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#1 Jul 14, 2009
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At last count three hundred and twelve (312) ex-scientologists have spoken out against the activities of the "church" of scientology. This number continues to grow.

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Aaron Gottfried, Canadian. book : "The psychiatrist who cured the scientologist", video interview
Aida Thomas-Mexico -Spanish Class VIII Auditor, left after 20 years
Alan Walter-left after 20 years,quote from Time 1993
Alain Stoffen-France (book and lots of TV)
AlexM- 3 years in, one year on staff, 9 months in Berlin, 2 and a half months in San Francisco, German TV ZDF and XenuTv interviews
Allen Stanfield. In for 16 years, out for 9, his blog
Amy Allen-ex Sea Org, her story
Amy Scobee- Joined at age 14. In over 20 years as manager at the church's international base in California. Built the network of Scientology Celebrity Centres[ Sp Times
Anke Dievenkorn- staff,CLEAR, left after 10 years-her story
Anne Marie Dunning -ex-EO/HCO Executive Secretary, Church of Scientology Buffalo-her story
Andre Tabayoyon-ex Sea Org, many positions, RPF, left after 22 years,Affidavit
Annie Rosenblum-Sea Org, RPF, her testimony
Antoine Young -exscientologist ,wants to hear from his daughter Ashley Brooke Young, who disconnected from him, his plea
Arnaud Berthemet-video
Arnie Lerma-joined Sea Org at 16 years old. His Anti Sci Website
Ariane Jackson -attained highest available level, OT8. Left after 17 years , her story
Astra Woodcraft- ex Sea Org-exscientologkids.com
Astrid von Rönn-more than 20 years, ethics officer,Truth About Scientology in German
Attila Sonkoly - Ex -SO left after 17 yrs
Aude-Claire Malton (France, plaintiff in May 25, 2009 trial)her story

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Barbara Kaye- Hubbard's girlfriend while he was married,TV Interview Secret Lives of L. Ron Hubbard
Barbara Zizic-dentist,sued Scientolgy
Bent Corydon-the former head of the Riverside mission, Former scientologist of 20 years and
Author of "L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman
Bernard Green-Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Bill Franks -Former international executive director of the Church of Scientology
Bill Zizic- dentist-sued Scientology
Bob Geary Akron Beacon
Bob Penny
Bonnie Woods
Birgitta Dagnell Harrington
Brendan Moore
Brian Canup
Bruce Perkins
Bryon Kingsley Eckert
Bud Lee-Interview Scientology The Now Religion

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#2 Jul 14, 2009
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Carmel Underwood - C/S, Power FSM, ED and active Scn'ist in Sydney '80-'98. "Left" Scn in '08, her story
Carol Garrity- eft after 5 years, Affidavit
Caroline Letkeman -left after 24 years,Affidavit
Casey Kelly-Scientology's finances and recruitment at Flag,spoke at 1982 Clearwater Hearings, vid #1, vid #2
Catarina Sandstrom Pamnell- Sea Org,DPF her website
Carolyn Schofield- lost TWO daughters under COS care! her story
Caspar de Rijk- former founder and director of Scientology Netherlands, Mutiny A Dutch Scientology OrginizationCatarina Sandström Pamnell
Charlotte Kates-ex Sea Org, her story
Cheryl Sola -left after 13 years, her story
Chip Gallo
Chris Lyman
Christopher Reeve- actor, his story, deceased
Claire Headly
Claire Swazey
Creed Pearson -left after 26 years, victim of disconnection, his story
Chuck Beatty - left after 27 years, ASI computer Operations Office, his story Helps others now,1-866-XSEAORG
Cynthia Kisser -Former Executive Director of the Cult Awareness Network,her story
Cyril Vosper -Fleft after 14 years,former senior officer scientologist, author of The Mind Benders - Scientology, interview, his story and interview

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Dallas Hill, born into Scn, ex-Sea Org 98-99 Snr HCO CCInt; 99-02 Snr HCO Int, his story
Dan Garvin -25 years in the Sea Org, 10 years in OSA
Daniel Fumagalli - 1984 to 1989, Zürich, Copenhagen, LA, Commodore's Messenger Org
David Cook - OTVII, left after nin yearsInterview
Darren May, public and staff. left after 10 years
David Palter-class IV auditor Toronto
David Graham-ex-Sea Org member
David John Carter - ex-Sea Org member
David Mayo
Dean Wentling, left after 14 years, his story
Debra Barnes- OT VIIInterview
Dede Reisdorf-Panorama Video
Dee Rowe. through Sterling Managenent, her and husband held against her will, testimony
Dennis Erlich -Former high-ranking scientologist,Sea Org, RPF, left after 15 years, exerpts from his story
Diana Conova
Dodie Geary- held for 2 weeks
Don Larson
Doreen Gillham-ex-commodore messenger,Panarama Video
Dorothy Geary-held against her will, scammed bySterling Management, Akron Journal Interview
Douglas Henry Moon-"]Board of Inquiry Into Scientology
Dr. Donna Shannon

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Elena Peshevska, staff at Skopje Mission, Macedonia from 2000-2008, Course Supervisor and Treasury Secretary, left after 8 years.
Ed Hattaway- Chiropractor-1992-1995
Edward Walters
Enrico Costantini-1991-2003 Italy, Testomy in Italian
Eric Dumas De Laroque-video

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Felicia Tyber-mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972
Frank Gerbode, Dr.-1977-1981,former head of the Palo Alto mission
Franklin Freedman
Frank Notaro-assault and imprisonment, excerpt from Madman Or Messiah
Frank Oliver
Frank Watson, Canada,The Fifth Estate TV Report

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#3 Jul 14, 2009
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Gaby Hubeny-left after 12 years
Gary Watkins-Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Gary Weber - ex-member of the Guardian Office
Garry L Scarff aka Smurf aka Xenusmurf (YouTube)
Gene Allard
Gerald Tyber-mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972
Gerhard Förster
Gerry Armstrong-Hubbard's Household Manager, RPF and RPF's RPF, testimony
Giacomo Sotgia
Gloria Neumeyer OTVII declared SP, Interview with the Herald
Glover Rowe-D. M. D.,Dentist joined through Sterling Management, him and wife held against their will, testimony
Grace Aaron- missing son who disconnected
Greg Barnes- OTVII Interview
Greg Marlowe, 1975-1978, Affidavit
Gregg Hagglund, story
Gregory H Williams- OTIV,Scn contributor for 29 years,Flag Trained Supervisor,ianetics Auditor, ESMB
Gunther Träger-a member for more than 20 years

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Håkan Järvå Swedish ex OTIII,Left after 14 years,TV,papers,works as a pysch
Hana Eltringham Whitfield-left after 20 years-Ship's Captain, Deputy Captain, Commodore's Staff Aide, Deputy Commodore of Hubbard's Three Ships, and part of GO
Hank Levin,editor of "The Free Spirit" magazine, deceased
Helen O'Brien- Cos Exec, wrote, Dianetics In Limbo
Homer Schomer -Treasury Secretary of ASI
Homer Wilson Smith-freezoner

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Ildiko Bajnoczi Former scientologist, reached OT 8
Isabelle Berts-video
Isabel Hsin-Yu Chang

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Jack Horner- Interview Scientology The Now Religion
James Anderson, left after 25 years,Ex AOSH ANZO DIR I+R / MAA, Auditor, Patron of IAS, declared , ESMB
Jane Scott
Janice Hayward -sued the Church of Scientology
Janie Peterson -former member of the Guardian Office
Jason Beghe-actor, spoke in Germany,story and vids
Jeanette Schweitzer
Jean-Jacques Greneron- story
Jean-Luc Barbier
Jean-Paul Dubreuil, wrote book,'Les Coulisses de la Scientologie'
Jeff Dubron-Panorama Video
Jeff Hawkins-in for 35 years -top level- Int. Base Hemet
Jenna Miscavige -ex Sear Org nice of David Miscavige-Exscientologykids.com ,Numerous Interviews
Jennifer Gorman -raped by top Scientologist supervisor- story
Jerry Tannenbaum-Interview Scientology The Now religion
Jerry Whitfield- his story
Jesse Prince-highest ranking officer in Scientology's Sea Org, witness in Lisa McPherson trial
Jim Beebe - worked for the old CAN after leaving - deceased, Interview
Jim Dimcalci - Hubbard's Medical Officer
Joe Harrington- deceased
John Cullison
John Duignan- Sea Org 20 years Wrote The Complex
John McLean
John McMaster- FIRST CLEAR, Interview Scientology The Now Religion
John Peeler ("BTs2Free") Former high ranking scientologist
Jon Atack-left after 9 years,NOTs, Cl II, wrote A Piece of Blue Sky
Joyce Stephenson
Juan Esteban Cordero- filed case against COS for "progressive mental conditioning''. He spent more than $167,000 on Scientology-related courses.
Julie Christofferson Titchbourne -sued the Church and Hubbard for 43-million

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#4 Jul 14, 2009
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Karen [Schless] Pressley - left after 16 years, 9 years as staff member. Author of a book titled Escaping Scientology.
Kathryn Smith
Karen Wolff-(also Karen Mitchell and Oram) Exscientologykids.com
Karsten J. Lorenzen
Kelly Wasserman, ESMB
Ken Aaron-missing son that disconnected
Ken Rose
Ken Urquhart, publically listed as a freezone auditor
Kendra Wiseman- ex Sea Org member-excientologykids.com
Kenny Wasserman - sued COS and won
Kevin Creech- some time on staff, mostly public-in for 29 years, left in 2004
Kevin Mackey-left after 26 years, OT VII, IAS Patron, Cornerstones. Ex staff
Kima Douglas
Kim Baker

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Larry Brennan -Watch Dog Committee- Bloghis story and vids
Larry Wollersheim -left after 11 years, sued Scientology
Laura DeCrescenzo
Laurel Sullivan- left after 15 years
La Venda Van Schaick -left after 9 years
Lawrence Woodcraft- ex Sea Org member-interview and Freewinds Asbestos Declaration
Lee Reynolds- staff secretarty treasury
Lloyd Greenburg-class 6 trained, old OTVII, deceased
Lorna Levett
Louise Cook
Ludis Birss-Panorama video

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Mac Stevens-Letter To Fellow Scientologists
Madeleine Genesse, Canada (TV interview) deceased
Magne Berge -Norwegian Sued the Church of Scientology and won
Marc Headley
Margery Wakefield-left after 12 years. Authored four books, Affidavit
Margo Zumbrich-mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972
Maria Pia Gardini -OT VIII, Class 9 AuditorInterview
Marion Evoy- former Canadian head of Scientology's Guardian Office, testified in court against Scientology in 1992, her story
Mark Owen Plummer- Former Sea Org executive, left scientology after 14 years-his story
Martha Greene Creech- some time on staff, mostly public-in for 29 years, left in 2004
Martine Boublil ? brother was in, was she?
Martin Ruston
Martin Hunt
Martin Ottmann- Sea Org
Martin Samuels
Marty Rathbun- in for over 27 years, top exec- still practicing and auditing, SP Times
Mary Ann Bosnos- her story
Mary Tabayoyon-Member of the Sea Organisation for 21 years
Mary Johnston -sued the Church of Scientology, settled out of court ,her story
Mary L McKinnon- Staff,New York Org, ASHO and Boston Org between 1968-'78?.

Maureen Bolstad
Melissa Miller
Michael Pattison-OT8 scientologist, left after 24 years, his story
Mick Wenlock-Sea Org, left after 12 years. his story
Mike Argue-musician, in band Chester,OT VII,auditor,staff,Toronto,stor y
Mike DeWolf -pretty sure this is a psuedo name?
Mike Goldstein-,SU/Special Unit or WDC/Watchdog Committee/Hubbard's Finance Controller, his story
Mike Henderson-IAS Patron (donated at least $40,000 reached OT 8, left after 34 years, his story, also has vids on YouTube
Michael Leonard Tilse-Sea Org, left after 27 years, his story
Mike Rinder-CO OSA Int
Mike McClaughry- ex RTC, GO, OSA ,his story
Miss Sieber
Moira Hutchison-SeaOrg East Grinstead, RPF,kidnapped her story
Molly Hutchinson- her story
Mona Vasquez- France (wrote books and Tv appearances)
Monica Pignotti-ex Sea Org,in six years, Flagship Apollo,RPF, her storyNine Lives in COS
Monica Saxon-Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Morton Morvis-mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972
Mylene Beyer-France-ex-sea org, left after 21 years (french radio interview)

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Nan McLean Nan McLean -Ontario. In the 1970's she was a major target for Scientology Fair Game
Nancy Many- former president of the Celebrity Center and under cover operative for the Guardian’s Office, OSA and RTC, testified in the Lisa McPherson trial in 2002-testimony
Natasha Lobitsch-Sea Org kid , Interview
Neil Clark, Staffer and Sea Org. Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Nelly Reziga (France, plaintiff in May 25, 2009 trial)
Nick Robinson- Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Noel Matarandirotya-his story
Norbert Potthoff-Spokesperson until 1987, Düsseldorf Org

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#5 Jul 14, 2009
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Otto Roos

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Patricia Braine-left after 15 years
Patrick Jost
Patty Pieniadz - left after almost 30 years, her story
Paul Adams-ex Sea Org, 1972-1996 AOSHUK, ITO, aka DumbOldfart, his story
Paul David Schofield
Paul Grosswald
Paul Simmel- his story
Pertti Muhli, story
Perry Scott, story
Pete Griffith, 3 years on staff and 3 years as mission ED in UK, YT channel
Peter Alexander-)TVII left after 20 years, Interview
Peter Devaney Jr.- Sea Org , left in 1982
Peter Forde- ex Sea Org, his story
Peter Gilham - Class VIII, OT VII, was with LRH at La Quinta- KESQ-TV Interview with Nathan Baca
Peter Letterese
Peter Voßmerbäumer
Phillip Bennett Wearne-Board of Inquiry Into Scientology
Phil Scott-quotes
Pierre Ethier-Class XII Auditor. Still practices and audits
Pierre Junqua-video
Pierre Wetzell, French TV Interview

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Raymond Scapillato- France (book)
Renzo Lancia--mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics1972
Reverend Murray Luther Scientology insider, 30 years in
Rhett Westerman
Richard Woods-public, husband of Bonnie Woodssued Scientology
Rich Dunning -ex-Deputy to the Executive Director, Church of Scientology of Buffalo , his story
Rex Basterfield
Richard Ford- Leaving Scientology
Robert Dam
Robert Dardano -former member of the Guardian Office
Robert Geary -Dentist
Robert Kaufman- How I Joined Scientology/Dianetics and Became Superhuman
Robert Vaughn Young-Public Relations Officer, left after 21 years-RPF, RPf's RPF, testimony, deceased
Robert Wallace- 10 months-Staff- TTC- Dallas Org
Roberto Diaz-Argentina, video
Rod Pearson
Roger Boswarva Chaplain London and PES 1967-8, went under cover for the GO 1969-82, Declaredhis story
Ron Glazier
Roger Gonnet
Roland Rashleigh-Berry-left after 5 years
Ron (Hubbard) DeWolfe- Hubbard's son!-Executive Secretary,"Better than 90 percent of what my father has written about himself is untrue." , his story
Ruth Lorenzen- left after 15 years
Roxanne Friend-She was led to believe that Scientology could cure her cancer, her story-deceased
Ruth Lorenzen. her story

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Sabrina Zimmer. Staff from 1994-2001. Declared.
Sara Northrup- Hubbard's second wife, spoke about about being tortured by Hubbard
Scott Mayer Former senior-executive scientologist, left after 12 years -deceased
Scott Yeager-Affidavit
Sean Ostler
Shane Vincent
Sharon Stainforth- her story
Sheila Gentry: 1975-1986, Sea Org @ AOLA, LRH Comm, Ethics Officer, staff member, public
Shiona Fox
Skip Press - now a journalist
Stacy Brooks Young-GO/OSA staffer, left after nearly 15 years, Declaration
Stacey Michelle Wentling- left after 14 yrs, Staff WPB Msn '91-92. Div 6 MM Org '92-95, her story
Steven Fishman, incredible story. Website and wrote The Lonesome Squirrel
Stephen Von Hatten-joned through Applied Scholastics, testimony
Stewart Gadner
Sue Deutscher- her story
Sue Thompson, aka Sue James or Henderson, telex op, left after thirty years, her story
Susan Lentsch ex-staff, disconnected, heartbroken mother
Susan Simmel
Susan Talbot -Class V1 Auditor & C/S, There for 15 years, left because of the forced abortions & abuses.
Susanne Elleby-1988 to 1990, Flag in Clearwater, "missionaire" in Copenhagen
Suzette M. Dearing
Sylvain Bilodeau, Canada (TV interview)
Sylvana Garritano

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#6 Jul 14, 2009
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Tanja Neumann - EX-SeaOrg kid-YouTube: Bori n Into Scientology XENUTV
Tara Hathaway
Ted Mayett
Teresa Summers-her story
Thea Geenberg, class 6 trained old OTVII, deceased
Thomas Henry Sørensen - Guardian's Office,his story OCB
Tim Skog-left after 10 years, former GO/OSA
Tom DeVocht-oversaw the church's spiritual headquarters in Clearwater
Tommy Gorman- ex staff,-story
Tom Padgett -Sea Org, target of fair game practice after he left. Interview
Tom Smith
Tom Voltz -author of Scientology With(out) an End
Tom Weeks- Ex Sea Org
Tonja Burden Former scientologist, spent five years in scientology as a teenager , Affidavit
Tory Christman-left after 30 years-OT VII, EX-SEA ORG, EX OSA, MANY INTERVIEWS -her storyInterviews too numerous to list
Troy Miranda

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Valerie Stansfield-Panorama video
Vernon D. Cain Jr.-story in letter
Vickie Aznaran- left after 15 years
Vickkki Ford-OTVII, left after nine yearsInterview
Vinay Agarwala (SO 1971 -1983 Flagship Apollo, Flag Ft. Harrison, Clearwater
Virginia McClaughry-OTVII,her story
Vivien Krogman - Ex-SeaOrg kid-YouTube Born Into Scientology
Vickey Makey-left after 26 years, OT VII, IAS Patron, Cornerstones. Ex staff

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Wayne Whitney -deceased
Werner Hubeny- left after 12 years
Wilfried Handl-Austria 28 years in, formaly high ranking, wrote a book, a lot of TV, some recitals, quote
William S. Burroughs, American writer-deceased-Burroughs on Scientology

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Yolanda Howell- Sea Org, HEART BREAKING STORY

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Zane Thomas- Sea Org,imprisonment
Zoe Woodcraft- ex Sea Org member-Interview and Affidavit

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#7 Jul 14, 2009
Thanks for taking the time to post the full list wolfy.

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#8 Jul 15, 2009
You're quite welcome.

Additionally, in the original list on the first link provided, most people have an article linked to them. Each and everyone is worth reading.

For example if you look at

"Moira Hutchison-SeaOrg East Grinstead, RPF,kidnapped her story." each section after her name is highlighted and takes you to the relevant information about why she left and what happened to her.
Erica

Bryanston, South Africa

#9 Jul 16, 2009
The above list of names is a tip of the iceberg as many others more than who are listed are not listed.
The longer anyone became wired to the sound of Scientology the more difficult can this unwiring & proper rewiring to better sounds can become as a purpose.
Having been wired into Scientology the monotony of Scientology sounds kept repeating itself.
The repetitive sounds of words such as tech - on purpose - do it for Ron - SP's- get on course - clear the world - wogs - lines etc etc kept circuiting the mind.
Having become unwired from these sounds has been harder than how became wired with these sounds.
Can laugh now but I definitely believe that people leaving Scientology require a deprogramming from their implantation.
A most horrific extract from Hubbard is as follows.
"Somebody some day will say 'this is illegal'.
By then be sure the orgs say what is legal or not."
L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 4 January 1966

This was Hubbard talking about who can disagree with & oppose Scientology & the ill consequences of their actions. The remedy as far as he was concerned was to have Scientology as the rule of law where nobody could disagree & oppose it.
Imagine such horrific nightmare.

Erica

Bryanston, South Africa

#10 Jul 20, 2009
How many 1st time clears has Scientology made.
I recall as far back as 1959 & 1960 clears having been attested.
Then came the big pronouncement in the Durban City Hall of the 1st clear of 1966 in fact the supposed 1st clear in the world the late John Mc Master.
I recall his poem that he wrote on this occasion & always the same tedious gratitude & thanks to Ron.
Later he was declared SP like so many clears OT's & scientologists have been declared SP.
I read a report of his disappointment of Hubbard having thrown people off his boat like walking the plank & called Hubbard FATTY.
Apparently he died disgruntled in England.
Scientology obviously detests the volumes of bad publicity that it itself has made for itself but never takes responsibility for its huge mistakes & huge errors of judgement.
It is obvious how Miscavige was influenced to suffer tantrums & god like delusions having been under the influence of the very late Hubbard.
I cannot understand how such like can be qualified to solve the minds of others when they including Hubbard could not really solve their own mind.

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#11 Jul 20, 2009
what of scientologists who tried to get out and very well might have spoken the truth if their escape had been successful?

Lisa McPherson comes to mind.
Has Jeremy Perkins spoken up yet?

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#12 Jul 21, 2009
I'm not sure a list of people who have left would but not spoken would be really feasible on a forum such as this. I took me almost half an hour to get this list on, avoiding the forums bugs in long posts. This is on 312 names. The people who have left could be in the hundreds of thousands, if the cult has ever had even a fraction of membership it claims to have had over the years.

We know that the CofS admitted(whas it Heber in that interview?) that the massive number it claims is based on everyone who ever took a course or bought a book. So technically, by their own standards, the number of people who have left the cult would be in the millions.

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Jellystone Park

#13 Jul 21, 2009
I understand, yes in the millions.

Finding all the names is unatainable,
like the state of Clear and the state of OT.

Unlike Clear and OT, those millions of unimpressed ex-scientologists really exist.
razor

Skopje, Macedonia

#14 Jul 21, 2009
I finished 2 courses in Scientology and read some books at home and recognized that are all bullshit.this is no application in the real life.
Mike

Surfside, CA

#15 Jul 21, 2009
Scientology is not a dangerous endeavor. I can imagine the size of the list that disgruntled catholics or psychiatrists or even ex-McDonalds employees would be. And I am sure that the number of stories culled would be equally horrifing. Keep "exposing" Scientology, because eventually people will realize that you guys are saying the same old thing. If Germany was unable to "ban" Scientology after a 10 year investigation; if Interpol failed; if the IRS was defeated; if the Russian government failed -- what good will you guys do? Already your numbers are dwindling. You accuse and accuse, at some point people are going to realize the BS that you guys fling. People leave, they come back or stay away. You guys are only helping the Church because your harrassment will only turn the Church into the victim, not the villian.
You say the Church is criminal and can only point to 40 year old convictions. You point to Germany, France and Belgium and say look these countries "see the evil", when these countries also villanize Baptists, Mormons, Budists and even Yoga; and have been roundly criticized by our own State Department for doing so. Stop harrassing Scientology and get on with your own life.

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Jellystone Park

#16 Jul 21, 2009
Mike wrote:
Scientology is not a dangerous endeavor.
You have not been paying attention.
Mike wrote:
I can imagine the size of the list that disgruntled catholics or psychiatrists or even ex-McDonalds employees would be. And I am sure that the number of stories culled would be equally horrifing.
There are other forums for each of those things, and they are being discussed there. Did any of those claim to the "most ethical group on the planet"? None as horrifying.
Mike wrote:

You say the Church is criminal and can only point to 40 year old convictions.
Ongoing for over 50 years. Several cases are in court right now, and are not going the way scientology wants. Why can't scientology "make it go right" ?

“Honorary Squirrel Buster”

Since: Apr 07

Tulsa, OK

#17 Jul 21, 2009
Mike wrote:
Scientology is not a dangerous endeavor.
Really? Prove that.
Mike wrote:
I can imagine the size of the list that disgruntled catholics or psychiatrists or even ex-McDonalds employees would be.
Why are you already retreating in generalities instead of telling us how wonderful Scientology is?
Mike wrote:
And I am sure that the number of stories culled would be equally horrifing.
Yeah, like when Tommy Davis blurts the content of PC folders on television and people just laugh at him. I've never heard of McDonalds, psychiatrists, or the Catholic Church doing that.
Mike wrote:
Keep "exposing" Scientology,
Don't worry, we will. David Miscavige will be gone very soon because his former closest friends have all switched sides. Did you catch the recent SP Times article about it? Its like Time Magazine from the inside.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1012148.e...
Mike wrote:
because eventually people will realize that you guys are saying the same old thing.
Maybe the discourse would change if you had realistic answers to our questions. You never will though, per KSW.
Mike wrote:
If Germany was unable to "ban" Scientology after a 10 year investigation;
They were able, they just didn't consider you important enough.
Mike wrote:
if Interpol failed;
Don't know the details on this one.
Mike wrote:
if the IRS was defeated;
Thats a problem with the Scientology mentality: You only think in terms of brute force. Yes, you 'won,' but not because truth was on your side, but because the IRS was bullied into submission by thousands of lawsuits.
Mike wrote:
if the Russian government failed --
Scientology is banned in Moscow.
Mike wrote:
what good will you guys do?
Its actually mostly past tense now because the world knows we speak the truth. The only court that matters to me is the court of public opinion. You guys are the most hated "religion" in the United States.
Mike wrote:
Already your numbers are dwindling.
No, our numbers reached critical mass and no longer matter as much. Your membership on the other hand, which was already steadily declining, has imploded since Anonymous showed up. Your not even worth mentioning on the Religious Identification Survey any more.

http://livinginliminality.files.wordpress.com...
Mike wrote:
You accuse and accuse, at some point people are going to realize the BS that you guys fling. People leave, they come back or stay away. You guys are only helping the Church because your harrassment will only turn the Church into the victim, not the villian.
Yeah, I'm real sure thats what people were thinking when they watched Tommy Davis harrass John Sweeney.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/play...

You guys cry wolf all the time and no one believes you any more.
Mike wrote:
You say the Church is criminal and can only point to 40 year old convictions.
I could spend days about your cults crimes. Here's a good place for your to start.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...
Mike wrote:
You point to Germany, France and Belgium and say look these countries "see the evil", when these countries also villanize Baptists, Mormons, Budists and even Yoga;and have been roundly criticized by our own State Department for doing so.
Your cult is nothing like any of those groups; Quit trying to leach their credibility just because you don't have any.
Mike wrote:
Stop harrassing Scientology and get on with your own life.
We will not stop until your cult is disbanded. Graham Berry suggested we might be finished before 2012.

“Honorary Squirrel Buster”

Since: Apr 07

Tulsa, OK

#18 Jul 21, 2009
Mike wrote:
Scientology is not a dangerous endeavor.
Really? Prove that.
Mike wrote:
I can imagine the size of the list that disgruntled catholics or psychiatrists or even ex-McDonalds employees would be.
Why are you already retreating into generalities instead of telling us how wonderful Scientology is?
Mike wrote:
And I am sure that the number of stories culled would be equally horrifing.
Yeah, like when Tommy Davis blurts the content of PC folders on television and people just laugh at him. I've never heard of McDonalds, psychiatrists, or the Catholic Church doing that.
Mike wrote:
Keep "exposing" Scientology,
Don't worry, we will. David Miscavige will be gone very soon because his former closest friends have all switched sides. Did you catch the recent SP Times article about it? Its like Time Magazine from the inside.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1012148.e...
Mike wrote:
because eventually people will realize that you guys are saying the same old thing.
Maybe the discourse would change if you had realistic answers to our questions. You never will though, per KSW.
Speaking of which...

“Honorary Squirrel Buster”

Since: Apr 07

Tulsa, OK

#19 Jul 21, 2009
Mike wrote:
If Germany was unable to "ban" Scientology after a 10 year investigation;
They were able, they just didn't consider you important enough.
Mike wrote:
if Interpol failed;
Don't know the details on this one.
Mike wrote:
if the IRS was defeated;
Thats the problem with the Scientology mentality: You only think in terms of brute force. Yes, you 'won,' but not because truth was on your side, but because the IRS was bullied into submission by thousands of lawsuits. You don't take that into account naturally, because Scientology strips away any sense of nuance.
Mike wrote:
if the Russian government failed --
Scientology is banned in Moscow.
Mike wrote:
what good will you guys do?
Its actually mostly past tense now because the world knows we speak the truth. The only court that matters to me is the court of public opinion. You guys are the most hated "religion" in the United States.
Mike wrote:
Already your numbers are dwindling.
No, we have critical mass and numbers no longer matter as much. Your membership on the other hand, which was already steadily declining, has imploded since Anonymous showed up. You're not even worth mentioning on the Religious Identification Survey any more.
http://livinginliminality.files.wordpress.com...
Mike wrote:
You accuse and accuse, at some point people are going to realize the BS that you guys fling. People leave, they come back or stay away. You guys are only helping the Church because your harrassment will only turn the Church into the victim, not the villian.
Yeah, I'm real sure thats what people were thinking when they watched Tommy Davis harass John Sweeney.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/play...
You guys cry wolf all the time and no one believes you any more.
Mike wrote:
You say the Church is criminal and can only point to 40 year old convictions.
I could spend days talking about your cults crimes. Here's a good place for you to start.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...
Mike wrote:
You point to Germany, France and Belgium and say look these countries "see the evil", when these countries also villanize Baptists, Mormons, Budists and even Yoga;and have been roundly criticized by our own State Department for doing so.
Your cult is nothing like any of those groups; Quit trying to leach their credibility just because you don't have any.
Mike wrote:
Stop harrassing Scientology and get on with your own life.
We will not stop until your cult is disbanded. Graham Berry recently suggested it might be over before 2012.
Mike

Surfside, CA

#20 Jul 21, 2009
Very weak Red Pill. Keep pushing though because there is no such thing as bad publicity. I am sure that your mistaken just like your comment about Scientology being banned in Moscow: "Scientology wins Landmark Decision" April 2007:
http://www.pluralism.org/news/article.php...

You see, whenever these accusations are taken out of the darkness of rumour and hearsay and put into the light were real scrutiny and evidence is required Scientology usually wins.

Your excuse about Germany is laughable. What will your excuse be about France and Belgium? Do you really think that if the prosecutor in France thought he had a good case, they would be wait for October for a decision?

All the accusations recently have floated into and through the vaccum of nothingness. "Scientology being investigated by Amnesty International" Nothing. "The Freewinds is Full of Asbestos and will take years to Retrofit" Nothing. "The Sklar Case is Going to Finish Scientology's Religious Status" Nothing.

All you guys have are accusations. These accusations against Miscavage have been floating around for almost 10 years now. The SPTimes just rehashed old news, news that cannot be substantiated, except by fellow antogonists.

Anonymous cannot muster even the same number of protestors as last year. Go to You Tube and see for yourself. Compare the videos from 2008 to 2009. You Tube is full of 2008 protest videos and only a handful of 2009 videos, none that I can find since February. Those that view those are in the hundreds.

You guys have nothing. If you really spoke the truth Scientology would have been dead and buried long ago. You guys speak hearsay and rumour, and even that is rehashed over and over again, until no one will even listen.

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