EGW was a fraud!
DANNO

London, UK

#1372 Aug 4, 2012
Crazy Baptist wrote:
<quoted text>
I strongly disagree.
Jesus being God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
If faith is the substance of things not seen and Jesus the Co-Creator of all that is (in other words He has seen everything) then what would Jesus need to have faith in?
Some bible:
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
If you answer "Jesus had faith the Father would raise Him from the dead" then what do you do with verses like this:
John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
AND
John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
Jesus is God. Omnipresent and all knowing. To claim He has faith, we would be forced to redefine the word faith from the definition the bible gives.
Blessings, CB
CrazyB.

Your friend Mr Martin doe's NOT like SPIRITUAL QUESTIONS combined with BIBLE QUOTES!! Just thought you should know this.

Dan
Rockroller

Blue Jay, CA

#1373 Aug 4, 2012
CB, You answered correctly that Jesus did not need to have any faith as he KNEW the truth and could see clearly what was going to happen.

The same goes for the 144k as they too will KNOW the truth and it is the words of Jesus (truth) that allows them to see the truth and KNOW what is going to happen and when.

Faith allows one to believe a lie without feeling guilty for failing to search for the truth.

It's also impossible to argue facts with someone who has built their belief on faith.

Faith is the common denominator of ALL man made religions as NONE of them want anyone to know and practice the truth.
Lay Worker

Perth, Australia

#1374 Aug 4, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
CB, You answered correctly that Jesus did not need to have any faith as he KNEW the truth and could see clearly what was going to happen.
The same goes for the 144k as they too will KNOW the truth and it is the words of Jesus (truth) that allows them to see the truth and KNOW what is going to happen and when.
Faith allows one to believe a lie without feeling guilty for failing to search for the truth.
It's also impossible to argue facts with someone who has built their belief on faith.
Faith is the common denominator of ALL man made religions as NONE of them want anyone to know and practice the truth.
DOUBLE TALK
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#1375 Aug 4, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
DOUBLE TALK
My little itty bitty FOWL, his post was not an egg. Stop mixing your metaphors! It's not nice.
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#1376 Aug 4, 2012
Better stuff wrote:
<quoted text>
My little itty bitty FOWL, his post was not an egg. Stop mixing your metaphors! It's not nice.
LW was correct - what the Dennis said was double talk.

CB
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#1377 Aug 4, 2012
Correction: What the RR said was in fact double talk.

The LW hit the nail on the head.

My apologies Dennis.

CB
Rockroller

Blue Jay, CA

#1378 Aug 4, 2012
Crazy Baptist wrote:
Correction: What the RR said was in fact double talk.
The LW hit the nail on the head.
My apologies Dennis.
CB
Why? Didn't you testify that Jesus did not need any faith? I simply agreed with you. Will U need any faith in heaven? If so, why?

When one becomes sealed by God and therefore born again by the Holy Spirit and will never sin again, will that person ever need faith? If so, why?
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#1379 Aug 4, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Why? Didn't you testify that Jesus did not need any faith? I simply agreed with you. Will U need any faith in heaven? If so, why?
When one becomes sealed by God and therefore born again by the Holy Spirit and will never sin again, will that person ever need faith? If so, why?
I will show you the double talk. It had nothing to do with what was said about Jesus faith.

The RR said: It's also impossible to argue facts with someone who has built their belief on faith.

The CB says: Belief and faith go hand in hand.

What you believe is your faith.

One cannot exist without the other.

CB
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#1380 Aug 4, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Why? Didn't you testify that Jesus did not need any faith? I simply agreed with you. Will U need any faith in heaven? If so, why?
When one becomes sealed by God and therefore born again by the Holy Spirit and will never sin again, will that person ever need faith? If so, why?
RR asks: Why? Didn't you testify that Jesus did not need any faith? I simply agreed with you. Will U need any faith in heaven? If so, why?

CB replies: We are on the same page here.

No we will not need faith in heaven.

CB

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1381 Aug 4, 2012
DANNO wrote:
<quoted text>
You refuse to answer 1314 is that correct?
Then don't ever bother to write like you did in post 1295 if you don't want people to question your points & beliefs and the false facts! Your post 1295 is MISLEADING and SATANIC LIES on JESUS! Post 1314 proves it!
Dan
Why are you so concerned, worry, mad and scare of my post #1295 so much?

Is it not becuase it is so powerful you had never been taught like that?

Here it is to repeat it and learn and be afraid very afraid because here is wisdom, power and salvation because it comes directly from the Bible!!!

If you do not agree with something let's talk about it one piece meal at a time and not like you do a large chunk that no one can possibly manage.

(due to lenght, see next post)

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1382 Aug 4, 2012
********** MY FAMOUS POST #1295 **********

Rockroller, I am sad to tell you the base of your argument is your lack of spiritual understanding of Matthews 19 rich young man!

You must discern the message spiritually not so literally!!!

Jesus is not saying that the Law saves you and that's all, as you interpret it.

You seem to think that the path to salvation is just keeping the law or else you are lost as the young rich man.

You are missing the whole point of the encounter!!!

Read it again carefully with the help of the Holy Spirit. Notice the final word of Jesus to him:

"Then come, follow me"

Here is proof that those were the last words that made him sad, see the next verse:

When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.(Matthew 19:22 TNIV)

It was not the law keeping that saved him, he did in fact kept the law, Jesus admitted it by not contradicting him!!!

But now the subject is not salvation but PERFECTION!!!

"All these I have kept, the young man said. "What do I still lack?"(Matthew 19:20 TNIV)

He was fine keeping the law but that was NOT enough because his love was not into Jesus!!!

He was not willing to follow Jesus!!!

That was his fault, not the law!!!

The disciples who were there present understood the context. It was not about the Law but about perfection by following Jesus, here is their response:

Peter answered him,We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?"(Matthew 19:27 TNIV)

Notice that Peter did not ask/said:

"Peter answered him, We have left everything to KEEP THE LAW! What then will there be for us?"

the Law was NOT the issue, it was the FOLLOWING of Jesus!!!

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, FOLLOW me.”(Matthew 19:21 TNIV)

Salvation comes in LEVELS. You can be saved and clean the toilets* in the New Jerusalem, or maybe you might end up delivering news papers* in the New City but nevertheless STILL SAVED!!!(* I am sort of joking to get to my point).

The fact that the salvation LEVES/RANKS or DEGREES is the topic can be proven beyond any doubt by reading the disciples question and response from Jesus:

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect..."

In other words:
"You are already saved but not perfect yet so you will not be in leadership position but picking up trash in the New Jerusalem, sorry body!"

cont...

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1383 Aug 4, 2012
cont...

Here is proof of my statement about POSITION in the Kingdom of God, read final verses:

"Peter answered him, We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?"(Matthew 19:27 TNIV)

Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."(Matthew 19:28-30 TNIV)

Jesus said: "will receive a hundred times as much" that is amount or level or degree!

"... will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel"

Since there are only a few thrones then not everyone saved will get to judge!

Some will STILL be saved but will not judge only clean up toilets! But at least saved!!!

Some will have important positions others lower positions in the Kingdom of God, some will be leaders, number ones, other will be followers in lower positions!

Today's presidents and kings might be followers of poor pastors today!

Those that were great, number ones, first ones on earth will be only followers of those considered poor, incompetent, last in this world!

Jesus said better in the last verse:

But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.(Matthew 19:30 TNIV)

I hope this clarify your misunderstanding!!!

Any questions?

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1384 Aug 4, 2012
My post #1295 (repeated above) is powerful isn't it?

If you have any problem then let's talk slowly one verse or idea at a time, Ok?

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1385 Aug 4, 2012
DANNO wrote:
<quoted text>
You did NOT give ONE Bible quote on your post!! FACT!!
You are too afraid to give Bible quotes because you KNOW I will BAZOOKER them with JESUS WORDS and by his eye witnesses/APOSTLES!!! FACT!
Dan
Why do you claim that the Kingdom of Heaven is a question and answer game?

You are so wrong it is embarrasing to argue about it!!!!

Let me repeat, the Kingdom of Heaven is not about who knows the answer to biblical questions, it is about the heart.

Here is a preview:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

**********

I did not see:

Blessed are the ones who answer Danno's idiotic questions
for they shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven!!!

Nor I saw:

Blessed are the ones who KEEP THE LAW
for they shall be saved by their deeds/legalism.

Nope DANNO, the Bible proves you wrong!!!

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1386 Aug 4, 2012
Crazy Baptist wrote:
<quoted text>
I strongly disagree.
Jesus being God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
If faith is the substance of things not seen and Jesus the Co-Creator of all that is (in other words He has seen everything) then what would Jesus need to have faith in?
Some bible:
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
If you answer "Jesus had faith the Father would raise Him from the dead" then what do you do with verses like this:
John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
AND
John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
Jesus is God. Omnipresent and all knowing. To claim He has faith, we would be forced to redefine the word faith from the definition the bible gives.
Blessings, CB
Just like Danno you are wrong too!

Here is the proof in form of a question:

Did Jesus pray to God father? Yes or Not?

Did he had faith on God Father when he prayed to him?

No need for verses, you are so wrong it is logically obvious!!
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#1387 Aug 4, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Just like Danno you are wrong too!
Here is the proof in form of a question:
Did Jesus pray to God father? Yes or Not?
Did he had faith on God Father when he prayed to him?
No need for verses, you are so wrong it is logically obvious!!
Question: Can you produce even one verse that says Jesus had faith?

Even one?

If not doesn't logic dictate that you might just be wrong and leaning on your own understanding?

CB
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#1388 Aug 4, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you claim that the Kingdom of Heaven is a question and answer game?
You are so wrong it is embarrasing to argue about it!!!!
Let me repeat, the Kingdom of Heaven is not about who knows the answer to biblical questions, it is about the heart.
Here is a preview:
"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
**********
I did not see:
Blessed are the ones who answer Danno's idiotic questions
for they shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven!!!
Nor I saw:
Blessed are the ones who KEEP THE LAW
for they shall be saved by their deeds/legalism.
Nope DANNO, the Bible proves you wrong!!!
Good post.

CB
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#1389 Aug 4, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
CB, You answered correctly that Jesus did not need to have any faith as he KNEW the truth and could see clearly what was going to happen.
The same goes for the 144k as they too will KNOW the truth and it is the words of Jesus (truth) that allows them to see the truth and KNOW what is going to happen and when.
Faith allows one to believe a lie without feeling guilty for failing to search for the truth.
It's also impossible to argue facts with someone who has built their belief on faith.
Faith is the common denominator of ALL man made religions as NONE of them want anyone to know and practice the truth.
What is the truth? You are not engaging in DOUBLE TALK, by the way.
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#1390 Aug 5, 2012
Better stuff wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the truth? You are not engaging in DOUBLE TALK, by the way.
Can you explain how to have faith without belief or belief without faith then?

:)

CB
DANNO

London, UK

#1391 Aug 5, 2012
Crazy Baptist wrote:
Correction: What the RR said was in fact double talk.
The LW hit the nail on the head.
My apologies Dennis.
CB
CrazyB

Did Paul do any DOUBLE Talk in :-

ROM 2: 13 & GAL 3: 11 & ROM 7: 12 & ROM 10: 4 & HEB 8: 10

GAL 2 & ROM 12

HEB 8: 10 & ROM 10: 4

Gal 5: 2-4 & ACTS 16: 3

1st TIM 4: 4-5 & 1st COR 10: 25 & 2nd COR 2: 17

GAL 4: 9-11 & ROM 14: 5 & COL 2: 16

GAL 5: 2-4 & ACTS 21: 26

Is there any Double TALK in the ABOVE??? yes or no or not sure?

Dan

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