You Cannot Stop Sinning Until After Jesus Returns

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Jesus Is My Lord

Sydney, Australia

#1 Jun 11, 2010
The end of our sinful nature DOES NOT OCCUR in this life! Adventists are wrong on this and are teaching a false gospel of works and perfectionism!
It will only happen after Jesus returns and changes us!
SDA are teaching people to rely on legalism and not completely on Jesus.
Paul taught us that he was sinning terribly, and he taught that it's the SIN IN HIM causing him to sin...and he was doing what he hated and what he wanted to do, that he was not and could not do, Romans 7:15.
Romans 7:14-8:1
14 The law is good, then. The trouble is not with the law but with me, because I am sold into slavery, with sin as my master. 15 I donít understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is right, but I donít do it. Instead, I do the very thing I hate. 16 I know perfectly well that what I am doing is wrong, and my bad conscience shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 But I canít help myself, because it is the sin inside me [THE SINFUL NATURE] that makes me do these evil things.
18 I know I am rotten through and through so far as my old sinful nature is concerned. No matter which way I turn, I canít [I CAN'T DO IT!! HE IS NOT SAYING HE IS REFUSING HE IS SAYING HE CANT - THIS IS THE WAY WE ARE AS SINNERS] make myself do right. I want to, but I canít. 19 When I want to do good, I donít. And when I try not to do wrong, I do it anyway.[HE IS SAYING THAT EVEN WHEN HE TRIES TO DO THE RIGHT IN HIM THAT THE SINFUL NATURE MAKES HIM DO THE WRONG] 20 But if I am doing what I donít want to do, I am not really the one doing it [ITS THAT SINFUL NATURE DOING IT SO I AM NOT GOING TO BLAME MYSELF ANYMORE - BLAME THE FALLEN SINFUL NATURE] ; the sin within me is doing it.
21 It seems to be a fact of life that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. 22 I love Godís law with all my heart. 23 But there is another law at work within me that is at war with my mind. This law wins the fight and makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. 24 Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin?
BUT HERE COMES THE GOOD NEWS AND THE SOLUTION:
25 Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey Godís law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin. 8:1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.
Amen.
Jesus Is My Lord

Sydney, Australia

#2 Jun 11, 2010
NOTICE, Jesus is the ANSWER, not your personal Sabbath keeping and works..Jesus and Jesus only!
A Voice In The Wilderness

Breinigsville, PA

#3 Jun 11, 2010
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that OVERCOMETH will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that OVERCOMETH shall not be hurt of the second death." Rev 2:11

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that OVERCOMETH will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Rev 2:17

"And he that OVERCOMETH, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations" Rev 2:26

"He that OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." Rev 3:5

"Him that OVERCOMETH will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Rev 3:12

"To him that OVERCOMETH will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also OVERCAME, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev 3:21

"He that OVERCOMETH shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." Rev 21:7

"And they OVERCAME him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Rev 12:11

"These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which FOLLOW the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God." Rev 14:4,5

"Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." 1 John 3:6,9

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48

This is a command & a promise.

Which is more powerful? SIN or GRACE?
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY

Sydney, Australia

#4 Jun 11, 2010
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that OVERCOMETH will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that OVERCOMETH shall not be hurt of the second death." Rev 2:11
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that OVERCOMETH will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Rev 2:17
"And he that OVERCOMETH, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations" Rev 2:26
"He that OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." Rev 3:5
"Him that OVERCOMETH will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Rev 3:12
"To him that OVERCOMETH will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also OVERCAME, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev 3:21
"He that OVERCOMETH shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." Rev 21:7
"And they OVERCAME him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Rev 12:11
"These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which FOLLOW the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God." Rev 14:4,5
"Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." 1 John 3:6,9
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48
This is a command & a promise.
Which is more powerful? SIN or GRACE?
Billions of Christians have been saved by grace but not a single human being has become been able to completely stop sinning and perfectly sinless.

If you claim grace is so powerful in your life, then why are you still a sinner?
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY

Sydney, Australia

#5 Jun 11, 2010
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
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"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48
This is a command & a promise.
Which is more powerful? SIN or GRACE?
If Matthew 5:48 is a command and teaches that you should become perfect and sinless, then why are you willfully disobeying God and still sinning?
A Voice In The Wilderness

Breinigsville, PA

#6 Jun 11, 2010
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY wrote:
Billions of Christians have been saved by grace but not a single human being has become been able to completely stop sinning and perfectly sinless.
If you claim grace is so powerful in your life, then why are you still a sinner?
There HAS been a human being who lived a perfect sinless life, His name is Jesus Christ. He is our example and we are to FOLLOW in His footsteps.

Just like many others I am putting in effort to overcome sin completely with the aid of the Holy Spirit. The reason we have not yet overcome sin is because we have not yielded FULL submission to our Lord.

JEHOVAH says "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," Is. 55:8. Though the idea of complete and total victory over sin may seem impossible to us in our minds we need to remember that it is God's PROMISE, shown through prophecy, that His people WILL overcome ALL sin through the power of the Holy Spirit. With man this may be impossible, but with Jesus and His Spirit as our strength all things are possible. It is that people who shall overcome all sin before His return that are described in Revelation 7 and Revelation 14, the 144,000. "These are they which follow the Lamb withersoever He goeth... for they are without fault before the throne of God." They will never claim that they are sinless however. Their lives will be irreproachable and they will be living representatives of the truth which they have accepted but as they ceaselessly continue to look upon Jesus as their example, the more clearly will they continue to discern His spotless perfection, and the more deeply will they feel their own defects. And while they will hang their helpless souls upon Christ's merits they will ever greater exalt Jesus Christ as their Strength and their Redeemer.

If the power of sin is greater than the power of God in giving us victory then Satan would ultimately win the war between good and evil. If we cannot achieve complete and total victory over sin in this lifetime then Christ has come in vain and there's no point in me discussing this subject with you. Praise be to our King and Savior for His promise that we CAN and we WILL overcome all sin before He comes, "not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts." Zech 4:6

Study the book of Revelation with an open heart and ready to receive God's truth and He will show you these truths.
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY

Sydney, Australia

#7 Jun 11, 2010
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
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There HAS been a human being who lived a perfect sinless life, His name is Jesus Christ. He is our example and we are to FOLLOW in His footsteps.
Just like many others I am putting in effort to overcome sin completely with the aid of the Holy Spirit. The reason we have not yet overcome sin is because we have not yielded FULL submission to our Lord.
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1. So if Jesus is your example, and you believe we are commanded to become perfect life Jesus, then WHY AREN'T YOU PERFECT?

2. You now changed your story a bit.. you now say you aren't perfect and sinless yet because you have not fully submitted to the Lord yet. So why are you willfully not submitting to the Lord? Why are you willfully being disobedient?

3. When do you plan on overcoming sin and being perfectly sinless? What's stopping you if all you need to do is rely on Jesus and submit to Him? Why are you being disobedient?

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#8 Jun 11, 2010
"You Cannot Stop Sinning Until After Jesus Returns"

An Unconverted topic who doesn't have faith in the power of JESUS or the HOLY SPIRIT.

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#9 Jun 11, 2010
Obeying God and keeping the commandments is obtainable.

It's really easy by the way..

Just stay out of trouble.. Requires no effort at all.
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY

Sydney, Australia

#10 Jun 11, 2010
Messenger4truth wrote:
"You Cannot Stop Sinning Until After Jesus Returns"
An Unconverted topic who doesn't have faith in the power of JESUS or the HOLY SPIRIT.
M4T is still a sinner and sinners breaks the Commandments of God, so in other words, M4T is a Commandment breaker, so his comments are invalid!
A Voice In The Wilderness

Breinigsville, PA

#11 Jun 11, 2010
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY wrote:
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1. So if Jesus is your example, and you believe we are commanded to become perfect life Jesus, then WHY AREN'T YOU PERFECT?
2. You now changed your story a bit.. you now say you aren't perfect and sinless yet because you have not fully submitted to the Lord yet. So why are you willfully not submitting to the Lord? Why are you willfully being disobedient?
3. When do you plan on overcoming sin and being perfectly sinless? What's stopping you if all you need to do is rely on Jesus and submit to Him? Why are you being disobedient?
I never changed my story. Conscious submission and full conversion are not the same thing. Study what SANCTIFICATION means and you will have your answer.
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY

Sydney, Australia

#12 Jun 11, 2010
Messenger4truth wrote:
Obeying God and keeping the commandments is obtainable.
It's really easy by the way..
Just stay out of trouble.. Requires no effort at all.
So are you perfectly sinless and never sin? After all, you said it's easy, right?

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#13 Jun 11, 2010
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY wrote:
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So are you perfectly sinless and never sin? After all, you said it's easy, right?
I obey God's commandments. Does that bother you?
A Voice In The Wilderness

Breinigsville, PA

#14 Jun 11, 2010
Messenger4truth wrote:
Obeying God and keeping the commandments is obtainable.
It's really easy by the way..
Just stay out of trouble.. Requires no effort at all.
Those who say it's easy are the ones under the greatest deception.

Nor does it require no effort on our part. On the contrary, overcoming sin requires the greatest of efforts on our part if, combined with the power of the Holy Spirit, we are to emerge victorious. Overcoming sin and living a holy life is not simply 'keeping the commandments', it includes the eradication of every defect, the complete and total transformation of character into Christ's likeness.

To live a sinless life is to live an exact transcript of the life Jesus lived on earth, in action, word, and thought. It is what the 144,000 will do under the power of the latter rain.

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#15 Jun 11, 2010
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
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Those who say it's easy are the ones under the greatest deception.
Nor does it require no effort on our part. On the contrary, overcoming sin requires the greatest of efforts on our part if, combined with the power of the Holy Spirit, we are to emerge victorious. Overcoming sin and living a holy life is not simply 'keeping the commandments', it includes the eradication of every defect, the complete and total transformation of character into Christ's likeness.
To live a sinless life is to live an exact transcript of the life Jesus lived on earth, in action, word, and thought. It is what the 144,000 will do under the power of the latter rain.
M4T>
Coming under the love of JESUS and keeping the commandments.. Is very easy.

Jesus said;
MAT 11V28Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

1st John 5v3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Take a look at the TEN -- no work involved just abstaining from trouble..

It's not complicated, children get it.
Lay Worker

United States

#16 Jun 11, 2010
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
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Those who say it's easy are the ones under the greatest deception.
Nor does it require no effort on our part.

1) On the contrary, overcoming sin requires the greatest of efforts on our part if, combined with the power of the Holy Spirit, we are to emerge victorious.

2) Overcoming sin and living a holy life is not simply 'keeping the commandments', it includes the eradication of every defect, the complete and total transformation of character into Christ's likeness.

3) To live a sinless life is to live an exact transcript of the life Jesus lived on earth, in action, word, and thought. It is what the 144,000 will do under the power of the latter rain.
1) sounds far too much like works

2 - sounds far too much like works - dont like the way the term eradication is used. It can mean anything esp when the concept is not in the Bible.

3)- Where in the Bible does it reveal the LR as a power that the sinner can reveal the exact transcript of the life of Jesus in word, thought and action? Keep your responses limited to the Latter Rain[ LR].
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY

Sydney, Australia

#17 Jun 12, 2010
Messenger4truth wrote:
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I obey God's commandments. Does that bother you?
You obey God's Commandments? So are you saying you have perfectly ceased from sinning and never ever sin anymore?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#18 Jun 12, 2010
You're right "you cannot stop sinning..." period. It's an human impossibility, because it is God who works in you to will and to do of His good pleasure.
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY

Sydney, Australia

#19 Jun 12, 2010
Sunrise77 wrote:
You're right "you cannot stop sinning..." period. It's an human impossibility, because it is God who works in you to will and to do of His good pleasure.
If it was possible to stop sinning, I would have stopped sinning, because I hate sinning, I detest sinning, I loathe sinning, and I love God's Law, I would love to be perfectly obedient.

But as Paul teaches us, it is the sin in us that causes us to sin, even when we detest sinning. Paul was saved when he wrote the bible, because nobody would are claim we have a lost man writing the bible would they? And Paul was sinning terribly, even saying that he hates what he is doing, and what he wanted to do, that he could not do, because the sin in him was causing him to sin.

When Jesus returns he will change us to become like Him, and not before. Why would Jesus change everyone if some have already become perfect before Jesus returns!?

It's your attitude towards sin that shows if you are sealed with the Holy Spirit or not. Sealed Christians detest sin like Paul wrote in Romans 7. Unsealed and lost people do not care if they sin or not. That is the difference.
sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#20 Jun 12, 2010
IT IS FINISHED AT CALVARY wrote:
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If it was possible to stop sinning, I would have stopped sinning, because I hate sinning, I detest sinning, I loathe sinning, and I love God's Law, I would love to be perfectly obedient.
But as Paul teaches us, it is the sin in us that causes us to sin, even when we detest sinning. Paul was saved when he wrote the bible, because nobody would are claim we have a lost man writing the bible would they? And Paul was sinning terribly, even saying that he hates what he is doing, and what he wanted to do, that he could not do, because the sin in him was causing him to sin.
When Jesus returns he will change us to become like Him, and not before. Why would Jesus change everyone if some have already become perfect before Jesus returns!?
It's your attitude towards sin that shows if you are sealed with the Holy Spirit or not. Sealed Christians detest sin like Paul wrote in Romans 7. Unsealed and lost people do not care if they sin or not. That is the difference.
The sin in him was causing him to sin?
Big difference between the sin we do and our sinful nature. Sin doesn't not make us sin, a sinful nature makes us sin. The difference is what we don't want to do, and what we really want to do.
When Christ is abiding in us, and the Holy Spirit is helping us we can overcome any temptation to sin - He is able to keep us from falling! If God is in control he will not allow you to sin, he will not allow you to be tempted anymore then you are able to bear, He can and will keep you from sinning - it's a great promise we can claim.

However if you really want to sin, no power in heaven can keep you from doing it because God has given you free will to do what you want. He is able to keep you from falling and present you faultless before the throne of God at the judgment.

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