CHRISTIANS' most DIFFICULT QUESTIONS.

CHRISTIANS' most DIFFICULT QUESTIONS.

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Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#1 Nov 29, 2012
I did not know how to answer when a person asked me: WHY did God, if He is ALL-KNOWING, ever allow sin?

God either created sin Himself, and that would make NO SENSE, OR, sin slipped into heaven from an OUTSIDE source..and God could not prevent it?

The idea seems to be that God is then accountable to a higher POWER than Himself! Did God not KNOW what would happen when sin moved down to earth?

Why, in the first place, have good AND EVIL? And Lucifer and Adam were such weak proto-types that they indeed chose WRONG!

Is it OK, when we do not know what to say, to simply say "it is a mystery"! Not very convincing copout!
A Voice In The Wilderness

Langhorne, PA

#2 Nov 29, 2012
Chapter 29 of the Great Controversy, read it.

The question you present is one of the simplest questions that all Seventh-day Adventists should have no trouble answering with perfect clarity.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#3 Nov 29, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
I did not know how to answer when a person asked me: WHY did God, if He is ALL-KNOWING, ever allow sin?
God either created sin Himself, and that would make NO SENSE, OR, sin slipped into heaven from an OUTSIDE source..and God could not prevent it?
The idea seems to be that God is then accountable to a higher POWER than Himself! Did God not KNOW what would happen when sin moved down to earth?
Why, in the first place, have good AND EVIL? And Lucifer and Adam were such weak proto-types that they indeed chose WRONG!
Is it OK, when we do not know what to say, to simply say "it is a mystery"! Not very convincing copout!
Did you try to google this question? I am surprised that people here don't know how to answer it. But the true answer is: CHOICE! God does not want anyone--angel or human--to be a robut, but to have the power within them to choose right from wrong. Those who have made their own choice, as did Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels, have made up their own minds (yes, they do have them) to become evil and so has the majority of people living on this earth! They have chosen to be destroyed forever, just a someone breaking into my house has chosen to commit suicide IF any lives are threatened.
DANNO

London, UK

#4 Nov 30, 2012
Hi Debbie

It's the same reason GOD allowed SATAN to ENTER the GARDEN of Eden [he could have stopped satan entering] and Allowed satan to enter Job's life and destroy his business and children.

It's also same reason GOD ALLOWED SATAN to plant his "WEEDS" in the BIBLE . read Matt 13: 24-26

He is allowing people to make a choice to EITHER FOLLOW and ACCEPT HIS TRUTH or SATAN'S WORDS??
read Matt 22: 14

Blessings

DAN
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#5 Nov 30, 2012
So, according to Ellen White, God created or allowed SIN in order to entice innocent humans to CHOOSE? Why a choice between good and evil? WHY ever introduce them to evil in order to provide "a choice"? To prove WHAT to WHOM?
And then BOTH angels and men were so IMPERFECT that both groups made the "choice" FOR SATAN! Why would God shoot Himself in the foot?
Could it be that the theory of sin coming into heaven from some OUTSIDE source may hold some water? And that God paid some kind of penalty for allowing this accident to happen? Culminating in sacrificing His very own son!
Think for a minute: WHY would God, knowing BEFOREHAND what the result of sin would be, still go ahead and allow man to be introduced to sin? And then impose such a harsh self-punishment on Himself by having His son put to death. THINK!
Does it make sense? NOT to intellectuals asking these questions! So, just to use the "choice" argument will not cut it. Any better idea?
Rockroller

AOL

#6 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
So, according to Ellen White, God created or allowed SIN in order to entice innocent humans to CHOOSE? Why a choice between good and evil? WHY ever introduce them to evil in order to provide "a choice"? To prove WHAT to WHOM?
And then BOTH angels and men were so IMPERFECT that both groups made the "choice" FOR SATAN! Why would God shoot Himself in the foot?
Could it be that the theory of sin coming into heaven from some OUTSIDE source may hold some water? And that God paid some kind of penalty for allowing this accident to happen? Culminating in sacrificing His very own son!
Think for a minute: WHY would God, knowing BEFOREHAND what the result of sin would be, still go ahead and allow man to be introduced to sin? And then impose such a harsh self-punishment on Himself by having His son put to death. THINK!
Does it make sense? NOT to intellectuals asking these questions! So, just to use the "choice" argument will not cut it. Any better idea?
Oh I do lots of thinking my friend! And my lips form a smile each time when I see how much God HAS done for us in order for us to choose right over wrong! Did you know that those who choose to follow God by keeping all of the conditions for being in the kingdom of Heaven (keeping the ten commandments and abiding in the words of Jesus) will STILL have a choice when they do enter heaven and then come back to a new world? It's this wonderful GIFT from God to be able to make a real choice that shows His real LOVE to me.

So don't blame God for the problems of the words or for your sorrow today. All of those things were the results of sin, not the penalty for sin.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#7 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
So, according to Ellen White, God created or allowed SIN in order to entice innocent humans to CHOOSE? Why a choice between good and evil? WHY ever introduce them to evil in order to provide "a choice"? To prove WHAT to WHOM?
And then BOTH angels and men were so IMPERFECT that both groups made the "choice" FOR SATAN! Why would God shoot Himself in the foot?
Could it be that the theory of sin coming into heaven from some OUTSIDE source may hold some water? And that God paid some kind of penalty for allowing this accident to happen? Culminating in sacrificing His very own son!
Think for a minute: WHY would God, knowing BEFOREHAND what the result of sin would be, still go ahead and allow man to be introduced to sin? And then impose such a harsh self-punishment on Himself by having His son put to death. THINK!
Does it make sense? NOT to intellectuals asking these questions! So, just to use the "choice" argument will not cut it. Any better idea?
Why did you even bring Ellen White into this conversation? God is the one who made choice, re...free will a priority for mankind.
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#8 Nov 30, 2012
The point is simply this: WHY did God allow sin to be the way to TEST loyalty of angels and man, and then had to deal with the fact that angels and man indeed chose SATAN over Himself! Why not just NOT introduce sin into the world? Why offer a CHOICE? To prove what to WHOM? Read post 5 again, slowly. And I AM under the blood of the cross of Calvary and believe in John 5:24 I am trying to figure out HOW to explain difficult questions to fellow physicians et al.
DANNO

London, UK

#9 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
The point is simply this: WHY did God allow sin to be the way to TEST loyalty of angels and man, and then had to deal with the fact that angels and man indeed chose SATAN over Himself! Why not just NOT introduce sin into the world? Why offer a CHOICE? To prove what to WHOM? Read post 5 again, slowly. And I AM under the blood of the cross of Calvary and believe in John 5:24 I am trying to figure out HOW to explain difficult questions to fellow physicians et al.
Debie

I have REJECTED E G White in yr 2000.

What is SIN? What does SIN mean? God did NOT create SIN!

God created a LAW/RULES. What does the LAW/RULES mean to you?

If you had 2 kids of the age of 10 & 12 and had a CHOICE of 2 schools for your kids. One school had a set of RULES and the other had NO RULES at all for the kids.

Which school would you send your kids to?[assuming you loved both kids EQUALY]

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#10 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
So, according to Ellen White, God created or allowed SIN in order to entice innocent humans to CHOOSE? Why a choice between good and evil? WHY ever introduce them to evil in order to provide "a choice"? To prove WHAT to WHOM?
And then BOTH angels and men were so IMPERFECT that both groups made the "choice" FOR SATAN! Why would God shoot Himself in the foot?
Could it be that the theory of sin coming into heaven from some OUTSIDE source may hold some water? And that God paid some kind of penalty for allowing this accident to happen? Culminating in sacrificing His very own son!
Think for a minute: WHY would God, knowing BEFOREHAND what the result of sin would be, still go ahead and allow man to be introduced to sin? And then impose such a harsh self-punishment on Himself by having His son put to death. THINK!
Does it make sense? NOT to intellectuals asking these questions! So, just to use the "choice" argument will not cut it. Any better idea?
God knew that BOTH ADAM & EVE would breack his command. God allowed them to choose to obey or dissobey him. He also wanted to prove to them that they would be disloyal to him and loyal to satan.
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#11 Nov 30, 2012
WHY did God do this to Himself? WHY was it necessary to introduce A&E to evil in the first place? God is responsible for ALL of His creation. Right? Why not let LOVE be the only way of life for all? WHY the need for "choice"? Why expose A&E and the angels to EVIL in the first place. Adam did'nt say he wanted an alternative Satan-god!
WHO got a kick out of the WRONG decision A & E made when they opted for Satan? Why gamble, knowing beforehand you're going to looooose! What say you about sin coming in from OUTER SPACE? or did God create it as part of a game?
DANNO

London, UK

#12 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
WHY did God do this to Himself? WHY was it necessary to introduce A&E to evil in the first place? God is responsible for ALL of His creation. Right? Why not let LOVE be the only way of life for all? WHY the need for "choice"? Why expose A&E and the angels to EVIL in the first place. Adam did'nt say he wanted an alternative Satan-god!
WHO got a kick out of the WRONG decision A & E made when they opted for Satan? Why gamble, knowing beforehand you're going to looooose! What say you about sin coming in from OUTER SPACE? or did God create it as part of a game?
Debie

Can you answer the questions in post 9 plz?

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#13 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
WHY did God do this to Himself? WHY was it necessary to introduce A&E to evil in the first place? God is responsible for ALL of His creation. Right? Why not let LOVE be the only way of life for all? WHY the need for "choice"? Why expose A&E and the angels to EVIL in the first place. Adam did'nt say he wanted an alternative Satan-god!
WHO got a kick out of the WRONG decision A & E made when they opted for Satan? Why gamble, knowing beforehand you're going to looooose! What say you about sin coming in from OUTER SPACE? or did God create it as part of a game?
Debie

Can you answer the questions in post 9 before I answer yours in post 11 plz?

Thanx

Dan
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#14 Nov 30, 2012
Sure. If both schools were only teaching goodness and love and NO SIN WAS present in either school, then you can flip a coin. Only bad behaviour calls for rules.Perfect creatures cannot err!
Why do we NEED EVIL? to help us love God Who made us?
God does not have to TEST me, WHY? I have no desire for sin or evil, WHY tempt me with it?
What was the NEED for sin? Does it make sense that God created or allowed the very thing He HATES most?
The answer is simply that we are dealing with a category question, no one has the answer for. Like Where does God COME FROM. All we know is that we live in a sinful world as sinners doomed to death. HOWEVER, a lifeline is offered to us. If I am in trouble and someone offes help, I TAKE IT WITHOUT QUESTIONS. Eph 2:8 now applies. Be good. Deb
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#15 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
Sure. If both schools were only teaching goodness and love and NO SIN WAS present in either school, then you can flip a coin. Only bad behaviour calls for rules.Perfect creatures cannot err!
Why do we NEED EVIL? to help us love God Who made us?
God does not have to TEST me, WHY? I have no desire for sin or evil, WHY tempt me with it?
What was the NEED for sin? Does it make sense that God created or allowed the very thing He HATES most?
The answer is simply that we are dealing with a category question, no one has the answer for. Like Where does God COME FROM. All we know is that we live in a sinful world as sinners doomed to death. HOWEVER, a lifeline is offered to us. If I am in trouble and someone offes help, I TAKE IT WITHOUT QUESTIONS. Eph 2:8 now applies. Be good. Deb
WRONG, God MUST test everyone to see IF you actually love Him or not.

Are you one who lives with a boyfriend without any need of a marriage agreement/covenant? I mean YOU SAY you love each other, BUT what is the real PROOF? God wants proof, not lip service! John 14:15 and 21 is PROOF that one MUST make a choice to love God and THEN MUST show their choice to God by keeping all of the commandments and abiding in the words of Jesus. Yes, this is the TEST. God allowed Satan's words to be in the same place (field) as the words of Jesus in order to TEST those who simply say they love God. Just because you say something does not prove it to be true. Either prove it by keeping all of the commandments and obeying the words of Jesus, or not. It's just that simple!
Robert Two

Kent Town, Australia

#16 Nov 30, 2012
I think the question is straange.
As GOD knowing the end from the begining knew what to do to be fair to all person for ETERNITY
Everyone had a choice of what they wanted & to remain PURE one has to have PERFECT reasons.
That is how simple the answer is.
DANNO

London, UK

#17 Nov 30, 2012
Debbie Reid wrote:
Sure. If both schools were only teaching goodness and love and NO SIN WAS present in either school, then you can flip a coin. Only bad behaviour calls for rules.Perfect creatures cannot err!
Why do we NEED EVIL? to help us love God Who made us?
God does not have to TEST me, WHY? I have no desire for sin or evil, WHY tempt me with it?
What was the NEED for sin? Does it make sense that God created or allowed the very thing He HATES most?
The answer is simply that we are dealing with a category question, no one has the answer for. Like Where does God COME FROM. All we know is that we live in a sinful world as sinners doomed to death. HOWEVER, a lifeline is offered to us. If I am in trouble and someone offes help, I TAKE IT WITHOUT QUESTIONS. Eph 2:8 now applies. Be good. Deb
Debie.

Thanx for your comments.

If GOD allowed you to be GOD for just the first 6 days of creation how would you create Adam & Eve? Would you make them as robots & fully programmed to do ONLY your WILL & without having any feelings and without freedom of choice?

Dan
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#18 Nov 30, 2012
Why would God create a being with inherent doubt about his/her creator? Why WOULD they doubt God if they were made perfect? Why would God TEST His own creatures? To prove what to whom? Who told God He "MUST" test people?
I have children and never ever did they doubt my love for them and I never required of them to "prove" themselves to me.
Because we ARE saved by the CROSS, it is natural to ask: "Lord, how can we express our love FOR YOU?" And Jesus gives the answer in John 14:15...not a REQUIREMENT, but a love-RESPONSE. Forget about the Investigative Judgment where they will figure out if YOUR works were good enough, and rejoice in the promise of Is 43:25 and 44:22 And you say?(It's OK to agree)
DANNO

London, UK

#19 Nov 30, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
I think the question is straange.
As GOD knowing the end from the begining knew what to do to be fair to all person for ETERNITY
Everyone had a choice of what they wanted & to remain PURE one has to have PERFECT reasons.
That is how simple the answer is.
Robert2

I hope you are well? It's been a long time since you & I have spoken to each other.

Tell me this:> If GOD told Adam & Eve that satan will be coming into the GARDEN of EDEN to DECIEVE them, would they have DISOBEYED & SINNED against GOD and Believed & sided with satan and brought DEATH to themselves?? They knew what GOD meant when he said they will SURELY DIE!

Same question to DEBIE.

Can you answer truthfully plz?

Blessings

Dan
Robert Two

Kent Town, Australia

#20 Nov 30, 2012
DANNO wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert2
I hope you are well? It's been a long time since you & I have spoken to each other.
Tell me this:> If GOD told Adam & Eve that satan will be coming into the GARDEN of EDEN to DECIEVE them, would they have DISOBEYED & SINNED against GOD and Believed & sided with satan and brought DEATH to themselves?? They knew what GOD meant when he said they will SURELY DIE!
Same question to DEBIE.
Can you answer truthfully plz?
Blessings
Dan
You do not SEEM to be asking a question here for me to answer.
They knew the LAW thou shalt not eat the fruit of that tree.
And they did.

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