The 4th Commandment is a Covenant wit...
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#245 Nov 21, 2012
Jersey wrote:
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That's fine if you want to believe that, but when I read Romans 14:5-6 I think that includes the Sabbath. I believe Romans 13:9-10 puts it best, LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW!!
GE:

Yes; Jesus Christ’s, is "LOVE THE FULFILMENT OF THE LAW" ---not your or my or anyone's 'love'.‘The Law of Love’ is the one Law no one can ever,‘fulfil’. We just don’t have, the capability or capacity of that "love" that "is the Fulfilment of the Law”. Only God who Himself "is Love", has the capability and capacity of that "love" that "is the Fulfilment of the Law”.

Now Romans 14/15 least of all deals with that ‘Love’; it deals with man’s LACK of that ‘Love’. Nor does Romans 14/15 deal with any issue concerning the Sabbath.

Let us restrict ourselves to what Romans 14/15 actually is about, and that is men's SPITE, that will not tolerate another person may also mean well or do well.‘Good’ is reserved for the ‘good’.
No; everyone in Romans 14/15 reckoned God's Kingdom was "food and drink" that makes him look better than his neighbour. Life is a feast – prepared to my recipe or it’s not for the Lord.

"Food and drink" - that is, a superiority-complex of exclusivity and distinction - is what Romans 14/15 is all about; You're not good enough to the Lord's judgment; I am.

Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath. Forget with how much or how little or no ‘love’ anyone may ‘fulfil the Law’. It is even further off the topic of Romans 14/15.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#246 Nov 21, 2012
‘Good’ is reserved for the ‘good’ or rather, 'better'.
DANNO

Watford, UK

#247 Nov 21, 2012
Jersey wrote:
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You seem to know what you're talking about so I will ask you this question. Why did God specify in Exodus 20:8 ...."even the alien within your gates."? My understanding is that if the alien was outside the gates he wouldn't have to keep the Sabbath. Why specify this if the Sabbath is for everyone?
Jer
It is a pleasure to answer your question! Those that REFUSE to answer Spiritual questions are of the DEVIL!!
My understanding on Exo 20: 8 means all your staff /servants WITHIN your household or land should be gieven the DAY off work on Saturday not just the Landowner & his family!
There are MANY SDA's & Jews who observe the Holy 4th commandment but have STAFF working for them on SABBATH! They are HYPOCRITES!

Dan
Jersey

Palatka, FL

#248 Nov 21, 2012
DANNO wrote:
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Jer
Thanx for your post and question.
In Gal 4: 9-11 & Rom 14: 5 the fake apostle Paul is encouraging Christians to dump ONE Commandment of GOD! His mission was to decieve Christians! Jesus said NOT ONE iota or word should be removed from his Fathers Commandmenst! Paul will WIN many souls for satan! Jesus propfcied this will happen! Matt 22: 14
Paul the false Apostle! REV 2: 2
The prayers and worship by Christians who have DUMPED the Holy 4th commandment are NOT HEARD by God/Jesus!!! John 9: 31 & Prov 28: 9 & Deut 11: 26-28 & Matt 24: vrs 4 & vrs 24
Those that have dumped the Holy 4th commandment are listening to satas's voice!! John 10: 11-26 & REV 14: 12 tells you only the SHEEP of the LAMB obey Jesus Voice!!
Matt 7: 21-23 & Matt 15: 8-9 & Matt 5: 19-20 will be fulfilled!!
Dan
The servant of YAHWEH God and xposer of FAKE Christians Psalams 94: 16
You give a lot of scripture here, but since you mention John 9:31 I want to address this. You use what the Pharisees say in this verse to claim that God doesn't listen to sinners, if you keep reading that chapter you will see Jesus went to the used to be blind man & gave him a chance to accept him. So I believe God listens to all of us, it is us that don't listen to him. Also Proverbs 28:9 shows me that if you turn from him your prayers are detestable or an abomination. To say God doesn't listen to sinners is a stretch. To say he doesn't listen to those who turn from him knowing he is the truth, that might be more in line & even at that point if you repent he will forgive you. I'm no scholar so don't go off calling me a liar or a devil child, I'm just sharing my thoughts here. I love & believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior!
DANNO

Watford, UK

#249 Nov 21, 2012
Jersey wrote:
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You give a lot of scripture here, but since you mention John 9:31 I want to address this. You use what the Pharisees say in this verse to claim that God doesn't listen to sinners, if you keep reading that chapter you will see Jesus went to the used to be blind man & gave him a chance to accept him. So I believe God listens to all of us, it is us that don't listen to him. Also Proverbs 28:9 shows me that if you turn from him your prayers are detestable or an abomination. To say God doesn't listen to sinners is a stretch. To say he doesn't listen to those who turn from him knowing he is the truth, that might be more in line & even at that point if you repent he will forgive you. I'm no scholar so don't go off calling me a liar or a devil child, I'm just sharing my thoughts here. I love & believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior!
Jer

Re: John 9: 31

Those who claim to be the sheep of the Lamb and REJECT just ONE of the 10 Commandments are committing sin AGIANST GOD and the HOLY Spirit! There's NO evidence that the Blind man REJECTED the Law of GOD.

I have no reason to call you a liar as I dont know your beliefs or if you REJECT the Holy 4th commandment?

Do you agree with DEUT 11: 26-28?? I do.

God cannot forgive sin that has NOT been repented by Adults.Liars cannot be saved! Spiritual LIARS cannot be saved. Decieved Christians cannot be saved.

Dan
Jersey

Ooltewah, TN

#250 Nov 21, 2012
DANNO wrote:
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Jer
Re: John 9: 31
Those who claim to be the sheep of the Lamb and REJECT just ONE of the 10 Commandments are committing sin AGIANST GOD and the HOLY Spirit! There's NO evidence that the Blind man REJECTED the Law of GOD.
I have no reason to call you a liar as I dont know your beliefs or if you REJECT the Holy 4th commandment?
Do you agree with DEUT 11: 26-28?? I do.
God cannot forgive sin that has NOT been repented by Adults.Liars cannot be saved! Spiritual LIARS cannot be saved. Decieved Christians cannot be saved.
Dan
God forgives all sin except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit & if someone even mildly feels remorse & wants to repent then he has yet committed this sin & can repent & God will forgive them. Just my thoughts. As for Deut. 11:26-28 I believe it is true, but it is spoken to Israel, if its for us, where do you take your burnt offerings? Deut. 13 talks about killing your wife & children if they don't believe in the God you believe in. The OT also talks about death to those who break the Sabbath. Should we do that today also? This is where we pick & choose which part of the OT we want to believe & that's scary. We do have a new covenant & it's Love fulfills the law. This I know you understand. According to Deut. 13:6-11 we should go & kill everyone who tries to get us to worship another god. Should we do that?

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#251 Nov 21, 2012
jimo wrote:
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You still don't get it do you ?!?!
Au contrare! He is one of the FEW who does get it!!
Robert Two

Australia

#252 Nov 21, 2012
Jersey wrote:
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You seem to know what you're talking about so I will ask you this question. Why did God specify in Exodus 20:8 ...."even the alien within your gates."? My understanding is that if the alien was outside the gates he wouldn't have to keep the Sabbath. Why specify this if the Sabbath is for everyone?
The issue of WORK in regard to earning a living is not to be done by anyone on your property. Strangers are not advancing your cause outside your property.
Your are not to dictate terms or compell people to OBEY GOD.
Robert Two

Australia

#253 Nov 21, 2012
Jersey wrote:
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So can you explain to me what Romans 14 is referring to? I've heard you explain your belief & I'm a strong believer that everything in the Word has an explanation. One extra question for you is do you accept the Clear word bible the SDA's have put out? The reason I ask this is because they changed a bunch of scripture just to get you to believe in a lot of their teachings including the Sabbath.
ROMANS 14.
Here is the case where we must understad GOD forces no one to OBEY.This is by free will a LOVE thing.
If ye LOVE ME keep my commandments.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#254 Nov 21, 2012
Minister Robert Lee wrote:
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Go keep it then,,,,and accept the punishment of death if you ever disobey.......Also if you break any ONE of the 10, even tell a lie aginst your neighbor or lust after a married women you see on the street, be prepared to get stoned to death.......If you accept the LAW you must also accept the PUNISHMENT of the law.......
No one on here believes it is not still wrong to murder or lie or covet or commit adultery, etc, they have just read the Bible and learned that they are FREE from the law of sin and death now......
This is the age of the SPIRIT and the new covenant....Our Sabbath is not restricted to 1 particular day of the week or a set of rules with a death sentence.....We worship GOD in spirit and in truth, not according to a set of Jewish rituals......Jesus said to "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" when the woman wsas caught in adultery,,,,the LAW said to stone her to death....Jesus said you can commit adultery in your HEART, without even having physical sex, in other words... Do you REALLY believe you can obey to the letter the law of Moses???
And have you been "born again' as Jesus said to do in John 3, or are you perfect enough to be justified by the LAW alone???
Mr. Lee, it is wonderful to hear you speak truth!!
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#255 Nov 21, 2012
Minister Robert Lee wrote:
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Go keep it then,,,,and accept the punishment of death if you ever disobey.......Also if you break any ONE of the 10, even tell a lie aginst your neighbor or lust after a married women you see on the street, be prepared to get stoned to death.......If you accept the LAW you must also accept the PUNISHMENT of the law.......
No one on here believes it is not still wrong to murder or lie or covet or commit adultery, etc, they have just read the Bible and learned that they are FREE from the law of sin and death now......
This is the age of the SPIRIT and the new covenant....Our Sabbath is not restricted to 1 particular day of the week or a set of rules with a death sentence.....We worship GOD in spirit and in truth, not according to a set of Jewish rituals......Jesus said to "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" when the woman wsas caught in adultery,,,,the LAW said to stone her to death....Jesus said you can commit adultery in your HEART, without even having physical sex, in other words... Do you REALLY believe you can obey to the letter the law of Moses???
And have you been "born again' as Jesus said to do in John 3, or are you perfect enough to be justified by the LAW alone???
Acts 5:1-11

"Ye shall SURELY die!"
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#256 Nov 21, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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Acts 5:1-11
"Ye shall SURELY die!"
What on earth do these scripture say in regards to the Law
being condemning?
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#257 Nov 21, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
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What on earth do these scripture say in regards to the Law
being condemning?
Acts 5:1-11 says, "Ye shall SURELY die!"

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#258 Nov 21, 2012
jimo wrote:
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Yes run from the sda truth ,into what ? Worshiping false gods , worhiping on the day of the sun , or we could do it on monday , the day of the moon.
You would have a point except that Adventism is NOT truth! SO many things taught there are untrue. Wake up and open your eyes!!
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#259 Nov 21, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
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Acts 5:1-11 says, "Ye shall SURELY die!"
Nobody has any idea what you are talking about.....

explain your teaching of Act 5
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#260 Nov 21, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
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Nobody has any idea what you are talking about.....
explain your teaching of Act 5
Nobody?:)

Acts 5:1-11 says, "Ye shall SURELY die!"
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#261 Nov 21, 2012
The conscience of the LAWLESS ones is dying, slowly but surely, dying.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#262 Nov 21, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
The conscience of the LAWLESS ones is dying, slowly but surely, dying.
what color is the sky in your world ?
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#263 Nov 21, 2012
now, again,

what are you teaching by Act 5
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#264 Nov 21, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
now, again,
what are you teaching by Act 5
STILL calling God a liar I see.

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