How many books did Ellen White really write?

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Lauri

Port Elgin, Canada

#1 Jul 18, 2009
Ellen White wrote and published many books, but not as many as some would like to think.

December 20, 1845 Ellen Harmon (before she was married) wrote a letter to Bro. Jacobs. In this letter she describes the first vision God gave her. This letter was published in ‘The Day Star’ January 24, 1846. It was reprinted later that year in the ‘Broadside” April 6, 1846. These 2 printings agree word for word. This same vision was again reprinted in the ‘Review & Herald July 21, 1851, but changes already appear at this early date. Editors took the liberty to remove portions of the vision at their own discretion. This revised version of her first vision was again reprinted in the book ‘Early Writings’(1882 edition) pages 13-20. The book ‘Early writings was complied by editors from Ellen White’s writings, she did not compile this book herself.

An example of a portion the editors felt a need to remove:

It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again & go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another,

She continued to write articles for ‘The Day Star’,‘The Broadside’‘The Present Truth’ and ‘The Review and Herald’(It was from these articles, along with the books that she herself wrote in entirety and had published, that editors complied books for the church publishing houses to sell. She did not have any control over how they used her writings.

In 1855 Ellen White started writing THE TESTIMONIES FOR THE CHURCH. She started in 1855 and continued to write testimonies No. 1 through to No. 30, which she finished in 1881, the year her husband died. Interspersed through these 30 years she also wrote the original Great Controversy and the Spirit of Prophecy 4 volumes, these she had published herself. The books are detailed below.

1858 was the year of Ellen White’s first PUBLISHED BOOK it was called the GREAT CONTROVERSY BETWEEN CHRIST AND HIS ANGELS AND SATAN AND HIS ANGELS. This book was published by her husband James White. It is only 219 pages and tells the events from the war in heaven to the coming new kingdom. The SDA church no longer publishes this book in it’s original form.

She next felt impressed of God to expand on this work and started to write the 4 volume set of the ‘SPIRIT OF PROPHECY’. These books were published by ‘Steam Press’.

Vol. 1 THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY – THE GREAT CONTROVERSY BETWEEN CHRIST AND HIS ANGELS AND SATAN AND HIS ANGELS

Vol. 2 THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY – THE GREAT CONTROVERSY BETWEEN CHRIST AND SATAN – LIFE, TEACHINGS AND MIRACLES OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST

Vol. 3 THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY – THE GREAT CONTROVERSY BETWEEN CHRIST AND SATAN – THE DEATH, RESURRECTION AND ASCENSION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST

Vol. 4 THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY – THE GREAT CONTROVERSY BETWEEN CHRIST AND SATAN – FROM THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM TO THE END OF THE CONTROVERSY

The church publishing houses discontinued the original Testimonies for the Church, the 1858 Great Controversy and the Spirit of Prophecy 4 volume set while she was still alive and instead compiled their own books from her writings and kept all the profits. Soon after her husband died in 1881 they started their work against her.
Lauri

Port Elgin, Canada

#2 Jul 18, 2009
I have spent a lot of time in SDA churches and no one every told me these books existed. Since this discovery I have only found a few people in the church who are aware of these original books. Most long time members have no knowledge that they even exist.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#3 Jul 18, 2009
Lauri wrote:
I have spent a lot of time in SDA churches and no one every told me these books existed. Since this discovery I have only found a few people in the church who are aware of these original books. Most long time members have no knowledge that they even exist.
When you say long time members have no knowledge that they even existed ... does/did this include Walter Rae and others who have researched extensively her life and writings?

:-)
Elizabeth

Adelaide, Australia

#5 Jul 18, 2009
no wonder she came 'downunder' to get 5 min peace. We like the odd trouble maker they fit in well lol.
djconklin

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Jul 18, 2009
>instead compiled their own books from her writings

List those books.
djconklin

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Jul 18, 2009
>When you say long time members have no knowledge that they even existed

Did they have their heads in the sand?

>... does/did this include Walter Rae and others who have researched extensively her life and writings?

Rea's book is only useful if you actually look at the original sources -- and when you do that you'll want to throw the book through the window! Look at how he manipulated and distorted the evidence here:

http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/index...
Lauri

Port Elgin, Canada

#8 Jul 18, 2009
CINDERS wrote:
<quoted text>
When you say long time members have no knowledge that they even existed ... does/did this include Walter Rae and others who have researched extensively her life and writings?
:-)
Hi Cinders, I do not know who Walter Rae is. I was speaking about people I have personally met through the conference where I live. In the church I used to attend there was only one older couple who knew of these books.

I used to wonder where is this Spirit of Prophecy book that is referred to, no one knew.
Lauri

Port Elgin, Canada

#9 Jul 18, 2009
djconklin wrote:
>instead compiled their own books from her writings
List those books.
Spiritual Gifts Book 1 is a reprint of the 1858 Great Controversy.

Spiritual Gifts Book 2 & 3 has material from the Spirit of Prophecy Books.

Spritual Gifts Book 4 (second part) is a reprint of her first testimonies for the Church No. 1 - 10.

Originally these first 10 Testimonies for the Church were printed in individual pamphlets. The Testimonies continued to be printed individually and numbered as follows:
No. 1, No. 2,…. No. 11, No. 12, No. 13 etc. up to No. 30. These were all published by ‘Steam Press’

These were later complied into Testimonies for the Church Volume 1 through to Volume 9 and were published by Pacific Press. There is far more material in these 9 volumes than existed in the original Testimonies No. 1-30, the additional material was taken from other publications and personal letters. Some material was taken in it’s entirety others just a portion of an article she had written was used. The is much true material in these books, but the source of the information compiled must be searched out and proved and taken in context.

If you look at the publishing dates you will see that many books were published after she went to Australia, and while she was out of the country they did what they would with her work. You an also see from the dates that some compilations took place after her death and there is no way she could have had any say in how they complied her writings.

The Conflict of Ages series was complied by others. As an example:

The Spirit of Prophecy Vol. 4 written in 1884 published by ‘Steam Press” and had 506 pages. In 1888 this book was re-created in North America and turned into just simply ‘The Great Controversy’ and had an additional 172 pages of writing and a total page count of 719 with appendix and index. This 1888 and 1911 edition book has inserted into it quotes from other author's books. And this book also contains falsehoods that were never in the original SOP vol.4. Check out the bottom page 628, it says the plagues are not universal. Ellen white never wrote this. Take a look at page 359 text from a book written by Joseph Wolf has been inserted and it is full of falsehood.

I cannot believe that Ellen White would have consented to having these lies become apart of her writtings. There is no material from other authors in the Spirit of Prophecy volimes. And as far as I can tell the SOP vol 1-4 agree with scripture.
djconklin

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jul 18, 2009
>Spiritual Gifts Book 1 is a reprint of the 1858 Great Controversy.

Other way around. SG could hardly be a "reprint" of an earlier book when it(SG) came out in 1858. Great Controversy is an expansion of SG vol. 1.

The fact that different printers printed a book isn't relevant.

>In 1888 this book was re-created in North America and turned into just simply ‘The Great Controversy’

No, Ellen White expanded on what she had earlier written. Then when W. W. Prescott wrote to EGW's son about "problems" he felt he saw in GC it was then edited and re-printed into the current edition--all with the blessing of EGW.

>You an also see from the dates that some compilations took place after her death and there is no way she could have had any say in how they complied her writings.

It is true that _AFTER_ Ellen G. White died that compilations were made. However, that is a very long way from proving that the editors "did what they wanted" with her works. Secondly, just because a book was published after her death doesn't mean that Ellen G. White didn't write it; the prime example is Acts of the Appostles.

I am well aware of how EGW's books were compiled from her earlier writings. She has even commented on it and how Marian Davis was her "bookmaker" (not Fannie Bolton).

>This 1888 and 1911 edition book has inserted into it quotes from other author's books.

And the point would be? Since EGW wrote the first and the second was edited under her approval, there's really no beef here. Secondly, one of the sources that was used was the biography of William Miller by Sylvester Bliss (which James White also quoted from--Rea uses examples of this in his book as "proof" of plagiarism, when it obviously was not).

>And this book also contains falsehoods that were never in the original SOP vol.4.

Where's the proof?

>Check out the bottom page 628, it says the plagues are not universal. Ellen white never wrote this.

Ellen G. White DID most certainly write GC--whoever told you otherwise LIED through their teeth!

Arthur White has written about GC and how it was created, etc.:
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/4sop-supp.h...
djconklin

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Jul 18, 2009
>The Conflict of Ages series was complied by others.

ROFL!!! What a lie! I've been studying DA and we KNOW it was written by Ellen G. White. We have some, but not all, of the original manuscripts in her handwriting. You were lied to, big time.
djconklin

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Jul 18, 2009
How was the Desire of Ages written?

See http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/issues/DA-...
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http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/issues/DA-...

Note a blow by blow account in her diary as to her working on writing the book: Exhibits 1-69, 72-90.

Exhibit 70 shows a xerox copy of a manuscript from which the bok was written.
Kevin from Georgia

Lawrenceville, GA

#13 Jul 18, 2009
Lauri wrote:
I have spent a lot of time in SDA churches and no one every told me these books existed. Since this discovery I have only found a few people in the church who are aware of these original books. Most long time members have no knowledge that they even exist.
Not surprising as sadly many in the church are not given any informatioin on EGW, her life, her minsitry, etc. Better education is needed.
Kevin from Georgia

Lawrenceville, GA

#14 Jul 18, 2009
CINDERS wrote:
<quoted text>
When you say long time members have no knowledge that they even existed ... does/did this include Walter Rae and others who have researched extensively her life and writings?
:-)
Walter Rae had an incorrect and unbiblical view of how inspiration works. He felt anything a prophet wrote or spoke had to be completely original and we he discovered that EGW borrowed, it was all it took for him to renounce her.
Kevin from Georgia

Lawrenceville, GA

#15 Jul 18, 2009
Lauri wrote:
<quoted text>
Spiritual Gifts Book 1 is a reprint of the 1858 Great Controversy.
Spiritual Gifts Book 2 & 3 has material from the Spirit of Prophecy Books.
Spritual Gifts Book 4 (second part) is a reprint of her first testimonies for the Church No. 1 - 10.
Originally these first 10 Testimonies for the Church were printed in individual pamphlets. The Testimonies continued to be printed individually and numbered as follows:
No. 1, No. 2,…. No. 11, No. 12, No. 13 etc. up to No. 30. These were all published by ‘Steam Press’
These were later complied into Testimonies for the Church Volume 1 through to Volume 9 and were published by Pacific Press. There is far more material in these 9 volumes than existed in the original Testimonies No. 1-30, the additional material was taken from other publications and personal letters. Some material was taken in it’s entirety others just a portion of an article she had written was used. The is much true material in these books, but the source of the information compiled must be searched out and proved and taken in context.
If you look at the publishing dates you will see that many books were published after she went to Australia, and while she was out of the country they did what they would with her work. You an also see from the dates that some compilations took place after her death and there is no way she could have had any say in how they complied her writings.
The Conflict of Ages series was complied by others. As an example:
The Spirit of Prophecy Vol. 4 written in 1884 published by ‘Steam Press” and had 506 pages. In 1888 this book was re-created in North America and turned into just simply ‘The Great Controversy’ and had an additional 172 pages of writing and a total page count of 719 with appendix and index. This 1888 and 1911 edition book has inserted into it quotes from other author's books. And this book also contains falsehoods that were never in the original SOP vol.4. Check out the bottom page 628, it says the plagues are not universal. Ellen white never wrote this. Take a look at page 359 text from a book written by Joseph Wolf has been inserted and it is full of falsehood.
I cannot believe that Ellen White would have consented to having these lies become apart of her writtings. There is no material from other authors in the Spirit of Prophecy volimes. And as far as I can tell the SOP vol 1-4 agree with scripture.
EGW did review the manuscipts before publication. As to the "not universal" phrase I think we might misread the meaning. I believe "not universal" to mean it didn't fall upon all men, or indeed, all would be wholly cut off. Before 1888 and 1911 editions went to press she did go over the manuscipts and approved of the. And don't think any unauthorized tampering was done.

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#16 Jul 18, 2009
djconklin wrote:
How was the Desire of Ages written?
See http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/issues/DA-...
---
http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/issues/DA-...
Note a blow by blow account in her diary as to her working on writing the book: Exhibits 1-69, 72-90.
Exhibit 70 shows a xerox copy of a manuscript from which the bok was written.
Thanks for the source!

To bad that people are more concerned about volume then the call to come out of the babylon of SUNday keeping mens traditions.
Lauri

Port Elgin, Canada

#17 Jul 18, 2009
In October 1883 Ellen White wrote in a Review and Herald article that she expected to be betrayed by professed friends.

The work committed to me forty years ago I must carry forward as long as life shall last. I will not shun to declare the whole counsel of God. Unpleasant as it may be, I must warn, reprove, rebuke, as God bids me, whether the carnal heart will accept or reject the words of warning. For forty years, Satan has made the most determined efforts to cut off this testimony from the church; but it has continued from year to year to warn the erring, to unmask the deceiver, to encourage the desponding. My trust is in God. I have learned not to be surprised at opposition in any form or from almost any source. I expect to be betrayed, as was my Master, by professed friends.{RH, October 16, 1883 par. 17}

In the Review and Herald November 27, 1883 (page 5 & 6) the following was reported by the editors:

Anniversary Meeting. GENERAL CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS.(Concluded.)

— The Committee on Resolutions presented the following for the consideration of the Conference:—

FOURTEENTH AND FIFTEENTH MEETINGS, Nov. 20.—

The Committee on Resolutions then presented the following:—

32. Whereas, Some of the bound volumes of the “Testimonies to the Church” are out of print, so that full sets cannot be obtained at the Office; and —

Whereas, There is a constant and urgent call for the re-printing of these volumes; herefore —

Resolved, That we recommend their re-publication in such a form as to make four volumes of seven or eight hundred pages each.

33. Whereas, Many of these testimonies were written under the most unfavorable circumstances, the writer being too heavily pressed with anxiety and labor to devote
critical thought to the grammatical perfection of the writings, and they were printed in such haste as to allow these imperfections to pass uncorrected ; and —

Whereas, We believe the light given by God to his servants is by the enlightenment of the mind, thus imparting the thoughts, and not (except in rare cases) the very words in which the ideas should be expressed : therefore —

Resolved, That in the re-publication of these volumes such verbal changes be made as to remove the above named imperfections, as far as possible, without in any measure changing the thought ; and, further —

34. Resolved, That this body appoint a committee of five to take charge of the re-publication of these volumes according to the above preambles and resolutions.

35. Resolved, That we hereby express our thanks to the various railroads, especially the Michigan Central and Grand Trunk, for favors extended to the delegates to this
meeting; and also to the papers of this city for the publication of reports.

36. Resolved, That we hereby express our appreciation of the kindness of the Battle Creek Church in entertaining those from abroad during the progress of the Bible-
reading Institute find the General Conference.

The above were considered separately and adopted.

The committee of five to take charge of the re-publication of the testimonies provided for in the thirty-fourth resolution was announced as follows, the Chair having been empowered to select four persons besides himself for this purpose :
W. C. White, Uriah Smith, J. H. Waggoner, S. N. Haskell, Geo. 1. Butler.
djconklin

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Jul 18, 2009
Lauri,

Who told you "The Conflict of Ages series was complied by others"?
djconklin

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Jul 18, 2009
>35. Resolved, That we hereby express our thanks to the various railroads, especially the Michigan Central and Grand Trunk, for favors extended to the delegates to this meeting; and also to the papers of this city for the publication of reports.

So, now we can blame the railroads and the local media?
Lauri

Tiverton, Canada

#20 Jul 18, 2009
djconklin wrote:
>35. Resolved, That we hereby express our thanks to the various railroads, especially the Michigan Central and Grand Trunk, for favors extended to the delegates to this meeting; and also to the papers of this city for the publication of reports.
So, now we can blame the railroads and the local media?
The numbered resolution printed in the Review & Herald were not all on the same subject. I did not remove point 35 regarding their deciding to thank the Rail Road, only to keep the rest of the text in context. Point 35 has nothing to do with points 33 and 34.

Points 33 and 34 are the resolutions to appoint a committee of 5 men to change Ellen white's testimonies for the Church. At the bottom of it all the committee members are named.
Lauri

Tiverton, Canada

#21 Jul 18, 2009
I belive Ellen White to be a true messenger of God. I believe her visions and messages are true.

Others can choose not to, that is their right.

But for those of you who would be in agreement, would you not also agree that God would only give her TRUTH to give to the people?

And if this is so, anything she personally wrote as a message from God would agree with Bible truth.

When I find material in her writtings that blantantly disagrees with scripture, the only conclusion I can come to is that she did not write it.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying these compiled books are untrue, on the contrary, they are filled with much truth. But things have been removed, changed or added to.

I have compared the 1884 Great Controversy and the revised 1911 great Controversy, there are differences between the 2 books.

Don't take my word for it, compare it for yourself and come to your own conclusion. Just look at the table of contents and you will see a difference.

You can read the 1884 Great Controversy on the White Estate web site under the title of SPIRIT OF PROPHECY Vol. IV

http://egwtext.whiteestate.org/

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