lost, we have a Saviour. There is no reason to preach the gospel without expecting the LORD to fulfill his word, " the word will not return void but will accomplish the purpose that it is sent...salvation...conversion. We are told not only to go, but to make disciples....more missionaries. There is aslo punishment for not telling others Eze. 33
Anonymous

Benoni, South Africa

#1265 Feb 5, 2013
SDAfeastkeeper wrote:
Sorry to get involved but Kevin has a good point! They have a better chance if you leave them alone. But that's not Biblical, we are told to go to the ends of the earth and spread the gospel(be missionaries), which is the good news that we don't have to be lost, we have a Saviour. There is no reason to preach the gospel without expecting the LORD to fulfill his word, " the word will not return void but will accomplish the purpose that it is sent...salvation...conversion. We are told not only to go, but to make disciples....more missionaries. There is aslo punishment for not telling others Eze. 33
"_WE_ are told to go to the ends of the earth and spread the gospel(be missionaries)"?! "_WE_"?! "_WE_" se alie man!
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#1266 Feb 5, 2013
Gerhard Ebersoehn wrote:
<quoted text>
A true Christian will preach the Gospel to preach the Gospel, not to 'save souls'. That is God's work.
And to send missionaries was a secret agenda of the Roman Catholic church executed through its secret agents the charismatics. Where did you hear of the true Church sending missionaries? Only the apostles received orders to THEMSELVES go preach the Gospel to all the world. The true Church of Christ preaches the Gospel of Jesus in its own home period
BZZZZT--Wrong! But almost right--as the name of the gospel that the true apostles/disciples taught was called "The Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven"--and NOT called "The Gospel of Jesus". Matt. 24:14 proves it.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#1267 Feb 5, 2013
SDAfeastkeeper wrote:
Sorry to get involved but Kevin has a good point! They have a better chance if you leave them alone. But that's not Biblical, we are told to go to the ends of the earth and spread the gospel(be missionaries), which is the good news that we don't have to be lost, we have a Saviour. There is no reason to preach the gospel without expecting the LORD to fulfill his word, " the word will not return void but will accomplish the purpose that it is sent...salvation...conversion. We are told not only to go, but to make disciples....more missionaries. There is aslo punishment for not telling others Eze. 33
Was the gospel that Jesus taught and then told His disciples to teach to the gentiles, the same gospel as Paul taught? If so, then why did Paul curse Jesus and His true disciples for teaching a different gospel than what Paul taught?

By the way, the reason SDAs don't keep the Feast days of the Torah is because the feast days died the death of Israel as Jesus prophesied in Matt. 21:43.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#1268 Feb 5, 2013
A RR quote

"Was the gospel that Jesus taught and then told His disciples to teach to the gentiles, the same gospel as Paul taught? If so, then why did Paul curse Jesus and His true disciples for teaching a different gospel than what Paul taught?"

Paul did not , just your interpretation

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#1269 Feb 6, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
<quoted text>The question was prove without Paul that we no longer are expected by God to keep the Feasts.
Paul didn't say anything agaianst the Feasts. In fact, Col. 2:16-17 wouldn't make sense if the believers at that time were NOT keeping the Feasts.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#1270 Feb 6, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Was the gospel that Jesus taught and then told His disciples to teach to the gentiles, the same gospel as Paul taught? If so, then why did Paul curse Jesus and His true disciples for teaching a different gospel than what Paul taught?
By the way, the reason SDAs don't keep the Feast days of the Torah is because the feast days died the death of Israel as Jesus prophesied in Matt. 21:43.
1) Paul did NOT curese jezsus.
2) Matthew said nothing about the Feasts. It appears that the Feasts continued after Jesus died for our sins (see Col. 2:16-17).

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1271 Feb 6, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
<quoted text>Of course you'd say this considering that you are either blind to the prophecies of Zechariah or you believe they no longer apply.

They no longer apply is the easy answer for those who don't really understand prophecy.

Zech 14 describes the seven last plagues, which occurr on the Day of the Lord.

Zec 14:1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

While most SDA believe this is talking about the end of the millenium, we'll see later that it is most definately talking about the start of the millenium.

Zec 14:3 ¶ Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,

This is talking about Jesus' return.

Zec 14:12 ¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

This is a description of the seven last plagues.

Now we get to after the last plagues are poured out.

Zec 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass,[that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Notice, it doesn't say the righteous will go up, it says those who are left of all the nations that went up against Jerusalem.

There will indeed be people that survive the seven last plagues.

I don't care if your theories on prophecy don't allow for this. This is what the bible plainly says.

All that are left from all the nations that came against Jerusalem so go up year by year to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

And here I thought you guys said the Feasts were only for Israel. Here we have Egypt keeping the Feast of Tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Punishment? This proves it's not talking about the saved in heaven. It's talking about physical people alive after Jesus' return keeping the Feast of Tabernacles or being punished if they don't.

I know this doesn't fit most of your theories of prophecy but that just means your theories are wrong.

The 1000 year desolate earth theory is a lie.

Just read all of Zechariah 14 then read Is. 66.

This is the same time period that Is 66 is talking about when all flesh will keep the Sabbath.

The saved will no longer be flesh. We will be spirit like Jesus.

These prophecies prove that during the millenium there will be humans alive on the earth who will keep the Sabbath and the Feast days.

Deny it all you want.
Great post!

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1272 Feb 6, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
<quoted text>Of course you'd say this considering that you are either blind to the prophecies of Zechariah or you believe they no longer apply.

They no longer apply is the easy answer for those who don't really understand prophecy.

Zech 14 describes the seven last plagues, which occurr on the Day of the Lord.

Zec 14:1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

While most SDA believe this is talking about the end of the millenium, we'll see later that it is most definately talking about the start of the millenium.

Zec 14:3 ¶ Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,

This is talking about Jesus' return.

Zec 14:12 ¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

This is a description of the seven last plagues.

Now we get to after the last plagues are poured out.

Zec 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass,[that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Notice, it doesn't say the righteous will go up, it says those who are left of all the nations that went up against Jerusalem.

There will indeed be people that survive the seven last plagues.

I don't care if your theories on prophecy don't allow for this. This is what the bible plainly says.

All that are left from all the nations that came against Jerusalem so go up year by year to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

And here I thought you guys said the Feasts were only for Israel. Here we have Egypt keeping the Feast of Tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Punishment? This proves it's not talking about the saved in heaven. It's talking about physical people alive after Jesus' return keeping the Feast of Tabernacles or being punished if they don't.

I know this doesn't fit most of your theories of prophecy but that just means your theories are wrong.

The 1000 year desolate earth theory is a lie.

Just read all of Zechariah 14 then read Is. 66.

This is the same time period that Is 66 is talking about when all flesh will keep the Sabbath.

The saved will no longer be flesh. We will be spirit like Jesus.

These prophecies prove that during the millenium there will be humans alive on the earth who will keep the Sabbath and the Feast days.

Deny it all you want.
How do we know you are right?

Because your conclusions are the same as mine.

Everything you said had been concluded to be true about Zechariah' prophecies under unbiased studies.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#1273 Feb 6, 2013
SDAfeastkeeper wrote:
Sorry to get involved but Kevin has a good point! They have a better chance if you leave them alone. But that's not Biblical, we are told to go to the ends of the earth and spread the gospel(be missionaries), which is the good news that we don't have to be lost, we have a Saviour. There is no reason to preach the gospel without expecting the LORD to fulfill his word, " the word will not return void but will accomplish the purpose that it is sent...salvation...conversion. We are told not only to go, but to make disciples....more missionaries. There is aslo punishment for not telling others Eze. 33
Exactly SDAFeast keeper, this is why I asked the question.

If God will save them anyway, even without hearing the gospel, as Rock claimed, then why preach the gospel?

I'm not saying don't preach the gospel. I'm just saying that the reasoning behind, God will save them anyway, makes no sense.

The Feast days show us how God will save all of mankind. Especially the Feast of Tabernacles.

The Feasts reveal two seperate harvests. The first in the spring, called the firstfruits. The second in the fall called ingathering.

This means there will be at least two harvests of mankind. One at the beginning of the millenium and one at the end. At least that's the way I see it.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#1274 Feb 6, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post!
Thank you martin, will you be going to Bath, OH for Passover and U.B.? Tell Bill Watson I said hi if you are.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#1275 Feb 6, 2013
birdman wrote:
A RR quote
"Was the gospel that Jesus taught and then told His disciples to teach to the gentiles, the same gospel as Paul taught? If so, then why did Paul curse Jesus and His true disciples for teaching a different gospel than what Paul taught?"
Paul did not , just your interpretation
WHAT? Can't you read Gal. 1:8-9? Duh!! Look idiot-read the plan english words Paul wrote for youself! If you can prove that the gospel Jesus taught was the same as what Paul taught --then do it!! I dare you! Read Gal. 1:6 for Pete's sake!

Paul was NOT talking about the Jews or the Gentiles, he was talking about the gospel Jesus taught and now the disciples of Jesus were teaching others the same thing.

Paul even condemned Peter as we see in Gal.2:11. But the whole thing (meeting) blew up in Paul's face because ALL of those Paul was writing to, EVEN Barnabas (and Mark) left Paul and his invented gospel to join Peter, John, Matthew and the true disciples' gospel called "The Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven".

Paul showed by his words of hate how he felt towards Jesus and His disciples!
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#1276 Feb 6, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post!
Marty, You are SOOOOOO wrong it is not even silly! Zechariah 14 mentions NOTHING about the 7 last plagues. Read both and compare yourself people! The prophesies of Zechariah were ALL conditional for the 'second chance Israel' to fulfill all of the conditions as found in Dan. 9:24. Guess what?? They didn't and so ALL of the conditional prophesies such as the ones found in Zechariah are sealed up--meaning they will NEVER happen!

This is what Matt. 21:43 is all about! This is why SDAs do NOT keep any of the Feasts--as they were ordanices which died when Israel died as God's kingdom.

I believe this is THE ONE big foundational issue that IS the difference between those on the Narrow Way verses the many, many on the wide road to destruction.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#1277 Feb 6, 2013
Gerhard Ebersoehn wrote:
<quoted text>
"_WE_ are told to go to the ends of the earth and spread the gospel(be missionaries)"?! "_WE_"?! "_WE_" se alie man!
Which gospel? The one Jesus taught or the one Paul taught?
SamBee

Orlando, FL

#1278 Feb 6, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
<quoted text>
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New in Greek.
While a lot of people believe the New was written in Hebrew there is absolutely no proof of this.
It is pure conjecture, since we don't have any original copies of any of the bible.
Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each translated as he was able.(Papias, 150-170 CE, quoted by Eusebius, Eccl. Hist. 3:39)

Matthew also issued a written gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect.(Ireneus, 170 CE, Against Heresies 3:1)

The first is written according to Matthew, the same that was once a tax collector, but afterwards an emissary of Yahusha the Messiah, who having published it for the Jewish believers, wrote it in Hebrew.(Origen circa 210 CE, quoted by Eusebius, Eccl. Hist. 6:25)

The epistle to the Hebrews he asserts was written by Paul, to the Hebrews, in the Hebrew tongue; but that it was carefully translated by Luke, and published among the Greeks.(Clement of Alexandria, Hypotyposes, referred to by Eusebius in Eccl. Hist.6:14:2)

He (Shaul) being a Hebrew wrote in Hebrew, that is, his own tongue and most fluently; while things which were eloquently written in Hebrew were more eloquently turned into Greek.(Jerome, 382 CE,'Lives of Illustrious Men,' Book V)
Anonymous

Johannesburg, South Africa

#1279 Feb 6, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Marty, You are SOOOOOO wrong it is not even silly! Zechariah 14 mentions NOTHING about the 7 last plagues. Read both and compare yourself people! The prophesies of Zechariah were ALL conditional for the 'second chance Israel' to fulfill all of the conditions as found in Dan. 9:24. Guess what?? They didn't and so ALL of the conditional prophesies such as the ones found in Zechariah are sealed up--meaning they will NEVER happen!
This is what Matt. 21:43 is all about! This is why SDAs do NOT keep any of the Feasts--as they were ordanices which died when Israel died as God's kingdom.
I believe this is THE ONE big foundational issue that IS the difference between those on the Narrow Way verses the many, many on the wide road to destruction.
Now it’s my turn to almost agree with you.

I differ with you herein that “all prophecy” and “all the prophets”—as Jesus said—are IN FACT fulfilled in HIM. Problem is we will, not even try to find Christ—and HIS Kingdom—in those prophecies we do not understand and therefore summarily declare were ‘conditional prophecies’.

And by the way, The Kingdom of Heaven has more than one name. Jesus spoke of “the Kingdom of my Father”. Few understand or ever tried to understand WHERE AND WHEN THAT KINGDOM WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF ITS POWER!
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#1280 Feb 6, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> WHAT? Can't you read Gal. 1:8-9? Duh!! Look idiot-read !
Hmmm, calling bird an idiot. I thought I was the forum jerk? I thought this forum was all nicey nice before I came along with my venom.

Rock, you are the one that can't read. While Paul mentions another gospel in Gal. 1 nowhere does it say that other gospel was Jesus' gospel.

You are unable to comprehend because of your anti-Pauline lies.
Anonymous

Johannesburg, South Africa

#1281 Feb 6, 2013
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>Paul didn't say anything agaianst the Feasts. In fact, Col. 2:16-17 wouldn't make sense if the believers at that time were NOT keeping the Feasts.
The stupidest posts on TopixSDA and elsewhere are those of DJC. Their intelligence content are equivalent to that of their author.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#1282 Feb 6, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Marty, You are SOOOOOO wrong it is not even silly! Zechariah 14 mentions NOTHING about the 7 last plagues. Read both and compare yourself people! The prophesies of Zechariah were ALL conditional for the 'second chance Israel' to fulfill all of the conditions as found in Dan. 9:24. Guess what?? They didn't and so ALL of the conditional prophesies such as the ones found in Zechariah are sealed up--meaning they will NEVER happen!
This is what Matt. 21:43 is all about! This is why SDAs do NOT keep any of the Feasts--as they were ordanices which died when Israel died as God's kingdom.
I believe this is THE ONE big foundational issue that IS the difference between those on the Narrow Way verses the many, many on the wide road to destruction.
Once again your theories about Israel and their never being reconciled to God.

You have no proof of your lies.

You've never heard of the times of the gentiles? Oh, right, that's Luke, you've torn Luke out of your bible.

The fact is the kingdom was only taken from Israel for a little while, till the times of the gentiles is fulfilled.

But alas Rock won't agree to this because it is Luke and Pauline theology.

The thing is, the rest of the bible fits perfectly with this theology.

If one believes this then they don't have to say, well the prophecies about Israel's future blessings from God no longer apply.

That's just how Rock makes his theological theories work. If the bible doesn't fit in with his theories, just say it was a lie, it was a tare. It was only conditional.

It makes for a convoluted theology, but when you can rip and tear parts of the bible out, you can make it say anything you want. Or should I say anything Rock wants?

The trick is, making the whole bible make sense. Including Zechariah, Isaiah and Ezekiel.

And the only way to make it all make sense is to keep the Feasts and understand that God is not saving the whole world today. He's only calling the firstfruits, the church.

The rest of the dead will be given their opportunity to understand the truth at the end of the millenium.

This is why the Feasts are harvest related.

We are the true harvest.

In Israel there was a spring harvest and a fall harvest. Just like there is a beginning of the millenium harvest and an end of the millenium harvest.

The thing is, if you don't keep the feasts you'll never ever understand this truth.

That is why the SDA church really doesn't understand biblical prophecy even though they think they do.

The truth is out there but it's not within the SDA church, sorry folks. There is some truth in the SDA church, but shouldn't we be seekers of all truth?
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#1283 Feb 6, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm, calling bird an idiot. I thought I was the forum jerk? I thought this forum was all nicey nice before I came along with my venom.
Rock, you are the one that can't read. While Paul mentions another gospel in Gal. 1 nowhere does it say that other gospel was Jesus' gospel.
You are unable to comprehend because of your anti-Pauline lies.
WHAT? Please identify "the churches of Galatia" in Gal. 1:2?

Please identify the "you" and "him" in Gal. 1:6?

Please identify the "Him" in Gal. 1:8?

Please identify the "man" in Gal. 1:9?

Please identify the "man" in Gal. 1:11-12?

Please identify the "different gospel" in Gal. 1:6?

Please identify the "apostles" in Gal. 1:17?

Please identify who the "false brethren who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty" (Gal. 2:4)?

Please identify "those who were of high reputation" (Gal. 2:6)?

Please identify the "reputed to be pillars" (Gal. 2:9)?

Please identify "they" in Gal. 2:10?

Please identify the 'rest' and 'him' in "And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy" (Gal. 2:13)?

Please identify "they" in Gal. 2:14?

Please identify "Cephas" in Gal. 2:9,11&14 and tell me why Paul used this name instead of "Peter"?

Please identify "You foolish Galatians" in Gal. 3:1?

Please identify "Brethren" in Gal. 3:15 and 4:12?(Strongs 80 Adelphos=meaning members of the same Church community.)

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