Proof God is imaginary

Apr 29, 2013 Full story: News24 12

We acknowledge, for instance, that the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so ardently that they constructed colossal structures like the Great Pyramid - still to this day one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever engineered.

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Since: Aug 12

Murphysboro, IL

#1 Apr 29, 2013
Proof is the enemy of Faith.
What does the article prove; Mankind has always needed the God(s).

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#2 Apr 30, 2013
No Drake proof is never the enemy of faith.

You make the same mistake that many do in not understanding that Faith is a personal experience of Deity. It is not something that needs scientific evidence to back it up with to be real. Nor does it need "proof". You do not have to believe, and that is your privilege.

As for the article. Just another extreme atheist with an axe to grind. An opinion at best. And at worse a willful misunderstanding of faith.

Since: Aug 12

Belleville, IL

#3 Apr 30, 2013
The problem with Atheists is that their position is as much an act of faith as ours. If one gets so bound up trying to Prove got exists one risks losing that focus on personal relationships with the unknowable.

Since: Aug 12

Belleville, IL

#4 Apr 30, 2013
Drake_Burrwood wrote:
If one gets so bound up trying to Prove "GOT" exists one risks losing that focus on personal relationships with the unknowable.
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"GOD"

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#5 May 2, 2013
Drake_Burrwood wrote:
The problem with Atheists is that their position is as much an act of faith as ours. If one gets so bound up trying to Prove got exists one risks losing that focus on personal relationships with the unknowable.
Sadly, no it isn't an act of faith at all. Being atheist is no more an act of faith that bald is a hair color, in their eyes, it either exists or it doesn't, it's black or white, one or zero. It's something called "reaching" that makes other people insist upon inflicting their "interpretation" of someone else's world view as reality instead of seeing what is there.

Since: Mar 13

Humble, TX

#6 May 2, 2013
I agree with Pagan and Proud, for them it is black and white, it either exists or it doesn't. The fact that they use so much of their energy trying to prove their point that something doesn't exist isn't an act to prove their faith, because they have none. However I do respect their opinions as I respect all that are different from mine.
karngur

Pittsburgh, PA

#7 May 5, 2013
youtube.com/watch... Ok What do he look like?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#8 Jul 9, 2013
Not sure how Charlie sheen has anything to do with this but ok.

first: Isn't it kind of odd how religion is always present in every culture? If there was no proof that would cause a rift that would eventually extinguish an un proven idealism. Yet as a whole through out every culture of the 2 legged man, we have had a God of some sort, typically a God that fits our needs but always present, even if constantly manipulated to be a tool of oppression murder rape plunder and mayhem. It doesn't change the fact that the energies we as Pagans, Christians,Islamic,Hindu and Buddhist, creates an idea and is constantly fed by the nuclear power plant of faith. So while I do respect the Atheists and their path, its as illogical as denying that rain was once a puddle, river or creek of some sort. While we can't see what's happening with our eyes we depend on the continuation of said process. Just like we depend on the Devine process to continue rolling along, even if we started it by faith. We need God just as God (The Gods I should say) need us.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#9 Jul 10, 2013
Son Of Ares wrote:
Not sure how Charlie sheen has anything to do with this but ok.
first: Isn't it kind of odd how religion is always present in every culture? If there was no proof that would cause a rift that would eventually extinguish an un proven idealism. Yet as a whole through out every culture of the 2 legged man, we have had a God of some sort, typically a God that fits our needs but always present, even if constantly manipulated to be a tool of oppression murder rape plunder and mayhem. It doesn't change the fact that the energies we as Pagans, Christians,Islamic,Hindu and Buddhist, creates an idea and is constantly fed by the nuclear power plant of faith. So while I do respect the Atheists and their path, its as illogical as denying that rain was once a puddle, river or creek of some sort. While we can't see what's happening with our eyes we depend on the continuation of said process. Just like we depend on the Devine process to continue rolling along, even if we started it by faith. We need God just as God (The Gods I should say) need us.
Actually I disagree. First and foremost a "Deity" concept isn't nessasary in Buddhism. From my understanding, depending on the variation, Buddhists aren't overly concerned with "God(s)", neither worship or "pleasing" them. A Badly Paraphrased quote once said "If you find a man lying in the road with an arrow sticking out of his body, do you check and see if the man is still alive and attempt first aid, or do you look around and see where the arrow came from?"
Secondly, how many things from "our" collective past were once either worshipped as being a god, being an act OF a god, or were otherwise thought of as "divine" which are no longer thought of in that way? Floating on water was a sign of a witch, water being "pure" would reject the witch and she or he would float. Of course now we know about Bouyancy, that it isn't the divine that makes a human body float or sink, it's physics. Did that slay a "God"?
Now while I do find the idea of a great cosmic amalgamation of the psychic energy from belief creating "something", the question of it's actual existence is at this point unproveable as are the other questions that would be associated with it such as, if some kind of event occurred that resulted in the extinction of Human beings on this world, would that "something" described earlier still exist? Would it cease to be as the last human being also ceased to be? Would it continue as we imagine it would?
All conjecture.
Proof is the antithesis of Faith.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#10 Jul 10, 2013
PAgan and proud I agree with you for the most part. yes many things that were thought to be supernatural or miracles. Can now be explained in natural terms and physics.

yes human nature is to figure out where the arrow came from.. Few would immediately try to see if the person was still alive.

But then I have seen people gather around a person that was just shot with out knowing where the shooter was or if still in the area. People can be dumber than a case of geological specimens....

"Proof is the antithesis of Faith."

Proof can also deepen one faith.. But it really is all on how one views the proof. Just my 2 cents.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#13 Jul 10, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
PAgan and proud I agree with you for the most part. yes many things that were thought to be supernatural or miracles. Can now be explained in natural terms and physics.
yes human nature is to figure out where the arrow came from.. Few would immediately try to see if the person was still alive.
But then I have seen people gather around a person that was just shot with out knowing where the shooter was or if still in the area. People can be dumber than a case of geological specimens....
"Proof is the antithesis of Faith."
Proof can also deepen one faith.. But it really is all on how one views the proof. Just my 2 cents.
But, you don't see the man being shot with an arrow, you know nothing other than seeing a man lying down with an arrow sticking out of the body. My first reaction is to see if I can help the person, if they are alive....then I wonder about 'where the arrow came from', but then the source of the quote was the Dali Lama, he would immediately turn to compassion over self preservation..

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#16 Jul 10, 2013
The bible. Now there's a topic. 1. Incomplete collection of books in which metaphors were used to open the interruption and allow the few to control the many thru fear. 2.Jumper, your really annoying.

then we get to three...this is the point where you agree and thank the Gods I said it or you want to associate me with the lump sum of standard morons.

The ideals of Christianity are what makes the idea of atheism so radical, with out the "SERVE GOD SLAVE!" most people could find their faith. The constant demand of servitude is what merits the constant demand for rebellion, sadly this is also proven by us as pagans, I was raised Pagan, most people are in one of three categories, dumbass teens courrupting their souls with foolish notions of black magic or some other form of Dark magic, just to rebel. Second you have those who walk this path for bragging rights, and a chance to be different, third: The silent few whom you'd never recognize as witches and pagans.

the point is, without Judeo Christian beliefs, it wouldn't matter, you dislike the God YOUR GONNA BURN BOY! But in the days of prominate polytheism you didn't like the Gods, that sucks wonder why? Oh well.

we've made disproving one another so important its the second half of faith. Its "all or nothing" two halves of a perfect circle

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