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Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#1 Jun 14, 2012
Everybody knows that.
Rockroller

Lake Arrowhead, CA

#2 Jun 14, 2012
Stuff wrote:
Everybody knows that.
Actually, not many Adventists do know this, but more are learning about it every day.
In my church there are many who have left because they found out EGW was a fraud (false prophet) and landed in a Sunday keeping church going full bore worshipping the words of Paul. This is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire folks. Pleast treat Paul's words the same as you treat EGW's words--test them. See John 14:26 and 17:17-22 for the test.
Even Ben Franklin saw that Paul's writings were against the words of Jesus. The reason why people can't see this is because they don't want to see it--same for EGW's followers.
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#3 Jun 14, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Actually, not many Adventists do know this, but more are learning about it every day.
In my church there are many who have left because they found out EGW was a fraud (false prophet) and landed in a Sunday keeping church going full bore worshipping the words of Paul. This is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire folks. Pleast treat Paul's words the same as you treat EGW's words--test them. See John 14:26 and 17:17-22 for the test.
Even Ben Franklin saw that Paul's writings were against the words of Jesus. The reason why people can't see this is because they don't want to see it--same for EGW's followers.
Paul said, "I am not the least bit lesser than the other apostles."

Therefore WE KNOW that he was an honourable man, true and honest, a faithful witness of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.
Rockroller

Lake Arrowhead, CA

#4 Jun 14, 2012
Stuff wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul said, "I am not the least bit lesser than the other apostles."
Therefore WE KNOW that he was an honourable man, true and honest, a faithful witness of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.
Stuff, YES my friend, that was a good one and when I read what Paul wrote here I actually laughed out loud, so loud my fellow bible truth seekers wondered what was so funny.

Kinda reminds me when Nixon said he wasn't a liar. LOL Have you read how many times Paul said the same thing? try it.
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#5 Jun 15, 2012
Stuff wrote:
Everybody knows that.
So true!
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#6 Jun 18, 2012
Stuff wrote:
Everybody knows that.
Best thread.
Rockroller

Lake Arrowhead, CA

#7 Jun 18, 2012
Stuff wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul said, "I am not the least bit lesser than the other apostles."
Therefore WE KNOW that he was an honourable man, true and honest, a faithful witness of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.
Oh? Ever read Gal. 2? Didn't Jesus pray and want unity with His true disciples? Ever hear of them argueing with each other after Jesus gave them the Holy Spirit? Jesus said He wanted them to be ONE with the Father just as He was One with the Father.

So tell me about Gal. 2? Huh? Were is this unity and 'love' and ONENESS? Huh?

And why did ALL of those in Asia who Paul had established earlier, reject Paul?(2Tim 1:15) Huh? Where is the unity there?
Dennis

Yucaipa, CA

#8 Jun 18, 2012
The SDA church is the precursor of the Kingdom of Heaven on earth today, and it is so sad that as RR mentioned many have left the SDA church because of EGW. But this need not be the case if you understand that like the prophecy in Matt. 25:1-13 the prophecy in Rev. 2:19-23 identify who the Kingdom of Heaven is by the activity and the prophetess that are associated with that Kingdom.

In Matt.25:1-13 the Kingdom if identified as being 10 Bridesmaids that discovered from prophecy that Jesus was coming, and went out on the road to wait for Him. When He delayed His coming because NO ONE was ready (neither the Bridesmaids nor the world) they all fell asleep.

The second is the woman that identified herself as a prophetess that LEADS THE BONDSERVANTS OF JESUS ASTRAY. Where are those bondservants located? In the Kingdom of Heaven.

So don't give up the SDA church because of a false prophetess. Just because some believe in her doesn't mean that you can't be in the SDA church and NOT believe in her.

All we really need is what Jesus told Sardis (Rev.3) to return to, and that is their first love, which is keeping the Commandments of God, and holding to the testimony of Jesus (Rev.12:17). After all, the founders of our church began with those concepts before EGW appeared on the scene, and now we have the opportunity to return to those same concepts as we approach the sealing of the 144,000.

Just a reminder: Jesus NEVER authorized an end time prophet other that Daniel and John, because none were needed. All that we need has been given to us in their prophecies and in the prophecies of Jesus Christ. WE CAN understand them if we will open our hearts and minds to the TRUE Holy Spirit that leads us to the truth through the words and teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus NEVER (no matter how you search you can't find evidence of this) said that His Holy Spirit would lead us into the truth using the words of ANYONE else, including Paul and EGW.

(Excellent thread)

Think on these things.
rockfish

Dallas, TX

#9 Jun 19, 2012
I'm afraid we'll have to sue

j/k
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#12 Jun 19, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Oh? Ever read Gal. 2? Didn't Jesus pray and want unity with His true disciples? Ever hear of them argueing with each other after Jesus gave them the Holy Spirit? Jesus said He wanted them to be ONE with the Father just as He was One with the Father.
So tell me about Gal. 2? Huh? Were is this unity and 'love' and ONENESS? Huh?
And why did ALL of those in Asia who Paul had established earlier, reject Paul?(2Tim 1:15) Huh? Where is the unity there?
YOUR arguments cannot hold water, being as they are leaky cauldrons of Potter soup. There one may find the sleigh of hand, the underhand, the foot in mouth and the head in sand. How do you ever drink such strange concoctions and not be bedeviled by a churning of the stomach is a mystery!

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#13 Jun 19, 2012
Dennis wrote:
The SDA church is the precursor of the Kingdom of Heaven on earth today, and it is so sad that as RR mentioned many have left the SDA church because of EGW. But this need not be the case if you understand that like the prophecy in Matt. 25:1-13 the prophecy in Rev. 2:19-23 identify who the Kingdom of Heaven is by the activity and the prophetess that are associated with that Kingdom.

In Matt.25:1-13 the Kingdom if identified as being 10 Bridesmaids that discovered from prophecy that Jesus was coming, and went out on the road to wait for Him. When He delayed His coming because NO ONE was ready (neither the Bridesmaids nor the world) they all fell asleep.

The second is the woman that identified herself as a prophetess that LEADS THE BONDSERVANTS OF JESUS ASTRAY. Where are those bondservants located? In the Kingdom of Heaven.

So don't give up the SDA church because of a false prophetess. Just because some believe in her doesn't mean that you can't be in the SDA church and NOT believe in her.

All we really need is what Jesus told Sardis (Rev.3) to return to, and that is their first love, which is keeping the Commandments of God, and holding to the testimony of Jesus (Rev.12:17). After all, the founders of our church began with those concepts before EGW appeared on the scene, and now we have the opportunity to return to those same concepts as we approach the sealing of the 144,000.

Just a reminder: Jesus NEVER authorized an end time prophet other that Daniel and John, because none were needed. All that we need has been given to us in their prophecies and in the prophecies of Jesus Christ. WE CAN understand them if we will open our hearts and minds to the TRUE Holy Spirit that leads us to the truth through the words and teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus NEVER (no matter how you search you can't find evidence of this) said that His Holy Spirit would lead us into the truth using the words of ANYONE else, including Paul and EGW.

(Excellent thread)

Think on these things.
More foolish Babylonian confusion, aka, fence sitting. You're better off giving up Adventism all together.

You forgot to mention that 5 of the virgins were wise.
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#14 Jun 19, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
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More foolish Babylonian confusion, aka, fence sitting. You're better off giving up Adventism all together.
You forgot to mention that 5 of the virgins were wise.
And you forgot to mention that Ellen White was foolish.
Dennis

Yucaipa, CA

#15 Jun 19, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
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More foolish Babylonian confusion, aka, fence sitting. You're better off giving up Adventism all together.
You forgot to mention that 5 of the virgins were wise.
That is not the point. The point is that ALL were asleep WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM CAME. This will be exactly the same with the SDA church. When the Master comes to the Faithful and Wise Bondservant (Matt. 24:45-51) and his fellow servants the 10 Bridesmaids ARE sound asleep. This means they don't understand the time in which they are living and believe that Jesus could come at any time, and they don't realize WHO THEY ARE. They think that they are just like (and they want to be just like) every other church in the world. ONLY the F & W Bondservant and His fellow servants, the 144,000, know differently, which is why the Master comes and seals them first.

Based on this WHY ON EARTH WOULD I WANT TO LEAVE THE SDA CHURCH?
Rockroller

Lake Arrowhead, CA

#16 Jun 19, 2012
Stuff wrote:
<quoted text>
YOUR arguments cannot hold water, being as they are leaky cauldrons of Potter soup. There one may find the sleigh of hand, the underhand, the foot in mouth and the head in sand. How do you ever drink such strange concoctions and not be bedeviled by a churning of the stomach is a mystery!
Your "stuff" is showing....Now go and prove what you wrote instead of running off of the mouth so to speak. If you can prove that the true disciples argued and faught, then do it, don't just stand there with your 'stuff' showing,
Rockroller

Lake Arrowhead, CA

#17 Jun 19, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
<quoted text>
More foolish Babylonian confusion, aka, fence sitting. You're better off giving up Adventism all together.
You forgot to mention that 5 of the virgins were wise.
Let's hear it from ONE of those sleeping virgins! Talk about sleeping off the drunkness from the wine given out by EGW! None is so blind then those who think they can see but refuse to open their eyes. For them the expression "EYES WIDE SHUT" is true.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#18 Jun 19, 2012
Lysimachus,

I appreciate your message and it makes very sad that you have been deceived. In EGW day there were a number of critics in the church. D.M. Canright being one of the prominent critics. But Dr. Kellogg and others at Battle Creek questioned many of her doctrinal and health messages in the church.

Throughout the SDA church history the General Conference has been challenged by their own scholars and researchers into EGW writings. This all goes back to the very first because of the inconsistancies of EGW stand on the 1843 time line that William Miller changed to October 22, 1844. EGW stated that the Lord told her that the 1843 time line was not to be changed. The "shut door" belief of EGW was another concept challenged by William Miller and others.

At the General Conference meeting in 1919 where The Great Controversy was reported on and discussed there was general agreement that EGW had copied much of what was written from other sources
as was Sketches from the Life of Paul. Then what Des Ford questioned about the Investigative Judgement and Walter Rea and plagiarism by EGW. Then in the General Conference study of Desire of Ages in 1990.

Throughout the history of the SDA movement the leadership in the church knew and questioned the validity of EGW. If EGW was taken away, the SDA doctrines would collapse. Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah Witnesses came out in this same time period. All are cults along with SDA.

Truth is not what EGW followers wish to hear. It is sad that so many do not wish to accept the EGW critics and what is proof of her deception.
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#20 Jun 19, 2012
Stuff wrote:
Everybody knows that.
Excellent point!
Rockroller

Lake Arrowhead, CA

#21 Jun 19, 2012
DANNO wrote:
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EGW was more than foolish! She has committed the Unpardonable sin. IMHO The Holy Spirit must have told her to stop her nonsense several times but she did not take any notice!
Dan
Dan, we know that she was warned but refused to repent as found in Rev. 2:19-25. In another thread, Lysi wrote that the original doctrines of the Adventists were all from EGW such as the IJ, the Mark of the Beast and the state of the dead, but my research showed that the true original doctrines did not include the IJ, the Mark of the Beast, even the Sabbath, or the State of the Dead. The TRUE ORIGINAL doctrines were believing in the Ten commandments AND the words of Jesus. They actually shunned much of Paul's words as did many during that time period. In fact, they shunned the thought of having a corporate leadership believing it would simply lead them to become another 'Catholic'like organization without God being their true leader, teacher and father as Jesus said in Matthew 23:8-10.

You can't find where the original group argued over doctrines or had a specific leader and teacher, as each one of them was diligently studying on their own. But they all agreed, for the most part, that keeping the covenant and abiding in the words of Jesus was the key to salvation. EGW did not play a part until AFTER the 1844 dissappointment. When she said she had visions from God (allegedly) and said "Thus sayeth the Lord", it ended, for the most part, all of the individual study that had previously been the main stay of this small group.

And yes, she was warned by many about her false teachings and visions but she never did repent and was sick all of her life as we see in Rev. 2:19-25.

EGW is now long gone but her teachings are still causing those who would become bond servants for Jesus, to be deceived into believing that Jesus could come at any time.
Dennis

Yucaipa, CA

#22 Jun 19, 2012
Danno,
A fool believes that they are right BY FAITH. EGW did not write what she did BY FAITH. A being masquerading as an angel of God gave her the information. At some point God said that she KNEW that what she was doing was wrong, but she continued to do it anyway, and claim it was the Holy Spirit speaking to her. She did this with malice-of-forethought, which IS the unpardonable sin.
Lay Worker

Jerilderie, Australia

#23 Jun 19, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Dan, we know that she was warned but refused to repent as found in Rev. 2:19-25. In another thread, Lysi wrote that the original doctrines of the Adventists were all from EGW such as the IJ, the Mark of the Beast and the state of the dead, but my research showed that the true original doctrines did not include the IJ, the Mark of the Beast, even the Sabbath, or the State of the Dead. The TRUE ORIGINAL doctrines were believing in the Ten commandments AND the words of Jesus. They actually shunned much of Paul's words as did many during that time period. In fact, they shunned the thought of having a corporate leadership believing it would simply lead them to become another 'Catholic'like organization without God being their true leader, teacher and father as Jesus said in Matthew 23:8-10.
You can't find where the original group argued over doctrines or had a specific leader and teacher, as each one of them was diligently studying on their own. But they all agreed, for the most part, that keeping the covenant and abiding in the words of Jesus was the key to salvation. EGW did not play a part until AFTER the 1844 dissappointment. When she said she had visions from God (allegedly) and said "Thus sayeth the Lord", it ended, for the most part, all of the individual study that had previously been the main stay of this small group.
And yes, she was warned by many about her false teachings and visions but she never did repent and was sick all of her life as we see in Rev. 2:19-25.
EGW is now long gone but her teachings are still causing those who would become bond servants for Jesus, to be deceived into believing that Jesus could come at any time.
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