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Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#1 Feb 1, 2013
Please tell me what you know, and what you think you know about Armstrongism and the WCG.
humblepie

Sunnybank, Australia

#2 Feb 1, 2013
I know nothing of them but in my 30 second search I found they believe that White people from America and England are a lost 10 tribes of Israel...
(coo coo)

So more Literal Lost tribes people, my guess is they think they will be saved purely from their own blood/inheritance instead of Christs Blood/Grace and The Repentant Sinners Faith

Yet the Bible teaches "God is No respecter of Persons"

"The God of The Jew is also the God of the Greek as Well"

Looks like They have the sate of the dead right at least, Satan always seems to mix truth with error.

http://hwarmstrong.com/armstrongism.htm
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#4 Feb 1, 2013
humblepie wrote:
I know nothing of them but in my 30 second search I found they believe that White people from America and England are a lost 10 tribes of Israel...
(coo coo)
So more Literal Lost tribes people, my guess is they think they will be saved purely from their own blood/inheritance instead of Christs Blood/Grace and The Repentant Sinners Faith
Yet the Bible teaches "God is No respecter of Persons"
"The God of The Jew is also the God of the Greek as Well"
Looks like They have the sate of the dead right at least, Satan always seems to mix truth with error.
http://hwarmstrong.com/armstrongism.htm
No, they did not teach that salvation was based upon ones blood line.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#5 Feb 1, 2013
Vladimir Putin wrote:
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I wonder what dead people are doing right now? Are they twiddling their thumbs, flying through the atmosphere, dancing and singing and waving palm branches, screaming loudly about the heat?
Oh, come off it. The dead are dead, unconscious.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#6 Feb 1, 2013
humblepie wrote:
I know nothing of them but in my 30 second search I found they believe that White people from America and England are a lost 10 tribes of Israel...
(coo coo)
So more Literal Lost tribes people, my guess is they think they will be saved purely from their own blood/inheritance instead of Christs Blood/Grace and The Repentant Sinners Faith
Yet the Bible teaches "God is No respecter of Persons"
"The God of The Jew is also the God of the Greek as Well"
Looks like They have the sate of the dead right at least, Satan always seems to mix truth with error.
http://hwarmstrong.com/armstrongism.htm
There is more than that; a lot true but a lot unbiblical in their translation. Had some friends that were. Many gave up the Sabbath and some internal strife as I remember
LOMALINDAPROF

United States

#8 Feb 4, 2013
Best group of the Armstrong leftovers is Tomorrows World. Also check out the MessianicCongregations..seems pretty close to original church.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#9 Feb 4, 2013
LOMALINDAPROF wrote:
Best group of the Armstrong leftovers is Tomorrows World. Also check out the MessianicCongregations..seems pretty close to original church.
That would be Rod Merediths group the Living Church of God but I wouldn't say it's the best group.

Sure, it is closest to HWA and the WCG's original teachings, but the WCG was a cult just as the SDA church is.

True followers of Jesus will not belong to any church organisation. We may fellowship among the organisations, but we'll never be a member.

I would not recommend any messianic groups either. They are too Jewish.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#10 Feb 4, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
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That would be Rod Merediths group the Living Church of God but I wouldn't say it's the best group.
Sure, it is closest to HWA and the WCG's original teachings, but the WCG was a cult just as the SDA church is.
True followers of Jesus will not belong to any church organisation. We may fellowship among the organisations, but we'll never be a member.
I would not recommend any messianic groups either. They are too Jewish.
Kevin, that is the best thing you have ever said, that the true followers of Jesus will NOT belong to any church organization and do not belong to any messianic group either!

Personally, I have found many great things with the Armstrong 'group', but Jesus is not interested in any man made religion but only those who choose to be in the Kingdom of Heaven by keeping all of the commandments and abiding in ONLY His words.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#11 Feb 4, 2013
Vladimir Putin wrote:
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I used to think so, until I came on this forum and met the following LIVING dead:
1. DANNO (crusher of the truth)
2. Dennis (a man without a heart, living by cold pacesetters)
3. Rockroller (Lady haircurlers)
4. Pioneer (aka Terrilyn, etc., etc.)
5. Lay Worker (commonly called the Little FOWL), and
6. Earthcaller (an earthcrawler of wormy stature)
These six are a mighty nuance among the saints.
GB is great for calling people names, making fun of them and putting them down as the Pharisees did with Jesus.

I don't mind, but I do find it interesting that everyone will have to stand judgment for what they wrote and said, before the Great Judge of the Heavens! Good luck with that!
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#12 Feb 4, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Kevin, that is the best thing you have ever said, that the true followers of Jesus will NOT belong to any church organization and do not belong to any messianic group either!
Personally, I have found many great things with the Armstrong 'group', but Jesus is not interested in any man made religion but only those who choose to be in the Kingdom of Heaven by keeping all of the commandments and abiding in ONLY His words.
No Rock, that is not the best thing I've said. It's just you refuse to heed the truth that I've written.

Paul taught obedience to God's law. He taught obedience to the Sabbath and Holy Days. It's just that God has allowed those who refuse to obey to believe a lie. Just as Paul said would happen.

The truth is only a "little flock" is being called in this life.

The rest of the dead will live again after the millenium and then they will be shown the truth. It's not for them to know now.

It sounds arrogant but it's the truth.
Lay Worker

Myrtleford, Australia

#13 Feb 4, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
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The rest of the dead will live again after the millenium and then they will be shown the truth. It's not for them to know now.
It sounds arrogant but it's the truth.
Kevvie never presents the Scriptures with these runaway claims
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#14 Feb 4, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
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No Rock, that is not the best thing I've said. It's just you refuse to heed the truth that I've written.
Paul taught obedience to God's law. He taught obedience to the Sabbath and Holy Days. It's just that God has allowed those who refuse to obey to believe a lie. Just as Paul said would happen.
The truth is only a "little flock" is being called in this life.
The rest of the dead will live again after the millenium and then they will be shown the truth. It's not for them to know now.
It sounds arrogant but it's the truth.
What do you do with Matthew 24:14? I believe it blows your theory that the wicked dead will have a time after they are resurected to choose to become converted by fear of being thrown in the lake of fire--just as Saul was forced by fear of being blind all of his life unless he converted to the voice in his head.

As I said before, MY Jesus would NEVER force anyone to become converted! That is proof positive that Satan was the one who caused Saul to go blind!

If we had it YOUR way, then ALL of the dead who were evil and wicked would have a beef with Jesus/God for discrimination. If God would do that for Saul, then He MUST do that for everyone in the world! Sorry Kevin, but your way does not hold water!
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#15 Feb 4, 2013
Lay Worker wrote:
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Kevvie never presents the Scriptures with these runaway claims
Don't you know your bible LW?

Have you never read about the Great White Throne Judgement?

It says the rest of the dead. It also says the Book of Life is opened.

Why do you think the book of life is opened?

I would think that everyone written in the book of life was resurected at the beginning of the millenium. What's the point of opening it at the end of the millenium?

The only reason to open it would be to put new names in it.

Oh, that's right. You believe in the IJ, where God has to prove to you why he does what he does.

You probably think it's opened to show everyone that it's empty.

Oh brother, you SDA are so pathetic.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#16 Feb 4, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> What do you do with Matthew 24:14? I believe it blows your theory that the wicked dead will have a time after they are resurected to choose to become converted by fear of being thrown in the lake of fire--just as Saul was forced by fear of being blind all of his life unless he converted to the voice in his head.
As I said before, MY Jesus would NEVER force anyone to become converted! That is proof positive that Satan was the one who caused Saul to go blind!
If we had it YOUR way, then ALL of the dead who were evil and wicked would have a beef with Jesus/God for discrimination. If God would do that for Saul, then He MUST do that for everyone in the world! Sorry Kevin, but your way does not hold water!
You know Rock, your SDA background keeps coming out.

O.k. you ask about Matt. 24:14 which says that the gospel wioll be preached to the whole world before Jesus comes.

We also have the thrid angel preaching the everlasting gospel before Jesus comes.

That's the problem with you SDA you don't think.

That's all well and good for those alive at that time. But what about the 15 year old boy in Africa that died last year never hearing of Jesus.

What about the old grandma in India that lived 3000 years ago never hearing of Jesus. What happens to her?

Will she come up in the first resurection or the GWTJ resurection?

Does she not have the opportunity to be shown the truth?

That's the problem with SDA theology they are so blinded by the desolate earth lie, and the "there is only two groups of people, the saved and the lost, the righteous and the wicked".

You people are so blind that when the truth does hit you in the face you are so arrogant, thinking you know it all, that you refuse to listen.

Believe me, I'm not the only arrogant one on this forum.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#17 Feb 4, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> What do you do with Matthew 24:14? I believe it blows your theory that the wicked dead will have a time after they are resurected to choose to become converted by fear of being thrown in the lake of fire--just as Saul was forced by fear of being blind all of his life unless he converted to the voice in his head.
As I said before, MY Jesus would NEVER force anyone to become converted! That is proof positive that Satan was the one who caused Saul to go blind!
If we had it YOUR way, then ALL of the dead who were evil and wicked would have a beef with Jesus/God for discrimination. If God would do that for Saul, then He MUST do that for everyone in the world! Sorry Kevin, but your way does not hold water!
Rock, that's why your understanding is so messed up.

You think God forced conversion on Paul. That is not what happened, but you're only able to see things through your false ideas.

How can anyone communicate the truth to you when you have been blinded so badly with lies?

God does not force conversion on anyone, but he is so merciful that he is willing to give everyone, even you, the chance to repent.

One day you will see that your anti Paul lies were so corrupt that you have led guys like danno astray, but God will be willing to show mercy to you. Maybe then you'll be thankful that we do have a merciful God.
Lay Worker

Myrtleford, Australia

#18 Feb 4, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
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Don't you know your bible LW?
Have you never read about the Great White Throne Judgement?
It says the rest of the dead. It also says the Book of Life is opened.
Why do you think the book of life is opened?
I would think that everyone written in the book of life was resurected at the beginning of the millenium. What's the point of opening it at the end of the millenium?

The only reason to open it would be to put new names in it.
Oh, that's right. You believe in the IJ, where God has to prove to you why he does what he does.
You probably think it's opened to show everyone that it's empty.
Oh brother, you SDA are so pathetic.
How pathetic of Kevvie to again bear false witness - hint thats a grievous sin before God or have you also lopped the last chapter out of Revelation as well?

LW has always stated there is no IJ of the saints.
Did you hear that KEVVIE? Or are you also theologically tone deaf?

KEVVIE says ......

----------I would think that everyone written in the book of life was resurected at the beginning of the millenium. What's the point of opening it at the end of the millenium? The only reason to open it would be to put new names in it.---------

Lets eloborate Kevvie on the claims that Kevvie feels new names are added to the LBOL after the Millenium. WHere does the Lambkin let alone the Bible aver this Kevvie? Rev 3:5 does not carry those ideas at all.

Kevvie feels the LBOL is opened after the millenium to place in there additional names - the irony of this is that its an assumption based on second chance theology and totally contrary to Paul's Gospel and then Kevvie has the galloping gall to say Rockybullwinkle is wrong about Paul.

Yikes - readers better steer clear of this Kevvie with the wierd manifesto
A Voice In The Wilderness

Downingtown, PA

#19 Feb 4, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
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Don't you know your bible LW?
Have you never read about the Great White Throne Judgement?
It says the rest of the dead. It also says the Book of Life is opened.
Why do you think the book of life is opened?
I would think that everyone written in the book of life was resurected at the beginning of the millenium. What's the point of opening it at the end of the millenium?
The only reason to open it would be to put new names in it.
Oh, that's right. You believe in the IJ, where God has to prove to you why he does what he does.
You probably think it's opened to show everyone that it's empty.
Oh brother, you SDA are so pathetic.
The primary reason for the opening of the Book of Life prior to the Second Coming is to blot names out.

The primary reason for the opening of the Book of Life at the end of the thousand years is to show the wicked which have gathered around the Holy City that because of their unrepentant hearts their names have been blotted out and are no longer found in the Book, causing them to forfeit the inheritance of the Redeemed.

Question is, when were the names written in the Book prior to them being blotted out? In other words, when was the Book of Life, in its entirety, written by God?
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#20 Feb 4, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
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You know Rock, your SDA background keeps coming out.
O.k. you ask about Matt. 24:14 which says that the gospel wioll be preached to the whole world before Jesus comes.
We also have the thrid angel preaching the everlasting gospel before Jesus comes.
That's the problem with you SDA you don't think.
That's all well and good for those alive at that time. But what about the 15 year old boy in Africa that died last year never hearing of Jesus.
What about the old grandma in India that lived 3000 years ago never hearing of Jesus. What happens to her?
Will she come up in the first resurection or the GWTJ resurection?
Does she not have the opportunity to be shown the truth?
That's the problem with SDA theology they are so blinded by the desolate earth lie, and the "there is only two groups of people, the saved and the lost, the righteous and the wicked".
You people are so blind that when the truth does hit you in the face you are so arrogant, thinking you know it all, that you refuse to listen.
Believe me, I'm not the only arrogant one on this forum.
I am glad my SDA backgroud comes out because ONLY the Adventists as a group have said they will keep all of the commandments. No other group in this world states that same thing.

As for the NAME of the gospel to be preached to ALL the world before the end comes, it is called "The gospel of (about) the Kingdom of Heaven" and NOT the same gospel as Paul invented NOR the three angel's messeges. This has NOT yet been done.

As for those who die prior to the time of trouble, this is where grace comes to play a part. God's grace will save the person IF they are truely seeking truth but don't yet have it when they die before Jesus comes. It's just that simple. And of course this means that they obey the common law which IS God's law that applies to everyone.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#21 Feb 5, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> I am glad my SDA backgroud comes out because ONLY the Adventists as a group have said they will keep all of the commandments. No other group in this world states that same thing.
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What????

The above is one of the most stupid things that I have seen Rock write.

Have you no clue how many Sabbath keeping groups are out there?

In China alone there is the True Jesus Church with well over a million members.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#22 Feb 5, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
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As for those who die prior to the time of trouble, this is where grace comes to play a part. God's grace will save the person IF they are truely seeking truth but don't yet have it when they die before Jesus comes. It's just that simple. And of course this means that they obey the common law which IS God's law that applies to everyone.
So, according to Rock, if there is an African that has never heard of Jesus, but is leading a good life and trying his best, then God's grace will save the person.

I won't even mention here how Rock has said that there is no Grace, his main reason for rejecting Paul.

Nevertheless, if what Rock claims is correct, then what is the point of the SDA church sending missionaries? Or, what is the point of Jesus telling us to "go ye therefore into all the world teaching and baptizing"?

If they will be saved anyway. All a missionary is doing is giving them the opportunity to reject Christ and be lost.

Sorry, but as usual your SDA background makes no sense when thought through.

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