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Document 11Q13 Dead Sea Scrolls vindicates1844

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Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#1 May 12, 2012
The first portion of the 2300 Evenings and Mornings are the 70 weeks which deal with the perfect sacrifice. The next portion the 1,810 years left leading up to 1844 present the perfect High Priestly ministry. This chronology forms the theological architecture for the Everlasting Gospel which provides the basis for the anti-typical fulfillment of the Final Atonement. Since Jesus has fulfilled the other yearly Sabbaths such as Passover, Unleavened bread, Pentecost, Trumpets, he will fulfill the Final Atonement as well. Notice that the Messianic Jews still claim that this feast has to be fulfilled as well as two others but they have no theological architecture that reveals how this final fulfillment will take place. Protestants erroneously teach that the FA took place on the cross and that eternal redemption such as that of the priesthood was accomplished on Calvary prior to his entrance into the Holy Places in the heavens. It is clearly the historic SDA position which aligns with what is stated in Document 11Q13, that Melchizedek proclaims the Day of Atonement. It would have to be Revelation 14:6,7 as the anti-typical fulfillment of Leviticus 16. This cannot be denied on account of the fact that all the feasts of ancient Israel have anti-typical fulfillments.

Conclusion 1

This presents a major blow to Evangelical theology and those who oppose the historic SDA position cannot explain just how the FA will take place.

Conclusion 2

To go even further ALF has accurately pinpointed all the Agendas of the Day of A and have identified them as 5 specific Agendas.

1) Individual forgiveness
2) Corporate forgiveness
3) Day of Atonement
4) Corporate cleansing
5) Individual cleansing

Conclusion 3

ALF has correctly identified the agenda of the Holy Place as being that of corporate forgiveness see Leviticus 4:13 and 18 and that of the Altar in the Court as individual forgiveness see Leviticus 4: 22-35.

Conclusion 4

On the Day of A, there was then a movement of Cleansing, from the Law= MHP to the corporate = Tabernacle = Exodus 30:10 and then to the individual the Altar in the Court see Leviticus 16:20 the Altar = Altar in the Court = Ezekiel 9 = FA.

Conclusion 5

The ALF research in this area is complete and superior to that of the mainline and can stop any theological attack from the Evangelicals on account of the fact that ALF follows the dictum of Hebrews 8:5 Copy and shadow which is the only way that that Final Feast can be fulfilled prior to Christ second coming as well as the fulfillment of Hebrews 9:26 from the context of Hebrews 9:23,24 and 25.

This theological explanation clearly brings the ALF historic and progressive Sanctuary theology into line with Dead Sea Scroll document 11Q13.

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#2 May 13, 2012
Where is your link to the Dead Sea Scroll document 11Q13?
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#3 May 13, 2012
anti-ALF chick wrote:
Where is your link to the Dead Sea Scroll document 11Q13?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#4 May 13, 2012
Anyone care to discuss the issue?
A Voice In The Wilderness

Bensalem, PA

#5 May 13, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
Anyone care to discuss the issue?
1. Please briefly explain your position/view on when and how the anti-typical feast of trumpets has been fulfilled.

2. Can you provide an in-depth exegesis of ALF's understanding of Conclusion 2, or at least a link to it?
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#6 May 13, 2012
It has to be the info in Revelation 10 the Angel coming down with the rainbow which is a sign of the Covenant = 10 commandments. This symbolism takes us back to Sinai which announced by trumpet blasts the giving of the 10 commandments. Revelation 14:6,7 also links the Anti-typical Day of A with Creation. Trumpets is also related to Creation and Sabbath

http://www.abcog.org/trumpts.htm

Non SDA source relates it to the birthday of the world

http://heartofwisdom.com/homeschool/...

If it relates to the creation of our planet then it is definitely tied into the 1st Angels message. Worship him that created the heavens and the earth.
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#7 May 13, 2012
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Please briefly explain your position/view on when and how the anti-typical feast of trumpets has been fulfilled.
2. Can you provide an in-depth exegesis of ALF's understanding of Conclusion 2, or at least a link to it?
All I will say for the present time is to study Leviticus 4:13, 18 and corporate repentance registered on the horns of the Altar of Incense within the Holy place. We will then go from that point onward.

Also study Leviticus 4:22-35 individual blood never entered the Holy Place. It was registered on the horns of the Altar in the Court.

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#8 May 13, 2012
anti-ALF chick wrote:
Where is your link to the Dead Sea Scroll document 11Q13?
The fraud in the title of this thread reminds me of the complaints I remember from a middle-school friend ages ago. He had bought a superman comic book that had the picture of an aged, wrinkly-old superman on the front cover (which he expected should answer the question what would happen when superman got super old) but the story inside had absolutely nothing to do with the intriguing yet deceptive picture on the front cover.
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#10 May 13, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>The fraud in the title of this thread reminds me of the complaints I remember from a middle-school friend ages ago. He had bought a superman comic book that had the picture of an aged, wrinkly-old superman on the front cover (which he expected should answer the question what would happen when superman got super old) but the story inside had absolutely nothing to do with the intriguing yet deceptive picture on the front cover.
Well! what can we expect from your one Atonement falsehood? Document 11Q13 doesn't agree with your falsehood that is why you don't like this thread.
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#11 May 13, 2012
There is no falsehood on my part, it clearly states that he Melchizedek proclaims the Day of Atonement. So who is Melchizedek? The document also presents Melchizedek as being a member of the Elohim. That statement of the proclamation of the Final Atonement is not popular with the one Atonement false-prophets. There can only be one anti-typical Day of A, see Rev 14:6,7.

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#12 May 13, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
Well! what can we expect from your one Atonement falsehood?
You're lying again. I don't accept the one atonement theory.

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#13 May 13, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
Document 11Q13 doesn't agree with your falsehood that is why you don't like this thread.
Yet another lie. How many lies do you think will get you to heaven?

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#14 May 13, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
There is no falsehood on my part, it clearly states that he Melchizedek proclaims the Day of Atonement.
Tell us liar, what in 11Q13 points to 1844 and not a day of atonement at the Messiah's first advent?
everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists/...
psalm 45

Australia

#15 May 14, 2012
Everything that the Biblical prophets inspired by the Spirit of God and Christ , including Ellen White predicted will come to pass, Christ cannot atone for a hardened heart. We all must be born again to see the kingdom of God and self must die daily.
I praise God for His wondeful revelations of truth and may His Holy name be glorified for ever.
God bless you for your efforts.
Lay Worker

Jerilderie, Australia

#16 May 14, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>The fraud in the title of this thread reminds me of the complaints I remember from a middle-school friend ages ago. He had bought a superman comic book that had the picture of an aged, wrinkly-old superman on the front cover (which he expected should answer the question what would happen when superman got super old) but the story inside had absolutely nothing to do with the intriguing yet deceptive picture on the front cover.
The Shube ceased Bible study a long time ago and remains a 50% Trinitarian [who knows why]

The Shube cannot appreciate what the Melchizedechian find means in reality from the dictum given in Heb 8.

Astonishing
Lay Worker

Jerilderie, Australia

#17 May 14, 2012
psalm 45 wrote:
Everything that the Biblical prophets inspired by the Spirit of God and Christ , including Ellen White predicted will come to pass, Christ cannot atone for a hardened heart. We all must be born again to see the kingdom of God and self must die daily.
I praise God for His wondeful revelations of truth and may His Holy name be glorified for ever.
God bless you for your efforts.
Nothing to do with the thread TONY

Had self died there would be much elevation of Jesus and His ministration as High Priest.

Lay Worker

Jerilderie, Australia

#18 May 14, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
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All I will say for the present time is to study Leviticus 4:13, 18 and corporate repentance registered on the horns of the Altar of Incense within the Holy place. We will then go from that point onward.
Also study Leviticus 4:22-35 individual blood never entered the Holy Place. It was registered on the horns of the Altar in the Court.
Excellent and timely counsel - but of course the Evangelicals think they know better than the types given by God Himself. Had the SDA Evangelicals studied the textual evidence [Leviticus 4 & 16] they would be less enthusiastic in denying the Scriptures and noting carefully what God has been saying all along per the dictum. But of course they have a mile of excuses about corporate repentance

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#19 May 14, 2012
Earthcaller,

I must confess, it is good and refreshing to see you spending more time and energy putting effort into establishing and reaffirming 1844. I've been pretty concerned lately about the fact that you feel the need to change our other dates (508, 538, 1798, etc.). So I think you're on the right path. Better to leave well enough alone and focus on the weightier matters. ;)

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#20 May 14, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us liar, what in 11Q13 points to 1844 and not a day of atonement at the Messiah's first advent?
everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists/...
You are obsessed with that " everythingimportant.org " website. In fact, that is the only website I have EVER seen you link to on these forums. That reveals to me imbalance on your part brother.

The day you start linking us to other websites (not affiliated with the people from that website), that will be the day you may start convincing me that you are striving to be a bit more balanced.

To be honest, I haven't found the data on that website very helpful. It is very confusing, and this goes against the SOP counsels that we are to present truths in simple and clear lines so that people can understand.

The moment it is long and confusing, it is usually a sign that it is error.

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#21 May 14, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
<quoted text>
You are obsessed with that " everythingimportant.org " website. In fact, that is the only website I have EVER seen you link to on these forums. That reveals to me imbalance on your part brother.
The day you start linking us to other websites (not affiliated with the people from that website), that will be the day you may start convincing me that you are striving to be a bit more balanced.
To be honest, I haven't found the data on that website very helpful. It is very confusing, and this goes against the SOP counsels that we are to present truths in simple and clear lines so that people can understand.
The moment it is long and confusing, it is usually a sign that it is error.
It is Shubees own website that is why he posts it all the time.

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