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Robert Two

Australia

#1 Dec 10, 2012
The issue is CHRIST is the sON being FAMILY then treated as if GOD.
But that is the limit.
Because if you claim JESUS is GOD you either do away with THE FATHER or you have to have three gods.
Then you have to admit MARY is the mother of GOD.
Then where do you go from there?
The BIBLE says ONE GOD AND NO OTHER.
This is not a 3 in one god but yes a family of three.
To stumble and write.
GOD the FATHER,
GOD the SON
GOD the HOLY GHOST

Is catholic if you see it in SDA material bail out !!!!!
Pioneer

Mesa, AZ

#2 Dec 10, 2012
OLD MAN GET SOME WHO CAN SEE LOOK THESE UP FOR YOU/ If they can read get them to read it for you!

GET back to the thread about the central doctrine of the LITTLE HORN
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P17.H ...
http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-02 ....
do the comparisons
note the borrowing of the concepts and language
all from the LITTLE HORN and the Laodiceans lerv to have it so!

You have denied the truth for so long it is very possible that the Holy Spirit may HE if possible reach you but with your stubborn arrogance so sure you have all the truth, you may have rejected him for the last time.

May the God's who created heaven and earth help you help you.
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#3 Dec 10, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
OLD MAN GET SOME WHO CAN SEE LOOK THESE UP FOR YOU/ If they can read get them to read it for you!
GET back to the thread about the central doctrine of the LITTLE HORN
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P17.H ...
http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-02 ....
do the comparisons
note the borrowing of the concepts and language
all from the LITTLE HORN and the Laodiceans lerv to have it so!
You have denied the truth for so long it is very possible that the Holy Spirit may HE if possible reach you but with your stubborn arrogance so sure you have all the truth, you may have rejected him for the last time.
May the God's who created heaven and earth help you help you.
Accept the GOD of ABRAHAM.

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#4 Dec 10, 2012
The Holy Bible "doesn't" teach ....

The Holy Ghost = Mary

Please provide the chapter and verse.

bibleuniverse
Pioneer

Mesa, AZ

#5 Dec 10, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
Accept the GOD of ABRAHAM.
You have NO Bible for what you believe still have not proven it for over 4 years now GIVE it UP!

You say the Holy Spirit is a woman in the Bible but all through the Bible he is called He, Him. RT you cannot prove it.

Jesus says he is the HS.

You do not believe in the God of Abraham Prove what you believe that your god is the God of ABRAHAM give the texts from Abraham.

Show where it says the Holy Spirit is a woman everyone is waiting.

Your a Blasphemer!
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#6 Dec 10, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
The issue is CHRIST is the sON being FAMILY then treated as if GOD.
But that is the limit.
Because if you claim JESUS is GOD you either do away with THE FATHER or you have to have three gods.
Then you have to admit MARY is the mother of GOD.
Then where do you go from there?
The BIBLE says ONE GOD AND NO OTHER.
This is not a 3 in one god but yes a family of three.
To stumble and write.
GOD the FATHER,
GOD the SON
GOD the HOLY GHOST
Is catholic if you see it in SDA material bail out !!!!!
Where did I say the HOLY SPIRIT was the MOTHER ?

So ypou people are ON SOMETHING LOL>
Robert Two

Adelaide, Australia

#7 Dec 10, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>
You have NO Bible for what you believe still have not proven it for over 4 years now GIVE it UP!
You say the Holy Spirit is a woman in the Bible but all through the Bible he is called He, Him. RT you cannot prove it.
Jesus says he is the HS.
You do not believe in the God of Abraham Prove what you believe that your god is the God of ABRAHAM give the texts from Abraham.
Show where it says the Holy Spirit is a woman everyone is waiting.
Your a Blasphemer!
I am waiting to see where I said the HOLY SPIRIT is a woman too
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#8 Dec 10, 2012
R2 is in denial mode - pathetic really ---- when previously R2 gushing over Rocky Bullwinkles FAMILY idea and previously insisted the mother was the Holy Spirit.

R2 is completely out of depth as usual on this subject
Robert Two

Australia

#9 Dec 10, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
R2 is in denial mode - pathetic really ---- when previously R2 gushing over Rocky Bullwinkles FAMILY idea and previously insisted the mother was the Holy Spirit.
R2 is completely out of depth as usual on this subject
Santa Cluas is watching you !
and everything you say and do.
Pioneer

Phoenix, AZ

#10 Dec 10, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
I am waiting to see where I said the HOLY SPIRIT is a woman too
oh don't worry I will find it, because I just found the one RockRoller said it and you agreed with him.

In the mean time you did say this.

A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
<quoted text>
I see no proof of the trinity in the OP. You show evidence that indeed there were more than one Person in the Old Testament, but no evidence whatsoever that there were three.
It is only in the New Testament that we see three Persons in the Godhead; which is exactly what has been pointed out throughout this thread: two Persons in before the incarnation, three Persons after the incarnation.
OKAY
MORE THAN ONE
LET US make man in OUR image.
The SPIRIT move on the face of the waters.
Unto US a SON is born.
More than ONE.
TRINITY is LATIN leave the word alone.

| A Voice In The Wilderness
Vineland, NJ
#149
Feb 15, 2011

robert two wrote:
<quoted text> OKAY
MORE THAN ONE
LET US make man in OUR image.
The SPIRIT move on the face of the waters.
Unto US a SON is born.
More than ONE.
TRINITY is LATIN leave the word alone.
There is a difference between the Spirit of God and the Holy Spirit friend. It all deals with the incarnation.
Terrilyn here...robert your wrong as ever just cannot get a hold of the truth can you? The Catechism says they are IN BRIEF # 262 “The Incarnation of God’s Son reveals that God is the eternal Father and that the Son is consubstantial with the Father, which means that, in the Father and with the Father , the Son is one and the Same God.”
You see Robert the Catechism does not try to separate them in the Godhead at all, like you state above falsely. They say One God clearly like you have all along.
The Catechism says #253

“The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “Consubstantial Trinity” This is not what ALF people believe this is what Robert believes.

Catechism # 254 “The divine persons are really distinct from one another...THEY ARE DISTINCT FROM ONE ANOTHER IN THEIR RELATIONS OF ORIGIN: It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten and the Holy Spirit who proceeds.” 88 The divine Unity is Triune.”

THIS IS NOT BIBLE AND NOT WHAT THE ALF BELIEVE. But it is what Robert has said he believes in.

Catechism #266 “ Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son’s is another, the Holy Spirit’s another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal”(Athanasian Creed; Ds 75; ND 16)
{Coeternal 27 Fundamental Beliefs pg.23}

Catechism #430 “It is God who, in Jesus his eternal Son”
SDA 27 Fundamental Beliefs page 36
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#11 Dec 10, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
Santa Cluas is watching you !
and everything you say and do.
Now R2 insists in Santa

what next!
Pioneer

Phoenix, AZ

#12 Dec 11, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
I am waiting to see where I said the HOLY SPIRIT is a woman too
Rt,
Saying what you say about the family you are entirely unqualified and a Blasphemer. EGW call the Holy Spirit He.

rt calling the Holy Spirit ssying the woman in the family of the Godhead. The Word of God says the Holy Spirit is a He even boofheads don't make that mistake.

ROBERT TWO wrote:
They are called HE because of POWER yet angels are called SHE.
The fact known is they are NEITER.
As all humans will be in the KINGDOM.
Not worth fighting over.

robert two wrote:
<quoted text> Not siding with Terrilyn.
But a BIBLE way of looking at things in the present
Yes people can be destroyed in the church and become the living DEAD..
That has happened in every age.
But the ALF have something’s right but a number of things off balance completely.
Like head counting JOHN 1:1. We all know the two in THEE WORD & GOD.
I do wonder if this is satanic as it opposes the BIBLE in One GOD and no OTHER.
WHY does robert two speak out of both sides of his mouth...First he says..."Like head counting JOHN 1:1. We all know the two in THEE WORD & GOD." Which clearly he is admitting in his confused state that their are TWO obviously because that is what the Bible clearly reveals when one uses all of the Bible not just parts that one can twist to support his one god belief (and that of the Jews who rejected Christ and the Muslims, the Mormons and every other non Christian church such as the RCC.)

Then robert two the confused codger said..."I do wonder if this is satanic as it opposes the BIBLE in One GOD and no OTHER." Then he switches

First he says there are obviously TWO as in John 1:1 then he says the Bible says there is ONE...HUMMMM The Bible is clear There were two in the beginning John 1:1, not three! not One! There are three now but not in the beginning the third was He who emptied Himself and came in the form of man.
Robert Two

Australia

#13 Dec 11, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Now R2 insists in Santa
what next!
And FANTA LOL
No point here .
Robert Two

Australia

#14 Dec 11, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>
Rt,
Saying what you say about the family you are entirely unqualified and a Blasphemer. EGW call the Holy Spirit He.
rt calling the Holy Spirit ssying the woman in the family of the Godhead. The Word of God says the Holy Spirit is a He even boofheads don't make that mistake.
ROBERT TWO wrote:
They are called HE because of POWER yet angels are called SHE.
The fact known is they are NEITER.
As all humans will be in the KINGDOM.
Not worth fighting over.
robert two wrote:
<quoted text> Not siding with Terrilyn.
But a BIBLE way of looking at things in the present
Yes people can be destroyed in the church and become the living DEAD..
That has happened in every age.
But the ALF have something’s right but a number of things off balance completely.
Like head counting JOHN 1:1. We all know the two in THEE WORD & GOD.
I do wonder if this is satanic as it opposes the BIBLE in One GOD and no OTHER.
WHY does robert two speak out of both sides of his mouth...First he says..."Like head counting JOHN 1:1. We all know the two in THEE WORD & GOD." Which clearly he is admitting in his confused state that their are TWO obviously because that is what the Bible clearly reveals when one uses all of the Bible not just parts that one can twist to support his one god belief (and that of the Jews who rejected Christ and the Muslims, the Mormons and every other non Christian church such as the RCC.)
Then robert two the confused codger said..."I do wonder if this is satanic as it opposes the BIBLE in One GOD and no OTHER." Then he switches
First he says there are obviously TWO as in John 1:1 then he says the Bible says there is ONE...HUMMMM The Bible is clear There were two in the beginning John 1:1, not three! not One! There are three now but not in the beginning the third was He who emptied Himself and came in the form of man.
Out of CONBTEXT.
Bearing false witness is a sin.
Pioneer

United States

#15 Dec 11, 2012
Robert Two wrote:
<quoted text>
I am waiting to see where I said the HOLY SPIRIT is a woman too
RT, how convenient when your old you can use senility as an excuse.
Blackberry

Brampton, Canada

#16 Dec 11, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>
Rt,
Saying what you say about the family you are entirely unqualified and a Blasphemer. EGW call the Holy Spirit He.
rt calling the Holy Spirit ssying the woman in the family of the Godhead. The Word of God says the Holy Spirit is a He even boofheads don't make that mistake.
ROBERT TWO wrote:
They are called HE because of POWER yet angels are called SHE.
The fact known is they are NEITER.
As all humans will be in the KINGDOM.
Not worth fighting over.
robert two wrote:
<quoted text> Not siding with Terrilyn.
But a BIBLE way of looking at things in the present
Yes people can be destroyed in the church and become the living DEAD..
That has happened in every age.
But the ALF have something’s right but a number of things off balance completely.
Like head counting JOHN 1:1. We all know the two in THEE WORD & GOD.
I do wonder if this is satanic as it opposes the BIBLE in One GOD and no OTHER.
WHY does robert two speak out of both sides of his mouth...First he says..."Like head counting JOHN 1:1. We all know the two in THEE WORD & GOD." Which clearly he is admitting in his confused state that their are TWO obviously because that is what the Bible clearly reveals when one uses all of the Bible not just parts that one can twist to support his one god belief (and that of the Jews who rejected Christ and the Muslims, the Mormons and every other non Christian church such as the RCC.)
Then robert two the confused codger said..."I do wonder if this is satanic as it opposes the BIBLE in One GOD and no OTHER." Then he switches
First he says there are obviously TWO as in John 1:1 then he says the Bible says there is ONE...HUMMMM The Bible is clear There were two in the beginning John 1:1, not three! not One! There are three now but not in the beginning the third was He who emptied Himself and came in the form of man.
No comparative quotes or a smidge of evidence from the Poisoneer

- nothing - just more useless hillbilly theology.

Try harder
Pioneer

United States

#17 Dec 11, 2012
Blackberry wrote:
<quoted text>
No comparative quotes or a smidge of evidence from the Poisoneer
- nothing - just more useless hillbilly theology.
Try harder
Your speaking of serious issues concerning the denigration of He who was the Word, who was also God (John 1:1). After His revelation into time (Bethlehem) all the subsequent texts are true. The monogenes Theos (uniquely begotten God - decreed to be a Son (Ps2:7, Rom 1:3,4); He being in the form of God, emptied Himself of that Identity to take on the form of a slave (sinful flesh).

Many anti-Trinitarians miss the emphasis of His eternal Divinity as also Jehovah. Your One God emphasis is no different to what the JW’s teach!His Incarnation [after] Bethlehem throws the discussion into another realm of reality concerning the revelation of the Godhead. He who was The Word,(John 1:1) who, became flesh (1:14) was also eternally God, as God, was God. We worship Christ because He was also God.( Known also as “My Fellow”- Zech 13).

There is no internal evidence from the Scriptures which say He was ‘begotten’ in eternity inferring He is a lesser Being or a lesser God; nor evidence prior to Bethlehem which identifies Him as an “Eternal Son” begotten in eternity. Gabriel explains that problem (Luke 1:35).

What you thought the Bible taught is couched in an ambiguos understanding centered *after* the Incarnation and not what it cost the Identities of the Creator's and who They were prior. Before Bethlehem, He was also God and Elohim! That is WHY He is LORD also of the Sabbath!(Mark 2:22). There were Two from Eternity.

You will need to carefully observe (Heb 1:5) in your musings why Paul lifted that comparison with (2Sam 7:14). It is noted - Paul describes the Godhead from the point of time he was writing and the revelation of the Son of Man!(1Cor 8:6 etc) Jesus Himself could only describe His Identity as He was in His High Priestly Prayer (John 17:3).

The revelation of the Godhead since Bethlehem and the prior sundering of the Divine powers in the redemption of man are two different matters: God was manifest in the flesh – not a Son, but God. It is as Paul said without controversy Great is the mystery of Godliness,,,God was manifest in the flesh.(1 Tim 3:16). Your appreciation and application of the Godhead is from Bethlehem and not prior and the internal evidence does not say part of the Father was manifest in the flesh either! It comes down to worship, true worship - Do you truly want to worship the True God’s who created Heaven and Earth or something of a figment of men’s (Arian) imaginings?(Jer 10:11)

Trinitarians try to advance the argument from the angle of the Holy Spirit. That cannot be done and nor can the argument arise that the Holy Spirit is not a Person either. He, the Holy Spirit is His “Alter Ego”. Jesus said, not you or Layworker, that He would send “another” Comforter –(another - means ‘one equal to but distinct from’(John 14:16). Jesus said “He” would come and not leave His people orphans. It’s up to you whether you LHC will remain subject to “strong delusions” and believe a lie!

It has not been revealed what happened when He who was The Word EMPTIED His own Identity as God; however, pictured in symbolism in the NT is a very close relationship of the Holy Spirit with the Lamb and in God’s wisdom the curtain is drawn from prying and peeping eyes of stupid, stupid, irreverent men!
Robert Two

Australia

#18 Dec 11, 2012
Pioneer wrote:
<quoted text>
RT, how convenient when your old you can use senility as an excuse.
BIBLE TEXT
GOD said it is not you thet HATE but ME.
Take great care PIONEER.
Pioneer

United States

#19 Dec 11, 2012
Should we blindly accept the worship the monotheistic Trinitarian Godhead the central teaching of Roman Catholicism when she is a seducer of many false rungs of the Ladder of salvation viz Sunday Sacredness; the blasphemous Mass; The Eucharist; The Tridentine Gospel; the Immaculate Conception, Immortality of the soul etc all of which is the worship of the enemy of righteousness – the devil?

Should we accept a Latin Vulgate gloss: reframing the intent that the Three agree in one but allege is One!

Catholicism’s concepts are interwoven into Adventist ecumenical nomenclature? See 27 Fundamental #2;

Observe from the old and the new Hymnal and compare Hymn #73 Holy Holy Holy and consider the change and new language endorsed

Are we as a people of God fully informed of the Second Angel’s warning?

Is this verily a reason the Three Angel’s Messages are “repeated to the Church”?

The Niceno-Constantipolitan or Nicene Creed draws its great authority from the fact that it stems from the first two ecumenical councils (in AD 325 and 381). It remains common to all the great Churches of both East and West to this day”

Why are you ADVENTIST ENTIRELY IGNORANT OF THESE FACTS?

YOU ADVENTIST HAVE BEEN DECEIVED WITH CATHOLIC DOGMA.

The lack of distinction between truth and error does affect a genuine "Christian experience” Jesus warned in Matthew chapter 24. Distinctly, in His people there is NO GUILE! The smallest measure of poison though extremely small, yet disguised yet very potent – and deception held as truth, deceives.

“three god’s are one” concept, all agree it is difficult to understand.

It is Rome herself who claims responsibility for the defining and originality of the Trinitarian concept and insists “is the object of faith only.”

“In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop its own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin:“substance,”“person” or “hypostasis,”“relation,” and so on. In doing this, she did not submit the faith to human wisdom, but gave a new and unprecedented meaning to these terms, which from then on would be used to signify an ineffable mystery,“infinitely beyond all that we can humanly understand.”
"My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge."
Pioneer

United States

#20 Dec 11, 2012
Are you thick or what?

Those were historical facts, dummy the reason you do not know what the enemy was up to while you were in school is because you were learning under those who were teaching you New Theology, and they did not want you to know what the Little Horn was up to!

So you missed out on knowing what our four fathers were well aware of, and EGW said not to be blind of the little horns ways and means.

Adventist was asked what does 1+1 = and what does 1+1+1=?

SO ADVENTIST PROVES HE CANNOT ADD MUCH LESS ANSWER THE SIMPLEST OF QUESTIONS

TWO OF WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MANS LOGIC

BUT THE GREAT GOD'S OF HEAVEN THE MATHAMATICAL NUMBERER'S.

THEY DO NOT DECEIVE WITH NUMBERS. BUT THE DEVIL CERTAINLY DOESDECEIVE AND USES EVERY MEANS POSSIBLE AND...

OH FOOLISH ADVENTIST!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED AND BOUGHT A LIE. THE LIE OF THE DRAGON THE SUN GOD OF SUNDAY WORSHIHP AND THE FALSE god'.

If anyone is witnessing the problem with ADVENTIST,

they will notice the time it took for him to get back with an answer to what is 1+1= and what 1+1+1=...

Let me help the poor baby with the answers ...

1+1= 2

and

1+1+1= 3

no way do they add up to ONE!!!!!!!!!!

the great deceiver's gotcha ADVENTIST I FEEL FOR YOU!

Should we blindly accept the worship the monotheistic Trinitarian Godhead the central teaching of Roman Catholicism when she is a seducer of many false rungs of the Ladder of salvation viz Sunday Sacredness; the blasphemous Mass; The Eucharist; The Tridentine Gospel; the Immaculate Conception, Immortality of the soul etc all of which is the worship of the enemy of righteousness – the devil?

Should we accept a Latin Vulgate gloss: reframing the intent that the Three agree in one but allege is One!

Catholicism’s concepts are interwoven into Adventist ecumenical nomenclature? See 27 Fundamental #2;

Observe from the old and the new Hymnal and compare Hymn #73 Holy Holy Holy and consider the change and new language endorsed

Are we as a people of God fully informed of the Second Angel’s warning?

Is this verily a reason the Three Angel’s Messages are “repeated to the Church”?

The Niceno-Constantipolitan or Nicene Creed draws its great authority from the fact that it stems from the first two ecumenical councils (in AD 325 and 381). It remains common to all the great Churches of both East and West to this day”

Why are you ADVENTIST ENTIRELY IGNORANT OF THESE FACTS?

YOU ADVENTIST HAVE BEEN DECEIVED WITH CATHOLIC DOGMA.

The lack of distinction between truth and error does affect a genuine "Christian experience” Jesus warned in Matthew chapter 24. Distinctly, in His people there is NO GUILE! The smallest measure of poison though extremely small, yet disguised yet very potent – and deception held as truth, deceives.

“three god’s are one” concept, all agree it is difficult to understand.

It is Rome herself who claims responsibility for the defining and originality of the Trinitarian concept and insists “is the object of faith only.”

“In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop its own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin:“substance,”“person” or “hypostasis,”“relation,” and so on. In doing this, she did not submit the faith to human wisdom, but gave a new and unprecedented meaning to these terms, which from then on would be used to signify an ineffable mystery,“infinitely beyond all that we can humanly understand.”
"My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge."

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