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robert two

Australia

#1 Nov 3, 2009
Now Paul must have been in DEPRESSION to write.

That that I would do I do not.
That that I would not that I do.

Only those in DEPRESSION will understand that this is how there life works and that is why it is so depressing.
If you have never had depression and only 60% of people are subject to depression then you have little idea as to the infliction this is.
Listen to Paul's critics he was small in statute and the only thing he had going for him was he had seen the light and had CONVICTION.

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#2 Nov 3, 2009
robert two wrote:
Now Paul must have been in DEPRESSION to write.
That that I would do I do not.
That that I would not that I do.
I do not agree that Paul was in depression when he wrote that.

:-)
Lay Worker

United States

#3 Nov 3, 2009
CINDERS wrote:
<quoted text>

I do not agree that Paul was in
depression when he wrote that.

:-)
Tell us why ...
Paul from California

Pacific Grove, CA

#4 Nov 3, 2009
robert two wrote:
Now Paul must have been in DEPRESSION to write.
That that I would do I do not.
That that I would not that I do.
Only those in DEPRESSION will understand that this is how there life works and that is why it is so depressing.
If you have never had depression and only 60% of people are subject to depression then you have little idea as to the infliction this is.
Listen to Paul's critics he was small in statute and the only thing he had going for him was he had seen the light and had CONVICTION.
Rob, I don't believe you would resort to this.

Please, this is a distortion of God's revelation. It is not good to twist the mind of God.

Per the Holy Spirit, Paul is explaining the cursed effects of the sinful nature that all of us have and have to deal with day in and day out.

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#5 Nov 3, 2009
Paul from California wrote:
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Rob, I don't believe you would resort to this.
Please, this is a distortion of God's revelation. It is not good to twist the mind of God.
Per the Holy Spirit, Paul is explaining the cursed effects of the sinful nature that all of us have and have to deal with day in and day out.
Paul give it up! For you are the one who twists scripture and make God out to be a liar and God cannot lie.

You really don't read other peoples postings do you, for if you did then you would realize that Robert has stated that he suffers from depression himself. Why don't you get some compassion in those bones of yours and take advice from Jesus and follow His example.
robert two

Australia

#6 Nov 3, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us why ...
Woe is me for I am all undone.
I rest my case
Depressed people take the blame.
Paul from California

Pacific Grove, CA

#7 Nov 3, 2009
robert two wrote:
Now Paul must have been in DEPRESSION to write.
That that I would do I do not.
That that I would not that I do.
Only those in DEPRESSION will understand that this is how there life works and that is why it is so depressing.
If you have never had depression and only 60% of people are subject to depression then you have little idea as to the infliction this is.
Listen to Paul's critics he was small in statute and the only thing he had going for him was he had seen the light and had CONVICTION.
Why do you joke at the power of Christ in Paul,Robert?

10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ[b] who strengthens me. Phil 4-10..13
messenger4truth

Reno, NV

#8 Nov 3, 2009
robert two wrote:
Now Paul must have been in DEPRESSION to write.
That that I would do I do not.
That that I would not that I do.
Only those in DEPRESSION will understand that this is how there life works and that is why it is so depressing.
If you have never had depression and only 60% of people are subject to depression then you have little idea as to the infliction this is.
Listen to Paul's critics he was small in statute and the only thing he had going for him was he had seen the light and had CONVICTION.
Great points robert.

Yes the bible is filled with depressed moments.

1st Kings 19 v10
And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD [came] to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

v11
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I,[even] I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

Jesus depressed - sorrowful

Mat 26 v 38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me

Mat 26 v 41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.

Eph 6v12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak

Phl 1v But if I live in the flesh, this [is] the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not

For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better

Nevertheless to abide in the flesh [is] more needful for you

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake..

It goes on YES our lives are depressed here, on this curse ridden planet.

REV 12V And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death..

No denial here depression is a natural physical reaction to the curse of sin, while the hope of resurrection in CHRIST is the salvation..

You can't have one without the other.
robert two

Queanbeyan, Australia

#9 Nov 3, 2009
Thankyou that is most interesting.
robert two

Queanbeyan, Australia

#10 Nov 3, 2009
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you joke at the power of Christ in Paul,Robert?
10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ[b] who strengthens me. Phil 4-10..13
So you have the Catholic sainthood situation for PAUL.
But yes without the strengthening from GOD Paul was nothing.

Remember In him we live move and have our being....and no other way.
Paul from California

Pacific Grove, CA

#11 Nov 4, 2009
robert two wrote:
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So you have the Catholic sainthood situation for PAUL.
But yes without the strengthening from GOD Paul was nothing.
Remember In him we live move and have our being....and no other way.
Rob, I have scriptual revelation of the Power of Christ in Paul which kept him content.

11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: Phil 4-11 and 13

Why do people disregard the scriptures and apply whatever fits
your reasoning. Moreover you bash and laugh at people that present
Biblical facts.
robert two

Australia

#12 Nov 4, 2009
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
Rob, I have scriptual revelation of the Power of Christ in Paul which kept him content.
11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: Phil 4-11 and 13
Why do people disregard the scriptures and apply whatever fits
your reasoning. Moreover you bash and laugh at people that present
Biblical facts.
No I do not first understand why PAUL is saying what he is then take into account what the power of GOD did for PAUL

Paul is talk in persepective not just on one text alone here .
Paul from California

Pacific Grove, CA

#13 Nov 5, 2009
robert two wrote:
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No I do not first understand why PAUL is saying what he is then take into account what the power of GOD did for PAUL
Paul is talk in persepective not just on one text alone here .
Rob, do you understand the sinful nature of man?

Man received this curse by Adams act of disobedience.
Paul is simply experiencing the effects of a sinful nature,
why do I do the things I don't want to do....sin

Why, a few minutes after praying to God, my heart sins like
crazy on the freeway? Why after praying in church, with in seconds
I can wonder off mentally thinking sexual thoughts with some attractive female in the church. I don't want to do these things,
but I do them..........this is our sinful nature

Rom 5-12 to 21 Read this Rob

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#14 Nov 5, 2009
Are you "Paul from C*" depressed?
robert two

Australia

#15 Nov 5, 2009
I cannot see what that has to do with the healthof PAUL.
Other than yes he could be ill because ADAM sinned.
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
Rob, do you understand the sinful nature of man?
Man received this curse by Adams act of disobedience.
Paul is simply experiencing the effects of a sinful nature,
why do I do the things I don't want to do....sin
Why, a few minutes after praying to God, my heart sins like
crazy on the freeway? Why after praying in church, with in seconds
I can wonder off mentally thinking sexual thoughts with some attractive female in the church. I don't want to do these things,
but I do them..........this is our sinful nature
Rom 5-12 to 21 Read this Rob

Since: May 08

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#16 Feb 20, 2011
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us why ...
Why?
robert two

Adelaide, Australia

#17 Feb 20, 2011
CINDERS wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not agree that Paul was in depression when he wrote that.
:-)
Well he was with the thorn in the flesh issues.

Being in depression is nopt a major problem. As it lowers his self esteem which is good for any Christian.
robert two

Adelaide, Australia

#18 Feb 20, 2011
Depression would help PAUL to not be OVER CONFIDENT in his human person.
PAUL admited it helped him.
DANNO

Aldershot, UK

#19 May 11, 2011
robert two wrote:
Now Paul must have been in DEPRESSION to write.
That that I would do I do not.
That that I would not that I do.
Only those in DEPRESSION will understand that this is how there life works and that is why it is so depressing.
If you have never had depression and only 60% of people are subject to depression then you have little idea as to the infliction this is.
Listen to Paul's critics he was small in statute and the only thing he had going for him was he had seen the light and had CONVICTION.
ROB2.

You are correct he was a depressed MAN! He lied and SPIRITUALLY DESTROYED Timothy completly!! How could he NOT be DEPRESSED after what he did to little TIMY?? Read GAL 5: 2-4 & ACTS 16: 3

and then read 1st Tim 2: 12-13 & 1st Cor 14: 34 what he said about WOMEN!

He was also depressed because GOD REFUSED to HEAL HIM in 2nd Cor 12: 7 God CURSED HIM!! NOT SATAN!! Who wants to see the proof that GOD cursed him?

Dan
DANNO

Aldershot, UK

#20 May 11, 2011
robert two wrote:
Depression would help PAUL to not be OVER CONFIDENT in his human person.
PAUL admited it helped him.
HE CONNED You and tried to CON himself into believing it WAS SATAN that CURSED him and NOT GOD!! He is a spiritual LIAR Rom 3: 7 God does NOT want people to come to him with PAUL's Spiritual LIES!! He thought GOD would appreciate his little white spiritual lies to convert people to CHRISTIANITY.

Dan

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