Unite for health reform

Unite for health reform

There are 19 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Jul 22, 2009, titled Unite for health reform. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

In 1976, President Jimmy Carter said about health care in America: "We've built a haphazard, unsound, undirected, inefficient non-system, which has left us unhealthy and unwealthy at the same time.

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fear factor

Culver City, CA

#1 Jul 22, 2009
I am tired of the for-profit health insurers frightening our citizens and elected officials with their false propaganda. Revising healthcare simply to insure the uninsured is not enough. The Federal Government has to take into account the tax dollars spent by sates, counties, cities and other government entities for such mandated care is Undocumented Aliens (who by the way make up a high percentage of our uninsured, medical care rendered to prison inmates, state mandated children and indigent care etc.

Although the majority of my clinical and administrative practice has been in government run hospitals I have also spent considerable time in University and private hospitals as well as WellPoint/Blue Cross.

Thus, I have been battling the system with no success in detailing what I believe is the most comprehensive and affordable way to go. This is our last chance for reform and I would like to see it done right. Rushing to form a plan on limited input from those who bear the most to lose will have the same result that rushing to pass Medicare without first building a comprehensive, budget controlled infrastructure rather that farming the administration out to for-profit health insurers (who by the way make the decision of what care you can get and not the government). They in fact get more in between the patient and doctor than do the Feds since they not the government tell the physicians what they can do and cannot do.

Felipe

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#2 Jul 23, 2009
Wrong in so many ways, David. There is no health care crisis. Of those who have care, 93% say there health care is satisfactory , good, or excellent. Of those who don't, over a third are 20-something folk who choose not to purchase insurance because they do not believe they need it; 10-15 million are illegal immigrants; much of the rest are between jobs and will likely again get coverage when they are again employed (I do believe that health insurance should not be provided by employers).
Health care has become so expensive because of gov't mandates and litigation, and technological advancements. Doctors don't give us what we need anymore. They give us anything and everything that might help, as well as unnecessary "preventative" diagnostic procedures (mammograms, colonoscopies, prostate exams, etc.) in response to hyperlitigation and mandates.
Other "developed" countries do not have free and open media or examination of policy results and cannot be compared. Other countries benefit from the advancements in medicines and procedurs that result from the research and development funded by the profits generated by our free market system (or what once was).
The solution is less, not more gov't intervention.
We are not entitled to health care. We should purchase coverage the way we purchase a house or hamburger. Laws already exist against fraud, negligence, breach of contract, etc.
Freedom and free markets are always best at delivering the highest-quality goods and services and variety at lowest cost.
Don't drink the health-care crisis Kool-Aid!!!
fear factor

Culver City, CA

#3 Jul 23, 2009
MEDICARE:
The major problem with Medicare is not that it is run by the government, but the fact that it is NOT run by the government. The only responsibility that the government has is to ensure that payments are made on time.

To insure this the government employs only 5,000 personnel and contracts the rest of the administration out to private contractors who employ 22,500 personnel.

Thus, a taxpayer cost of billions of dollars in government contracts are made with for-profit health insurance companies and other private entities to establish: 1)the care guidelines for their regions, 2)review and approve or disapprove claims, 3)enroll recipients in private for-profit Managed Care HMO’s, 4)review and approve or disapprove applications of healthcare providers wishing to participate in the program, etc. 5)Monitor the program (such as Lumetra, which at least is a not-for profit entity).

In addition, the Government now pays private for-profit Insurers $15,000,000,000 of taxpayer money to offer a Senior Advantage Program for Medicare (which is primarily a capitated manage care program) for Medicare recipients who are then directed to other for-profit entities for their healthcare. This is done solely because the government, itself, is reluctant to direct them to specified providers.

One must keep in mind that these for-profit health insurance companies and providers think of their shareholders first and foremost, the patient’s needs come second.

The uninsured, as well as, very few low income citizens cannot afford to own these stocks, yet they are taxpayers.

Is it fair to use tax dollars to subsidize programs that many taxpayers cannot benefit from without a mandate for these for-profit entities to render care to this group of taxpayers?
Larry Hernandez

Redlands, CA

#4 Jul 23, 2009
Right On Fear Factor!
And Felipe is full of flatulent Beans!

The problem with Medicare is almost entirely created by Washington politicians larding up the system with outrageous giveaways to friendly campaign contributors.

Putting our money in their pockets is first, second and third in priority. Giving Medicare recipients real value is way down the list.

CNN has recently revealed that Medicare routinely rents on behalf of recipients manual-powered wheelchairs from well-connected firms for up to $1200. a month.

The problem is that the same firm will sell the same chair outright for around $400, and its competitors for even less.

Why does this happen?

Rules put into place by Congressmen and Senators in the pocket of the Wheelchair lobby made it so.

The same thing happens to drug prices under Medicare.

Thanks to David Dreier and his fellow House Republicans, negotiating a better price is expressly forbidden to Medicare. So is importing less expensive drugs from Canada.

Taking these decisions out of the hands of Congress and putting them into the hands of an independent panel of doctors and other specialists is the one big reform the President has proposed.

Of course, Felipe and others will prattle on and on about "rationing" but isn't that what already goes on? If one has the bucks, one gets the goods, and if one doesn't, sorry bud.

That sure is an enlightened approach to health care...

in the eleventh century BC.
fear factor

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#5 Jul 23, 2009
Larry Hernandez wrote:
Right On Fear Factor!
And Felipe is full of flatulent Beans!
The problem with Medicare is almost entirely created by Washington politicians larding up the system with outrageous giveaways to friendly campaign contributors.
Putting our money in their pockets is first, second and third in priority. Giving Medicare recipients real value is way down the list.
CNN has recently revealed that Medicare routinely rents on behalf of recipients manual-powered wheelchairs from well-connected firms for up to $1200. a month.
The problem is that the same firm will sell the same chair outright for around $400, and its competitors for even less.
Why does this happen?
Rules put into place by Congressmen and Senators in the pocket of the Wheelchair lobby made it so.
The same thing happens to drug prices under Medicare.
Thanks to David Dreier and his fellow House Republicans, negotiating a better price is expressly forbidden to Medicare. So is importing less expensive drugs from Canada.
Taking these decisions out of the hands of Congress and putting them into the hands of an independent panel of doctors and other specialists is the one big reform the President has proposed.
Of course, Felipe and others will prattle on and on about "rationing" but isn't that what already goes on? If one has the bucks, one gets the goods, and if one doesn't, sorry bud.
That sure is an enlightened approach to health care...
in the eleventh century BC.
Larry, perhaps you might consider submitting a "guest column" to the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, Daily Bulletin and SB Sun?
I think you would do well on the subject.
Thanks!
Prudent Polly

San Diego, CA

#6 Jul 23, 2009
We need Obama's health care now. Let Blue Cross\Shield and others sweat it out for awhile. It is not nationalized health care. People may keep their own plan if they like it.
Felipe

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#7 Jul 24, 2009
Larry, you posit that the problem with Medicare is corruption from Washington officials. So the solution from you lefties is to put Washington officials in charge of the health care of all of us?
Felipe

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#8 Jul 24, 2009
Looks like Larry and Saw have another volunteer to join them on their utopian island paradise: (fear factor [good name for a lefty]).
SAW

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#9 Jul 24, 2009
Felipe wrote:
Looks like Larry and Saw have another volunteer to join them on their utopian island paradise:(fear factor [good name for a lefty]).
I'm not even on this thread and you malign me anyway. You insist on pairing me and Larry up as ideological buddies, for reasons only in your made-up mind. Fairness is evidently not one of your, self-described, conservative qualities.
Larry Hernandez

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#10 Jul 24, 2009
Felipe:

SAW and I happen to agree on certain issues but that doesn't mean we will always agree. We both happen to be moderate to left on the issues that have been brought up recently by letter writers. In a nation of over 300 million people and a state with over 30 million, that shouldn't be a surprise.

Now I know that you see the two of us and now Fear Factor as Stalinists and the like. But really, that only shows how far off the edge you are. In any European country, where there are real socialists, anarchist and communists openly running for local and national office, anyone could compare us to them and see that where SAW, Fear Factor, I and many millions of our fellow Americans fall in the spectrum would be considered in that context to be outright centrist.

And while I would be likely happy to know SAW and the others personally, I don't. Stop insinuating that we are all part of of a secret society of untoward affiliations, This is not Catholic school, and we are not schoolboys who need to be policed for sinful displays of affection.

Although, I can see you in a nun's outfit, thumping a metal yardstick on your palm, on constant watch for anyone getting more happiness out of life than you.

Go police your own, starting with our local officials identified by the Hueston Report?

But of course, you still haven't answered my previous question about having read it.
Felipe

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#11 Jul 25, 2009
I guess you haven't availed yourself of the studies showing that God-fearing conservative folk are much happier than anti-conservatives. Put down Howard Zinn's anti-American history books for a moment and broaden your horizons at townhall.com or by reading Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Larry Elder, Ann Coulter, etc.
SAW

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#12 Jul 25, 2009
Felipe wrote:
I guess you haven't availed yourself of the studies showing that God-fearing conservative folk are much happier than anti-conservatives. Put down Howard Zinn's anti-American history books for a moment and broaden your horizons at townhall.com or by reading Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Larry Elder, Ann Coulter, etc.
I do have a life. I don't spend all my time reading about who is happier, etc. I have listened to and viewed all of these people. The only one of this group that does not deserve any respect is Ann Coulter. If there were a contest for the world champion insulter, Ann would win, hands down.
Larry Hernandez

Redlands, CA

#13 Jul 25, 2009
Felipe:

Get your nose out of those books, get your head out of the right wing quicksand, and take a hard look around you. Look at our county and the region. Do you see lots of happy elected conservatives?

Because you obstinately refuse to answer my question about having read the Hueston Report, I am going to assume that you haven't. But I presume that you do read the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, so you have to know that Supervisors Derry, Ovitt, Mitzelfelt, Biane and former supervisor and assessor Postmus are all entangled in a web of corruption. You have to know that many of their staffers are also implicated. You have to know that Derry is accusing DA Ramos of misconduct, and that Postmus is fingering the four supervisors.

Moreover, you have to know that Rex Gutierrez is not involved in the Assessor Office scandal, but is also at war with Mayor Kurth of R.C. and with at least two of his fellow city councilpersons. You have that Upland Councilperson Willis and Mayor J.P. Pomierski are feuding with the four above-mentioned supervisors about Upland staying out paying a share of the $102 million Colonies settlement (soon to balloon with interest to over $200 million). And the Ontario city council is as dysfunctional as it gets.

You also must know that Rob Gutierrez, Rex's brother and city manger of Moreno Valley is now accused of ethics violations and charges of sexual harrassment. You must know that a drug addicted Bill Postmus gave a job to Greg Eyler at least partially for sexual favors. And you must know that Congressman David Dreier is a closet case with a long term partner he also has on his staff, a man who pulls down a six-figure annual salary and takes junkets with Dreier at every opportunity.

And Felipe, you must know that all the above mentioned are all conservatives, and also Republicans. Do any of them behave like happy persons? Would you want any one as a brother-in-law?

Get local and you'll finally get real.
Larry Hernandez

Redlands, CA

#14 Jul 25, 2009
Correction: Rex Gutierrez IS involved in the Assessor Office scandal.
gigi

Norwalk, CA

#15 Jul 26, 2009
Felipe wrights "The solution is less, not more gov't intervention.
I grow up in Sweden and have seen the changes.
I had an ear infection and was in lots of pain. I was offered an appointment in 10 days. That was too long whish I sad. The answer was "If You can't wait go to a private doctor" We who worked often ended up paying taxes to Soc. Medicine and a private doctor. We did not have time to take off work for hours to sit in a waiting room. How about 3 month for a gallbladder surgery, one and a half year for knee surgery.
Our family gave up and moved here 1970, at that time a free country.
The more so called free the more unnecessary doctors visits and enormous lines for everything
Everybody should know today that a cold is not helped by antibiotics etc.
The ones that will be even richer is the Pharmaceutical companies with all the might help medications.
mariann

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#16 Jul 28, 2009
I don't know anytning that any goverment have done better and/or cheaper than private bisiness.
Charlie

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#17 Jul 28, 2009
Felipe wrote:
Wrong in so many ways, David. There is no health care crisis. Of those who have care, 93% say there health care is satisfactory , good, or excellent. Of those who don't, over a third are 20-something folk who choose not to purchase insurance because they do not believe they need it; 10-15 million are illegal immigrants; much of the rest are between jobs and will likely again get coverage when they are again employed (I do believe that health insurance should not be provided by employers).
Health care has become so expensive because of gov't mandates and litigation, and technological advancements. Doctors don't give us what we need anymore. They give us anything and everything that might help, as well as unnecessary "preventative" diagnostic procedures (mammograms, colonoscopies, prostate exams, etc.) in response to hyperlitigation and mandates.
Other "developed" countries do not have free and open media or examination of policy results and cannot be compared. Other countries benefit from the advancements in medicines and procedurs that result from the research and development funded by the profits generated by our free market system (or what once was).
The solution is less, not more gov't intervention.
We are not entitled to health care. We should purchase coverage the way we purchase a house or hamburger. Laws already exist against fraud, negligence, breach of contract, etc.
Freedom and free markets are always best at delivering the highest-quality goods and services and variety at lowest cost.
Don't drink the health-care crisis Kool-Aid!!!
Hard to disagree with this logic. What you didn't state is that people with health plans would have more choices if they could buy policies from out of state. When there is a legislature and an insurance commission to get between the insured and the insuror there is going to be junk that the insured must buy in his/her policy.
crazy world

Claremont, CA

#18 Jul 28, 2009
this so call reform is nothing more then giving total control of your health to the government. you will not have a choice. what company will give you insurance with a private insurance company when they can pay half the price with the government. it's not your choice. just like the government giving money to the banks and other institutions so they can control it. it's all about total control of everything by the government.
Diana

Chino, CA

#19 Aug 5, 2009
Diana Morales
Kristeen
August 5, 2009
Dear Editor,
Today's current recession has left millions of Americans with absolutely no health care. Currently there are an estimated 47 million uninsured Americans. The cost of medical insurance is so high that people have to choose between medicine and food. Qualifying for health care stands in the way of many. Those who aren't part of a group plan or private insurance are left with nothing or at most substandard health care. Qualifying for insurance is determined through a person’s income and medical history. The economic crisis has left millions of Americans helpless but there are solutions such as universal health care. Providing insurance at a low cost as part of a universal health care plan would improve the economy, as the tax breakups make up a third of the stimulus plan. The main point is that universal health care is a top priority. Now is the time to push this plan into affect.
Sincerely,
Diana Morales
High School Junior
Options For Youth

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