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#494 Feb 1, 2013
The 1888 message was light beyond that which the churches had already received:

"Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law but he is incapable of rendering it. The ONLY way to ATTAIN to RIGHTEOUSNESS is through FAITH. By faith the sinner can BRING to God the MERITS of Christ... and God receives, pardons and justifies the repentant, believing soul, treats him as though he were righteous and loves him as He loves His Son. This is how faith is accounted righteousness, and the pardoned soul goes on from grace to grace and from light to a greater light." Ellen, Review and Herald, Nov.4, 1890; F.W.101.

This precious truth was carried, not by the established leaders of the day, but by men of God's own choosing. Whereas Bates, Loughborough, and James White were the principal leaders in the proclamation of the third angel's message, Elen White and Waggoner and Jones were the voices in the fourth which added power to the third.

"The Lord in His great mercy sent a most precious message to His people through elders Waggoner and Jones... It invited the people to receive the righteousness of Christ which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God. Many had lost sight of Jesus and they needed to have their eyes directed to His divine Person, His MERITS, and His changeless love for the human family... This is the third angel's message, which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice and attended with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in large measure." Testimoies to Ministers, p.91,92; Faith and Works, p.65,66,93,97.

That this message was light in advance of that sounded by the third angel's movement is verified in the following statements from the pen of inspiration:

"When brother Waggoner brought out these ideas at Minneapolis, it was the first clear teaching on this subject-- Righteousness by faith--from any human lips I had heard, excepting the conversations between myself and my husband." MS 5, 1888.

It is evident that the Lord Himself regarded the message of Waggoner and Jones as something not preached clearly before. The message of 1888 was something which the brethren had not previously comprehended.

"In Minneapolis God gave precious gems of truth to His people in new settings." Counsels to Writers and Editors, p.30.

Not all those who stood for the message of the third angel were prepared to to on into the fourth message and movement.

"That light which was to fill the whole earth with its glory has been despised by some who claim to believe what is present truth. Be careful how you treat it. Take off the shoes from off your feet, for you are on holy ground." Testimonies to Ministers, pp.89,90.

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#495 Feb 1, 2013
We must today keep pace with the advancing light and be prepared to go on into the fourth angel's movement as the message is revived. The same pattern will be repeated except that this time, the work will be brought to its completion. It will "spread like fire in the stubble" and it will be "a complete success," for Christ's righteousness will accomplish everything. Ellen, 1 S.M.118,411; F.W.27.

"At Minneapolis, there was evidence and there was reasoning from the Word that commended itself to the conscience; but the minds of men were fixed, sealed against the entrance of light, because they had decided it was a dangerous error removing the old landmarks when it was not removing a peg of the old landmarks, but they had perverted ideas of what constituted the old landmarks." Ellen, Counsels to Writers and Editors, p.30.

The fourth angel's movement with its added light, resisted before, will most likely be resisted again. The following statement bears that out:

"If this attitude is preserved, then when the Lord shall again let His light shine upon the people, they will turn from the heavenly illumination." 1 S.M.143.

"The forms of religion will be continued by a people from whom the Spirit of God has been finally withdrawn; and the satanic zeal with which the prince of evil will inspire them for the accomplishment of his malignant designs, will bear the semblance of zeal for God." The Great Controversy, p.615.

The pattern will be repeated:

"Many a star that we have admired for its brillliancy will then go out in darkness. Chaff like a cloud will be borne away in the wind, even from places where we see only floors of wheat. All who assume the garments of the sanctuary but are not clothed with the robe of Christ's righteousness, will appear in the shame of their own nakedness." Testimonies, Vol.5, pp.81.

"Those who have trusted to intellect, genius, or talent will not then stand at the head of rank and file. They did not keep pace with the advancing light. In the last great work few great men will be engaged. They are self-sufficient, independent of God and He cannot use them. The Lord has faithful servants, who in the shaking, testing time will be disclosed to view." Testimonies, Vol.5, pp.80,81.

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#496 Feb 1, 2013
Psalm 62:9; Luke 16:15; 1 Cor.2:5.
Robert Two

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#497 Feb 1, 2013
skyblue888 wrote:
Psalm 62:9; Luke 16:15; 1 Cor.2:5.
FAITH here being the directives of GOD.
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#498 Feb 1, 2013
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
FAITH here being the directives of GOD.
Sky has no concomitant message for the laity in Advetnism insisiting the laity are to remain in the apostasy until Jesus comes and then when asked for Scripture - becomes incredibly silent.
Robert Two

Australia

#499 Feb 1, 2013
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Sky has no concomitant message for the laity in Advetnism insisiting the laity are to remain in the apostasy until Jesus comes and then when asked for Scripture - becomes incredibly silent.
WAIT a little longer.!
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#500 Feb 1, 2013
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
WAIT a little longer.!
R2 is saying to wait until Jesus comes as well.
Robert Two

Australia

#501 Feb 1, 2013
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
R2 is saying to wait until Jesus comes as well.
No way !
I think action is long overdue !
How can yoiu know what I THINK ?
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#502 Feb 1, 2013
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text> No way !
I think action is long overdue !
How can yoiu know what I THINK ?
Elementary

what you say and how you say it

then say what you mean than beating about the bush about action

Robert Two

Australia

#503 Feb 1, 2013
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Elementary
what you say and how you say it
then say what you mean than beating about the bush about action
Only GOD can read minds !

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#504 Feb 1, 2013
LW either you are willfully ignorant or you do not take the time to read what is posted or lack discernment for I made it clear more than once that probation for the church, according to the parable/prophecy of Matt.22, ends at the end of the rejection of the second call followed by the giving of the loud cry to the world represented by the third call of the parable.

If people like you were really what you claim to be, the loud cry should have been given to the world a long time ago and Jesus would have returned.

You claimed that probation for the church ended decades ago, then what are you doing here on this forum preaching to Adventists? Once probation for the church ends the bearers of the message immediately turn to the world but that is not what you have been doing or is it?

sky
Lay Worker

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#506 Feb 1, 2013
skyblue888 wrote:
LW either you are willfully ignorant or you do not take the time to read what is posted or lack discernment for I made it clear more than once that probation for the church, according to the parable/prophecy of Matt.22, ends at the end of the rejection of the second call followed by the giving of the loud cry to the world represented by the third call of the parable.
If people like you were really what you claim to be, the loud cry should have been given to the world a long time ago and Jesus would have returned.
You claimed that probation for the church ended decades ago, then what are you doing here on this forum preaching to Adventists? Once probation for the church ends the bearers of the message immediately turn to the world but that is not what you have been doing or is it?
sky
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Its evident the more Sky speaks to the lack of appreciation of the Scriptures esp the content of what ATJ was always insisiting and what Mrs White had to say about the denomination.

The rather loud call in Ezekiel 9 and the peculiar message of the MAN IN LINEN is denied by Ciel Bleu. Obviously Sky chooses to and forgets 5T205-217.

Sky once more stumbles over the theological speed bump of 1 Peter 4:17 and then ingloriously chooses to deflate and scatter to the winds the very words of Jesus in LUKE 21:24 when HE SPOKE ABOUT the kairos [probationary times of the nations] and what HE ASSOCIATED THE FULFILMENT. He said a certain event would occur with the city of Jerusalem and with it He said the times, the probationary times of the nations were inextrcably linked.

The same year the SDA church presented God her decree nisi and opted out by betraying her sacred trust with the Dual Atonement and eirily accepted the central dogma of the Little Horn. Even ATJ warned frewuently about the matter when speaking on religious liberty in the 1890's.

Its that Sky has not given the opportunity for God's word [half a chance] to lighten the discernment about Present Truth let alone why Jesus associated the "times" of the nations [which includes church bodies] would close, and gave the Bible student the precise event when it would close. But no, Sky apparently knows more than Jesus and Bible prophecy.

Sky has a lot of homework to do - we wish him the very best but when your wheel are always in the rut of the traditions and opinions of the church elders the peddling gets wobbly: you get stuck, its all confusing and tiring to behold. The responses to the accuracy of Scriptures and their importance are despised, sloghed off, and then the readers all suffer responses which are then loaded with vagaries, omissions and off tangent commentary.

Sorry Sky - but your not listening to the ample evidence of Holy Writ we understand it provides discomfort to your private interpretations, but why not do the additional research to the prompts provided by EC & LW and allow the hard yards your peddling be easier and your bike wheel can find the narrow path that is easy to navigate when it comes to Present Truth and know why Rev 17 needs to transpire first and then why God worded Rev 18:1. Besides this whole matter is all about the histroy of the nations and the predicament of Daniel 11:40-45 as well. ATJ and Co did not have the additional light we have today, had ATJ known of Luke 21:24 and its fulfilment would you have beleived him if he had shared this light after it occured? The implications of the times of the nations are quite serious and its relevancy to the closing work FOR THE CHURCH in the sealing time is also extremely relevant

Do say!
Robert Two

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#507 Feb 1, 2013
skyblue888 wrote:
LW either you are willfully ignorant or you do not take the time to read what is posted or lack discernment for I made it clear more than once that probation for the church, according to the parable/prophecy of Matt.22, ends at the end of the rejection of the second call followed by the giving of the loud cry to the world represented by the third call of the parable.
If people like you were really what you claim to be, the loud cry should have been given to the world a long time ago and Jesus would have returned.
You claimed that probation for the church ended decades ago, then what are you doing here on this forum preaching to Adventists? Once probation for the church ends the bearers of the message immediately turn to the world but that is not what you have been doing or is it?
sky
Like POBATION closing on ISRAEL. INDIVIDUALS were still free from this and their probation had not closed.
The SDA church leaders rejected calls from GOD more tham 3 times.
That is not a probation close on individual members.

I want an explanation of SUNDAY LAW as the close of Corporate probation on the SDA leaders.
Israel still has SABBATH today. They never abandonded SABBATH to close their PROBATION.
Robert Two

Australia

#508 Feb 1, 2013
the SDA CORPORATION cannot be exempt from GC.page 443. The same rule of GOD must apply to all.
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#509 Feb 1, 2013
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text> Like POBATION closing on ISRAEL. INDIVIDUALS were still free from this and their probation had not closed.
The SDA church leaders rejected calls from GOD more tham 3 times.
That is not a probation close on individual members.
I want an explanation of SUNDAY LAW as the close of Corporate probation on the SDA leaders.
Israel still has SABBATH today. They never abandonded SABBATH to close their PROBATION.
The readers can conclude

the NSL is a furphy to what the laity need to understand and see especially when the OMEGA of deadly heresy is involved and the OMEGA aint about NSL either!

Mrs White 'trembled for the people'
about the OMEGA and not the NSL

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#510 Feb 1, 2013
skyblue888 wrote:
The message "I will spew you out of My mouth" has been present truth ever since the church fell into the Loadicean condition.

"The figure of spewing out of His mouth means that He cannot offer up your prayers or your expressions of love to God. He cannot endorse your teaching of His word or your spiritual work in any wise. He cannot present your religious exercises with the request that grace be given you." Testimonies, Vol.6,408.

This was true in 1855 and it has been true ever since especially after the rejection of the 1888 message till this day.
No matter how apostate the church is at the present time she will not have sealed her rejection of God's mercy until she has fully rejected the second call of Matt.22 and the second call of Matt.22 is the 1888 message proclaimed again as it was in 1888 in demonstration and power of the Holy Spirit.

This message is the invitation to receive the righteousness of Christ through faith in His merits, that is, by appropriating His merits to ourselves on a daily basis. As we do this His righteousness is brought into the life and it accomplishes everything for His righteousness is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God. This is the third angel's message in clear, distinct lines. This message is to be proclaimed with a loud voice (still small voice of the Holy Spirit saying,'This is the way, walk ye in it,') and attended with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in large measure. See T.M.93,92.
sky
The figure of spewing of out of His mouth has been present truth ever since the church fell into the Laodicean condition in 1855.

Here is another way of explaining what that figure of spewing out of His mouth means. It means that

"Christ cannot take up the names of those who are satisfied in their own self-sufficiency. He cannot importune in behalf of a people who feel no need of His help, who claim to know and possess everything." 1 S.M.358.

This applied to the professed people of God in 1855 and thereafter until now.

As you can see the figure of spewing out of His mouth was not some future event! It applied as soon as the church fell into that condition.

Even after crucifying the Lord of glory (omega of their apostasy) added probation was extended to the Jewish people. It was not until they stoned Stephen three and a half years after the day of Pentecost that they finally sealed their rejection of God's mercy.

Of course those who today believe and teach that probation closed on the SDA church decades ago will defend their position to the death. Pride will get in the way of acknowledging that the message of Rev.18:1-5 is not present truth until her sins have reached unto heaven at the time of the Natinal Sunday Law.

And how can these people claim that probation has closed on the church decades ago when the 1888 message of the merits and righteousness of Christ has not even been presented by this party in clear, distinct lines?

What is even more preposterous is that these people have not yet even begun to give the loud cry message to the world and yet they claim that probation has closed for the SDA church. If probation for the church had already closed they would have proclained the loud cry message to the world decades ago.

But we have been told that the loud cry message will be of short duration for it will spread like fire in the stubble and the work will be cut short in righteousness.

We are certainly not there yet. The loud cry to the world has not even begun and it will not begin until the church has sealed her rejection of God's mercy by rejecting the 1888 message for the second time and this final rejection by the church will coincide with the National Sunday Law in the US and this will be the sign that the sins of Babylon will have reached unto Heaven and then the message of Revelation 18:1-5 will be present truth, not before.

sky

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#511 Feb 2, 2013
When the parable of Matt.22 was enacted in the days of Christ, it was not even concerned with some individuals receiving the light but it was concerned with the body as a whole. The parable speaks of two calls made to the bidden ones and both calls are rejected. Of course there were individuals who received the light but as a whole the Jewish nation resisted that light and the bearers of the message were persecuted. At the stoning of Stephen the Jewish nation sealed her rejection of God's mercy and the call extended to another class, the Gentiles.

This parable was spoken more for our time than for theirs. In the book The Great Controversy, p.428 the parable of Matt.22 is brought to view as having another starting point which is the time when Jesus passed from the Holy to the Most Holy place, to the wedding.

We are now living in the time of the second and final call to the bidden ones before the message swells into the loud cry to the world.

The parable clearly teaches that both calls to the bidden ones are rejected and the church as a whole is left behind and the bearers of the message turn to another class immediately following the rejection of the second call and the message swells into the loud cry to the world and it will coincide with the passing of the National Sunday Law which to the true people of God will be the sign that Babylon the Great is fallen for then her sins will have reached unto heaven.

sky

*It is not the Sunday Law itself that closes probation on the SDA denomination but the rejection of the second call which is the rejection of the 1888 message of the merits and righteousness of Christ proclaimed again in demonstration of the Spirit and power of God.
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#512 Feb 2, 2013
SKY is very slow to realise the call to denominational repentance that was made,[ A WARNING AND ITS RECEPTION] was actually rejected by the leadership of the SDA church. The leadership of contemporary Adventism rejected the call to repent over 1888.

Since the call was made, and consequently rejected, the prophecy of JESUS came into fruition.

SKY has yet to join all the dots but remains steadfast in hardihood and resistance to God.

Some reading for Sky

http://maranathamedia.com/site/index.php...

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#513 Feb 2, 2013
What happened to the loud cry? have you been giving the loud cry to the world for decades?

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#514 Feb 2, 2013
The loud cry to the world (third call of the parable of Matt.22) will not begin until the sins of Babylon have reached unto heaven (Rev.18:5) and we know that this event is still future for it will take the enactment of the National Sunday Law for her sins to reach unto Heaven.

This cannot be controversted no matter anyone says.

sky

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