Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,289

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#211436 Jul 22, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>The question is not one of forgiveness. The question is why does every conversation that you have with someone who does not agree with you eventually result in you resorting to name calling.
I don't agree with you.
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211437 Jul 22, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
That is another absurd story. It is the first miracle according to John on the third day. What a way to start his 'glorious' mission!
No one else reported that.
A little bit of wine is indeed good for health but we have not seen drunkards taking only a little bit with food.
Qur'aan also says that there are advantages/benefits for people but adds that the disadvantages are huge and then asks, "Won't you stay away from it?"
So, when the LORD asks me that question, naturally I would say, "Yes, LORD, I will not touch those damn things and instead look for soft drinks or fruit juices."
By the way, what was applicable to John the Goose, was also applicable to Jesus the Gander. Please read this pice of information from Luke:
"“Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John.
14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord.
**********He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. " **********
Emphasis using ********** is mine!
That Jesus drank wine or beer or whisky is all nonsense!
What about the last supper? I guess that never happened either. I know the rules. Anything that doesn't say what you want never happened and if it does say what you want, then that's the part that happened..
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211438 Jul 22, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes America TRIED prohibition once and it failed, why ?
Because they tried it the WRONG way!!
They wanted to implement it by force and not by conviction.
If people don't have conviction and want to still drink, wouldn't force be necessary at that point? Of course, at some point, it would have to be impletemented by force. Like I said, America didn't like it.
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
What Great US Police Force and its Mighty Administration could not do was done by a "Single Verse of Holy Quran , 1400 years back"!!
But people are not going to make sacrifices because a book they don't believe in says so. So again, it would have to be done the good old fashioned Muslim way, with force and intimidation.
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It established the "Biggest Group on this planet who do not use Alcohol"....who is then More Powerful?
LOL!!! Well, take a look around. Muslims are generally the angriest, poorest and least educated of any other group. And they have even bigger problems than that between themselves.
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is because Quran used the PROPER WAY to ban Alcohol, it asked people to shun it because of fear of Allah and its punishment in the hereafter.
Well that ban has sure made for some very miserable people with little to no sense of humor. That's probably why when most of the time you see Muslim faces, they have a very stern look and don't look like they are enjoying being alive very much. Maybe it's that there are too many things to get angry about. I don't know, I just know that I would not pick them as the happiest people on earth by any stretch, Who would ever want to follow their example?

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#211439 Jul 22, 2014
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text> http://shahidbatalvi.wordpress.com/2009/08/30...
The five Ayat (Ayas) of the Quran that most directly address the consumption of alcohol are as follows:
1. They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." (Al-Baqara; 2:219)
2. And from the fruit of the date palm and the vine, ye get out wholesome drink and food: behold, in this also is a sign for those who are wise.(An-Nahl; 16:67)
3. O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say….(An-Nisa; 4:43)
4. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling,(dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination, Of Satan’s handiwork: Eschew such (abomination) that ye may prosper.(Al Maeda; 5:90)
5. Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer: Will ye not then refrain?(Al-Maeda; 5:91)
Quran does not use the word "prohibition" in the context of alcohol (khMr) anytime, anywhere. KhMr is the arabic term used for anything that causes intoxication. In other words, alcohol has not been categorized as "haram" in the Quran.
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Quran was not revealed in English as you might know!!

Quran says the Arabic word "FAJTANIBOOH" (AL MAIDAH 5:91), which means "stay away".

Why Quran has to use the word "Haram"?

There is no verse in Quran which "encourages" Muslims to drink Alcohol, is it? Always its negative affects are pointed out.

Since Alcohol was "so much prevalent" in Arabs of that time, a "gradual approach" was needed to ban it fully and that is how it was done.

After the verse of 5:91, prophet, peace be on him, made it Prohibited or Haram. And you KNOW our prophet, did have legislative power, don't you?
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211440 Jul 22, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Gandhi was soooooooo right when he said: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I do not like your Muhammad. I do not like your Muslims. Your Muslims are so like your Muhammad.
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211441 Jul 22, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times have I told you and others to forget 911, throw it behind and move on?
How about if people don't want to move on? What you want means nothing at all.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
At the time of that incident, you were totally clueless and ignorant about politics and had no knowledge about what was going on in the Middle east.
If you had then you would not have accused Islam for that.
Why was Islam even mentioned? And who mentioned it loud and clear? The terrorists. It's quite interesting that all of these terror groups pick clearly Islamic names for their organizations. They are the ones who want to make it all about Islam, not the media.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me put this way to you:
1. When Hitler screwed the region and slaughtered Jews, did you accuse Christianity of doing that? Did you and we blame Jesus and that alleged Ghost for all the evil that was done?
I don't remember them sticking crosses on their planes and tanks and giving the Nazi party a name like "Party of Christ" and screaming Jesus is greater before committing violence. But I do know Muslims that do things like that You see it every single day in almost every part of the world.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
2. For more than a decade, your country hammered the poor Vietnamese for no valid reason.
Did you and we blame Christianity and Jesus for that?
See above. Of course not. Was Vietnam a religious war designed to promote and spread Christianity? Really? It had nothing to do with stopping the spread of communism? Really? You clowns are soooo desperate
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
3. For more than half a decade, your country hammered the poor Iraqis for no valid reason.
Did you and we blame Christianity and Jesus for that?
So, stop blaming Islam for that event.
Why don't you tell the people who do this to stop clearly invoking Islam when they do these things? All that the media is doing is reporting what they see with their own eyes. They don't pay these organizations to have clearly Islamic names. They don't pay people to scream Alllahu Akbar before committing violence. Islam is clearly their reason and motivation for what they do, as clear;ly stated by they themselves. And they are actually following what the Quran really asks, and you are not. You bend Islam into what you would like it to be, These people do not. As even Muhammad himself said, in the end days your religion will be like a hot piece of coal in your hands,What do you expect from a religion from heel? Ice cubes in your hand? And that's exactly what Islam is to you, a hot coal, and that's why you constantly attempt to reinvent it.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
It was either an act of vengeance or vendetta by Osama or some conspiracy by your own leadership to blast the Twin Towers in order to start wars.
All of his explanations were given in a 1998 TV interview with Robert Miller, which strangely enough, most people don't even know about. Here he outlines his plans for jihad including a big warning about what is going to happen soon, and essentially and officially declares war against the US. Nobody took him seriously. Big mistake. And you should see how absolutely dripping his explanation is with Islam. No question that this guy believes he's being a good Muslm, and I think he was, according to the Quran and hadiths.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Be honest and answer this serious question:
Looking at what has been going on Palestine for years and what is going on now, do you have the same negative thoughts that devout Jewish Israelis were and ARE willing to murder thousands of Palestinians and other Muslims and this is what they learned from their scripture, Moses, Joshua, David and others?
If they start quoting scriptures like Muslims always do, then yes they are telling us that they are doing it because it's in their scriptures, just like bin Laden did.

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#211442 Jul 22, 2014
Kareem O Wheat wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not like your Muhammad. I do not like your Muslims. Your Muslims are so like your Muhammad.
The problem is with YOU and not with Muslims or our prophet. It is you who should rectify his behaviour.

A hatefilled person only spews hate is all direction. You and Shamma are prime example of that.

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#211443 Jul 22, 2014
Why Ban Alcohol and not cars?

A cursory glance on today's paper, shows the "beneficial effect" of Alcohol.... how many such cases would be in the whole world every day?

01. http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/20/

Six Children hurt in head on collision:

STRATFORD, Ont.-- A driver involved in a head-on crash that sent six children to hospital Sunday night has been charged with impaired driving causing bodily harm.

Tammy-Lynn Dingman, 42, of West Perth, Ont., has also been charged with dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing bodily harm and failing to provide a breath sample on demand.

Police said a car with two adults and a child crossed the centre line and collided with a minivan carrying a family of seven.

In all, 10 people were injured in the crash. All the children are younger than 10 years old.

The impact was so severe that two Ornge air ambulance choppers were called to the scene to transport a child and an adult, both in critical condition, to London, Ont.


"Here you have a family that is completely innocent who has an immediate life-altering incident that is completely avoidable," provincial police Const. Kees Wijnands said.

The scene of Sunday’s crash is not far from the spot where in Februrary 2012 a horrific crash between two vehicles killed nine migrant workers and a truck driver. The cause of the crash is under investigation.
Dingman is scheduled to appear in court Sept. 8

2. 2. http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/07/21/man-arres...

A Mac's convenience store clerk still hasn't returned to work after being viciously beaten a week ago until he was unconscious.

Friday cops arrested a man who they believe was his attacker.
They're not saying anything about what led them to their suspect but it's believed he's wanted in connection to as many as six armed robberies of Mac's stores -- all across the city.

In fact, in addition to the Orléans one on Tomkins Ave., police suspect the same man held up the one on Moodie Dr. in Bells Corners.
The timeline of the robberies in unclear.

Cops say the target of the robberies was cash, cigarettes and lottery tickets.

Desmond Manolakos, 25, who is known to police, was arrested Friday in relation to the Orléans robbery and charged with robbery, assault causing bodily harm and wearing a disguise.
-- Doug Hempstead

3. http://www.winnipegsun.com/2014/07/21/


A Manitoba teen arrested after he fatally stabbed his abusive father told police he didn’t “think this thing through.”

“If he opens his eyes, I will tell him I’m sorry,” the then 14-year-old boy told police, following the Dec. 30, 2012 killing.

“My little brother will grow up without a father. I need to tell my mom I’m sorry,” he said.

Provincial court Judge Tim Preston sentenced the now 16-year-old accused Monday to 30 days community supervision and 23 months supervised probation.

The teen spent 270 days in custody before he was released on bail.
The killing occurred in a community in southwest Manitoba.

Court heard the 42-year-old victim had been drinking all day when he threw a cellphone at his wife’s head and threatened to kill her.
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211444 Jul 22, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Since Alcohol was "so much prevalent" in Arabs of that time, a "gradual approach" was needed to ban it fully and that is how it was done.
After the verse of 5:91, prophet, peace be on him, made it Prohibited or Haram. And you KNOW our prophet, did have legislative power, don't you?
It's interesting that the Quran does not do this right up front and right away. Seems to me that Muhammad was discovering that drunk soldiers do not make for good soldiers, so it was time for an adjustment and new rule. The revelations always seem to come after Muhammad himself sees a need or something he thinks should be done. That's why the Quran had to be revealed over 23 years. You had to give Muhammad the chance to create the Suras as the circumstances unfolded for him, and that obviously was not going to happen all at once and Muhammad did not know what those circumstances might be in the future.

That's what abrogation is for. It's for Muhammad to be able to change his mind as the circumstances dictated and abrogate past things if they no longer fit with how the circumstances have unfolded. That's how to you your religion and to me mine, and no compulsion in religion, were completely wiped out by Suras like 4, 8 and 9. Muhammad had an army now, so that was enough of the nice guy talk after he had the power to just force people.

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#211445 Jul 22, 2014
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text>You've also used insulting language, Mr. Couth, and I'm leery of Muslims telling anyone to "behave properly," because the "or else" that follows in many parts of the world where Muslims rule or are on a rampage, Mosul, for example, has been lethal to those who won't "behave properly," Muslim style.
Please compare "My Insulting language" against what "Experts on Insulting language" use on these threads.

First of all it is not me who starts it, usually it is in response to some foul mouthed language used by the other side....I mostly avoid answering such posts, but even when I reply back its tone in much guarded.

It does not use "free flowing insults and swear words and gutter language and pornographic material".... it is what is called a "guarded response".

Why are you much insistent on using "garbage language" on these threads, I fail to understand. Do you like these abusive language and swear worlds and filthy dirty language?
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211447 Jul 22, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Please compare "My Insulting language" against what "Experts on Insulting language" use on these threads.
First of all it is not me who starts it, usually it is in response to some foul mouthed language used by the other side....I mostly avoid answering such posts, but even when I reply back its tone in much guarded.
It does not use "free flowing insults and swear words and gutter language and pornographic material".... it is what is called a "guarded response".
Why are you much insistent on using "garbage language" on these threads, I fail to understand. Do you like these abusive language and swear worlds and filthy dirty language?
Who cares? Oh, that's right, you do. Who cares if you do?

Since: Nov 11

Columbus, OH

#211448 Jul 22, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Christians are really soooooooooo unlike your Christ. I can't disagree with Gandhi's assessment of Christians in a few words.
You are actually like the dirty Church fathers, who founded Christianity and her Church.
If brother Jesus comes back, he will stay miles away from your sty.
So, which demented and deranged Christian evangelist told you that?
Typical Muslim evasion and distraction.

By attacking Christianity you evade Shammas point about the 6 year old and the pennis!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#211449 Jul 22, 2014
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text> http://shahidbatalvi.wordpress.com/2009/08/30...
The five Ayat (Ayas) of the Quran that most directly address the consumption of alcohol are as follows:
1. They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." (Al-Baqara; 2:219)
2. And from the fruit of the date palm and the vine, ye get out wholesome drink and food: behold, in this also is a sign for those who are wise.(An-Nahl; 16:67)
3. O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say….(An-Nisa; 4:43)
4. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling,(dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination, Of Satan’s handiwork: Eschew such (abomination) that ye may prosper.(Al Maeda; 5:90)

5. Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer: Will ye not then refrain?(Al-Maeda; 5:91)

Quran does not use the word "prohibition" in the context of alcohol (khMr) anytime, anywhere. KhMr is the arabic term used for anything that causes intoxication. In other words, alcohol has not been categorized as "haram" in the Quran.
__________
Thank you, Buford for quoting the verses fro those, who are not aware of them.

I explained it without even quoting an exact verse. Please allow me to give a crash course for the words.

The Arabic word is 'Muntahoon".

In the active voice the word is "yanha". For example, "Innallaha yanha...." which means "Verily Allah forbids..." or "Verily Allah prohibits..."

Check this one out where the word "yanha" is used and shown in transliteration as "wayanha " (Just separate the 'wa' for 'and')

http://islamawakened.com/quran/16/90/

Most translators including Western/Christian scholars have used the word 'forbids'.

In the passive voice for Arabic, it would mean, "Won't you stay forbidden....?" or ""Won't you stay prohibited?""

And I also gave an example by way of a question the LORD asked. So, I would say, "Yes, LORD! I will refrain and never touch intoxicating drinks."

So, according to Qur'aan, intoxicating drinks are forbidden,

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#211450 Jul 22, 2014
Kareem O Wheat wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the last supper? I guess that never happened either. I know the rules. Anything that doesn't say what you want never happened and if it does say what you want, then that's the part that happened..
I can accept that the last group supper was taken by Jesus and his colleagues before he was arrested. However, that was not his last meal.

My point is simple. I don't believe that Jesus took intoxicating drinks.

He might have taken grape juice.

I have already quoted the verse regarding prohibition on John S/o Zakaria and wrote very clearly that what was good for John the goose was also good for Jesus the gander.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#211451 Jul 22, 2014
Kareem O Wheat wrote:
<quoted text>
How about if people don't want to move on? What you want means nothing at all.
<quoted text>
Why was Islam even mentioned? And who mentioned it loud and clear? The terrorists. It's quite interesting that all of these terror groups pick clearly Islamic names for their organizations. They are the ones who want to make it all about Islam, not the media.
<quoted text>
I don't remember them sticking crosses on their planes and tanks and giving the Nazi party a name like "Party of Christ" and screaming Jesus is greater before committing violence. But I do know Muslims that do things like that You see it every single day in almost every part of the world.
<quoted text>
See above. Of course not. Was Vietnam a religious war designed to promote and spread Christianity? Really? It had nothing to do with stopping the spread of communism? Really? You clowns are soooo desperate
<quoted text>
Why don't you tell the people who do this to stop clearly invoking Islam when they do these things? All that the media is doing is reporting what they see with their own eyes. They don't pay these organizations to have clearly Islamic names. They don't pay people to scream Alllahu Akbar before committing violence. Islam is clearly their reason and motivation for what they do, as clear;ly stated by they themselves. And they are actually following what the Quran really asks, and you are not. You bend Islam into what you would like it to be, These people do not. As even Muhammad himself said, in the end days your religion will be like a hot piece of coal in your hands,What do you expect from a religion from heel? Ice cubes in your hand? And that's exactly what Islam is to you, a hot coal, and that's why you constantly attempt to reinvent it.
<quoted text>
All of his explanations were given in a 1998 TV interview with Robert Miller, which strangely enough, most people don't even know about. Here he outlines his plans for jihad including a big warning about what is going to happen soon, and essentially and officially declares war against the US. Nobody took him seriously. Big mistake. And you should see how absolutely dripping his explanation is with Islam. No question that this guy believes he's being a good Muslm, and I think he was, according to the Quran and hadiths.
<quoted text>
If they start quoting scriptures like Muslims always do, then yes they are telling us that they are doing it because it's in their scriptures, just like bin Laden did.
I have explained and I have already made my points.

So, please forget the bloody 911, throw it behind and move on.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#211452 Jul 22, 2014
Kareem O Wheat wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not like your Muhammad. I do not like your Muslims. Your Muslims are so like your Muhammad.
LOL! Tu Quoque!

But you are a nobody, Seeker.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#211453 Jul 22, 2014
martinezjosei wrote:
Typical Muslim evasion and distraction.
By attacking Christianity you evade Shammas point about the 6 year old and the pennis!
Shamma is a bloody ignorant fool and a liar like any filthy Christian evangelist/polemicist like Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer, Dr. Rifat Amari, Ali Sina and and like you has no point.

Ayesha was married to the Prophet when she was about 18 years old.

What the Christian polemic bloody fools do not know is that we follow the Sunnah, the Way of the Prophet.

So, if the Prophet had married Ayesha and had taken her to bed when she was six, all Muslim men including yours truly would be marrying 6 years old girls under the "Sunnah" and fucking them merrily and none of you bloody fools/idiots would have been able to stop us.

Now, let us go back to Luke's report. Why did your God and the Holy Spirit overpowered a poor innocent little pre-pubescent girl?

Also, why did your bachelor Jesus keep so many women and how do you explain her illicit and illegal sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene? Why was Jesus also a gay? John used to lean and sink in his bare chest. Right?

You follow Jesus' Way of keeping girls and mistresses.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#211454 Jul 22, 2014
bmz wrote:
Shamma is a bloody ignorant fool and a liar like any filthy Christian evangelist/polemicist like Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer, Dr. Rifat Amari, Ali Sina and and like you has no point.

Ayesha was married to the Prophet when she was about 18 years old.

What the Christian polemic bloody fools do not know is that we follow the Sunnah, the Way of the Prophet.

So, if the Prophet had married Ayesha and had taken her to bed when she was six, all Muslim men including yours truly would be marrying 6 years old girls under the "Sunnah" and fucking them merrily and none of you bloody fools/idiots would have been able to stop us.

Now, let us go back to Luke's report. Why did your God and the Holy Spirit overpowered a poor innocent little pre-pubescent girl?

Also, why did your bachelor Jesus keep so many women and how do you explain her illicit and illegal sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene? Why was Jesus also a gay? John used to lean and sink in his bare chest. Right?

You follow Jesus' Way of keeping girls and mistresses.
Corrections, martinezjosei

"Now, let us go back to Luke's report. Why did your God and the Holy Spirit overpowered a poor innocent little pre-pubescent girl?"

This should read: "Now, let us go back to Luke's report. Why did your God and the Holy Spirit overpower a poor innocent little pre-pubescent girl and raped her?"

And "Also, why did your bachelor Jesus keep so many women and how do you explain her illicit and illegal sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene? Why was Jesus also a gay? John used to lean and sink in his bare chest. Right?" should read:

"Also, why did your bachelor Jesus keep so many women and how do you explain his illicit and illegal sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene? Why was Jesus also a gay? John used to lean and sink in his bare chest. Right?"
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211455 Jul 22, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is with YOU and not with Muslims or our prophet. It is you who should rectify his behaviour.
A hatefilled person only spews hate is all direction. You and Shamma are prime example of that.
If you call accurately quoting from Muslims sources themselves hatred, then so be it. That's pretty much all that I do. That, and shoot holes through all of your silly little made up inventions about Islam that you make up to make Islam a comfortable religion for you.
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#211456 Jul 22, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! Tu Quoque!
But you are a nobody, Seeker.
The funny part is that people don't like Christians when they DON'T behave like Jesus, but people don't like Muslims when they DO behave like Muhammad. That says a lot right there.

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