Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256422 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#204384 Mar 29, 2014
LiLyknows wrote:
Mohammed was self-appointed and that isn't a lie. The oldest Gospels in the Peshetta predate islam hundreds of years. You can see that the concepts are already there at the time of moh because he struggles to understand it as an ignorant ummi and argues based on his own conjecture of things such as that 'God' would need to have sex to manifest as the Savior (with a concubine) etc.

It doesn't contradict that YHWH God is one and that verse proves that your 'allah' is a fraud. The concept that the Messiah that was expected would be YHWH God is in the prophecy (Isaiah) and confirmed in the Gospels that predate the death cult and are the same today.
You are mohammedans, without mohammed you would have NO allah since you rely completely on his (paganized confusion of)'allah' falsely associated with the Biblical God.
Please read my informative post again:

That the terms God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit were recognized hundreds of years before Muhammad was appointed, IS a lie. Please do not bullshit!

You do not have any of those terms in your gospels, not even in the letters of Paul and not even in the letters of James.

The absurd terms came only 450 plus years after Jesus was gone.

" The New Encyclopedia Britannica 1976
"Neither the word trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament:'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord'(Deut. 6:4)...

The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies...

By the end of the 4th century ... the doctrine of the trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."

No lies please, we are Muslims.

All prophets were appointed by the LORD Almighty. However, no one carried a certificate of appointment.

There was only one self-appointed person and that was the motor mouth Paul, who came out of the blue, filled the vacuum left by Jesus and his disciples, who had gone into hiding. Paul spoke a lot more than Jesus did.

If you extract the real words spoken by Jesus, they would not amount to even ten percent of the quantum that Paul spoke.

And the biggest joke is that you never question Paul's self-appointment and take over Jesus in absentia.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#204385 Mar 29, 2014
Alex WM wrote:
Silly Lily.....

When will you ever answer a simple direct question in a direct fashion?

This is the question...

Was Jesus the "son of God" or the "son of god the father"?

Now that should keep you busy..........
I think I will help Lily out, bro. Hope you do not mind.

Jesus the Son of God the Father, was not the Son of God. Hope this helps Lily.

Salaams
BMZ
Alex WM

London, UK

#204386 Mar 29, 2014
LiLyknows wrote:
<quoted text>
I already explained this is a previous post, persons is a word used by humans that are interpreting the ROLES (persona). God can be in many roles, those are just the roles seen while carrying out the 'divine plan'(of Salvation) that your fake god didn't know about (or was intentionally trying to sabotage).
What was the 'divine plan' of your idol anyway alex? Did it have one? Or did it go to all the trouble of creating the universe and world in the hopes of watching an islamic porn show (terrorists raping virgins) for eternity?
Hello Silly Lily...
Please imagine that you are standing on the bank of River Jordan....watching BJ being dunked by JTB.
You will immediately start to worship BJ I guess?
Then you see the Holy Ghost descending in the shape of a Dove....
Surely you will start to worship the Dove as well....thus alternating between dunkin BJ and the descending dove..., ok?
Suddenly you hear a booming voice from above from daddy god, and you worship in that direction too!
Now you are frantically worshipping BJ, the dove and in the direction of the voice!
This is where your trinity causes utter confusion...

Who are these THREE DISTINCT "persons":
"him (BJ the sonny)"
"dove (holy ghosty thingy)"
"the source of voice from heaven (daddy)"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."
or was your monstrous christian god a darn good ventriloquist?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#204387 Mar 29, 2014
uhuh wrote:
if a true prophet must make mention of God's "personal" name then gentile prophets (eg Job & friends) together with Jesus all failed the "test" ("ego eimi" is not the tetragram Y-H-V-H lol)

many of the hebrew prophets had uttered it before, eg when Jacob exclaimed "Surely YHVH is in this place!" (Gen 28:16)

so why didn't Jesus ever mention his own father's Name? curious...
Actually, Jacob never used YHVH.

YHVH came long after Moses was gone.

He said, "'Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.'"

You asked a great question, uhuh. The answer is that Jesus knew that God has no real name and did know any other name.

That is why we see him talking only about the Father in heaven. He did use the equivalent of God, which must have been Elahi (My God) hardly a few times.

Also, Father can not be tetragrammated to YHWH at all, because the word Abba has no Ya, no wau and no ha.
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204388 Mar 29, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
I type this:
BMZ, here is yet another of many problem with Sura 72. Muhammad must have been having a very confused, semi psychotic day that day.
Remember, this is the Jinn being quoted and it looks like it switches to Allah in 16
14 And that some of us are those who submit, and some of us are the deviators; so whoever submits, these aim at the right way:
15 And as to the deviators, they are fuel of hell:
16 And that if they should keep to the (right) way, We would certainly give them to drink of abundant watery
So if the Jinn follow Allah, he would certainly give them abundant water. So beings made of smokeless flame drink water? I would think that water would be the last thing that something made of flame would want. LOL!!! It's so funny that nobody notices this right in front of their face.
Muhammad was going off on a crazy diatribe that day and didn't think about what he was really saying. And how are beings made of smokeless flame supposed to be fuel for hell or burn in it like men are supposed to be? He accidentally forgot about the qualities the Jinn were supposed to have and instead was accidentally attributing human qualities to them such as being made of burnable flesh and needing to drink water. And it is very understandable how someone can make this mistake and not think of this if they are in a fervor while creating a Sura with a goal of it saying what they need it to say at that particular time and circumstance.

And you say "no". Can you tell the rest of the class the name of the universe where that is actually considered an answer? Why did you even bother? Just say you can't answer it.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#204389 Mar 29, 2014
uhuh wrote:
shameless thieves didn't just steal the scriptures from the Jews,
The Jews stole their G-d (El) and most of their key teachings and several major customs from the neighboring Babylonian cultures.

Muslims stole scriptural information from the Jews, Christians and Hindus.
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204390 Mar 29, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
If you can understand the junk and stuff of John, then you should be easily able to understand and appreciate Surah 72.
First part of verse 1 is addressed to Muhammad and then the rest up to verse 19 is what the Jinns said.
Verse 16 is spoken by Allah. You struggled and managed to get it right.
Verse 16 is not quoting what the Jinn said it's quoting Allah or it is Allah speaking directly. You just got done saying that verses 1 to 19 are quoting the Jinn, and then you immediately contradict yourself in the same exact sentence and say that 16 is not the Jinn. How is it possible for someone to be this stupid? I don't understand..
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way, Jinn in Arabic also means a labourer. For example, the workers, who built structures for solomon, are called Jinns in Qur'aan.
And you claim to know Arabic? The word jinn has to do with a root word which means "to conceal" or "concealed". This either refers to their quality of invisibility, or their concealing of the truth or both. How is it that I have to tell you this? How could a person who claims to know Arabic make this mistake?
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204391 Mar 29, 2014
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello certified m0r0n....
ok.... then...Give us some DIRECT quotes from Jesus that confirm without a shadow of a doubt that he is God, the only begotten son of god, the holy ghost, god the son, god the father, god the holy ghost...
I never said that was there in the specific language that YOU demand. I said that there are plenty of verses that easily could be looked at as implying those ideas. I don't see anything as being "confirmed" one way or the other. There also is no specific mention of praying 5 times per day in the Quran either but that doesn't seem to stop Muslims from trying to piece verses together and suggest they claim that Muslims must pray 5 times per day. That;'s the same thing that Trinitarians do, and I would say that some verses don,'t seem to support their idea and some do, so it's hard to say and it's a guess. So why are Muslims allowed to draw conclusions from the Quran that are not explicitly stated but Christians cannot do the same with the NT? And the funny part is that Muslims claim that the verses that support the idea of Trinity or Jesus as the Son of God are fabrications invented later, but they cannot explain why, if people were fabricating the NT to be whatever they wanted it to be, they didn't remove the verses that don't suggest a Trinity while they were at it. I think the NT is strange and deep and sometimes ever weird, but it is what it is.
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204392 Mar 29, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting!
So, now, we have three Yahwehs. YHWH John, YHWH Matthew and YHWH Jesus.
Great! Carry on lying!
So "YHWH is a gracious giver" means "YHWH John"? How did your cross eyed twisted mind arrive at that conclusion?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#204393 Mar 29, 2014
I KEEL U 2 DETH wrote:
<quoted text>
Verse 16 is not quoting what the Jinn said it's quoting Allah or it is Allah speaking directly. You just got done saying that verses 1 to 19 are quoting the Jinn, and then you immediately contradict yourself in the same exact sentence and say that 16 is not the Jinn. How is it possible for someone to be this stupid? I don't understand..

And you claim to know Arabic? The word jinn has to do with a root word which means "to conceal" or "concealed". This either refers to their quality of invisibility, or their concealing of the truth or both. How is it that I have to tell you this? How could a person who claims to know Arabic make this mistake?
Looks like you have not read my post carefully. Here it is once again:

"If you can understand the junk and stuff of John, then you should be easily able to understand and appreciate Surah 72.

First part of verse 1 is addressed to Muhammad and then the rest up to verse 19 is what the Jinns said.

Verse 16 is spoken by Allah. You struggled and managed to get it right.

And the rest is addressed to Muhammad to tell people. The word "Say" starts at verse 20.

That party of Jinns was far better and more truthful than the Church fathers. In verse 3 they condemned the Christian belief that God had a son and also confirmed that God had not taken a wife.

Very good Jinns, I must say. By the way, Jinn in Arabic also means a labourer. For example, the workers, who built structures for solomon, are called Jinns in Qur'aan."

If read my post, you can see that I have clearly written "Verse 16 is spoken by Allah".

You wrote: "And you claim to know Arabic? The word jinn has to do with a root word which means "to conceal" or "concealed"."

That is incorrect!

I do not know who is that clueless ignorant fool who told you that and you believed it. A root is a group of at least three Arabic letters.

Jin has only two Arabic letters, Jeem and nun and none of the two or the two together have anything to do with the words conceal or hidden or unseen. There are only a few two letter words but nothing can be formed from those.

You have been misinformed.

Good night.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#204394 Mar 29, 2014
I KEEL U 2 DETH wrote:
<quoted text>
So "YHWH is a gracious giver" means "YHWH John"? How did your cross eyed twisted mind arrive at that conclusion?
I was being sarcastic and I was ridiculing Lily.

Good bye!
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204395 Mar 29, 2014
Let me give you a perfect example of just how stupid you are and void of any decent reasoning skills.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
or was your monstrous christian god a darn good ventriloquist?
If God is the ventriloquist, then it is God's words actually being said, not someone elses, right? Dummy. Just like when Muhammad was the ventriloquist, it was Muhammad's words actually being said when his Allah hand puppet talked. And he began to realize just how powerful his Allah hand puppet could be, so he started to use it for even his own personal matters, like the problems he was having with his wives. Out comes his Allah hand puppet with a new Sura and Muhammad's personal problems were solved via the authority of his hand puppet.
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204396 Mar 29, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like you have not read my post carefully. Here it is once again:
"If you can understand the junk and stuff of John, then you should be easily able to understand and appreciate Surah 72.
First part of verse 1 is addressed to Muhammad and then the rest up to verse 19 is what the Jinns said.
So all of verses from the second part of 1 to 19 are the Jinn talking.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Verse 16 is spoken by Allah.
Now it's not all verses from 1 to 19 being what the Jinn said, even though you just got done saying that. Verse 16 is what Allah said. Do you even read what you type? Is the problem that you don't realize that 16 falls between 1 and 19?
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204397 Mar 29, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote: "And you claim to know Arabic? The word jinn has to do with a root word which means "to conceal" or "concealed"."
That is incorrect!
I do not know who is that clueless ignorant fool who told you that and you believed it.
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/Jinn.ht...
"The Jinn(something hidden or which cannot be seen)"

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki10...
"Etymology and definitions
Jinn is a word of the collective number in Arabic, derived from the Arabic root j-n-n meaning 'to hide' or 'be hidden'. Other words derived from this root are majn&#363;n 'mad'(literally,'one whose intellect is hidden'), jun&#363;n 'madness', and jan&#299;n 'embryo, fetus'('hidden inside the womb').[4]

"The Arabic root j-n-n means 'to hide, conceal'. A word for garden or Paradise, &#1580;&#1606;&#16 17;&#1577; jannah, is a cognate of the Hebrew word &#1490;&#1503; gan 'garden', derived from the same Semitic root. In arid climates, gardens have to be protected against desertification by walls; this is the same concept as in the word paradise from pairi-daêza, an Avestan word for garden that literally means 'having walls built around'. Thus the protection of a garden behind walls implies its being hidden from the outside. Arabic lexicons such as Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon define jinn not only as spirits, but also anything concealed through time, status, and even physical darkness.[5]"
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204398 Mar 29, 2014
So now, BMZ understands the etymology of the word Jinn better than scholars from Princeton. No surprise there. They are stupid,. They cannot guess what BMZ will make up, so that they can say the same thing and be right like BMZ.

Remember folks, this is the same guy who boasts how well he knows Arabic. I guess Princeton University should have asked BMZ first before writing anything
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204399 Mar 29, 2014
Some more examples for BMZrow

http://wahiduddin.net/words/arabic_glossary.h...
"j-n-n to hide, conceal, put under cover
(janna, junna, junûn, jinn, jinnî)"

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...

There's an entire list of details for the word, and not one single one of them say laborer. Not even one.
LiLyknows

Quitman, TX

#204400 Mar 29, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Again a vain post!
Jesus was not named Immanuel, so don't make him Immanuel. That boy was the son of Ahaz. And Ahaz was not Joseph, the son of a Jew named David.
There is no talk of a messiah or Word of God or salvation in Isaiah 7. It has nothing to do with the son of my dearest mother Mary.
He wasn't named the "Messiah" either, it was a descriptive title like "Immanuel" that meant 'God with us" born to a virgin as a sign from God, which was the prophecy claimed for him as the Messiah.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel [Translated from Hebrew: God with us].

And she who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration (min roohina =spirit) and ***made her and her son a sign*** for the nations. 21:91.

And We made the son of Marium and his mother ***a sign***... 23:50.

So I'll ask you again. What was the sign of the virgin and her son? That he would be the 'Immanuel'(God with us)! So your own book incoherently refers to it but the answer is absent in the koran itself to 'confirm' this very important claim it made (that he was the Messiah):

When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one)****whose name is the Messiah***... 3:45.

leaving you to only conjecture, in the same way that you conjecture erroneously about the identity of God's OWN Spirit (which is also absent from your koran along with the divine inspiration).
I KEEL U 2 DETH

Lowell, MA

#204401 Mar 29, 2014
I just had to repeat this blunder one more time because it's such a bad and obvious blunder right underneath everyone's nose bit they miss it.

This is quoting the Jinn

14 And that some of us are those who submit, and some of us are the deviators; so whoever submits, these aim at the right way:
15 And as to the deviators, they are fuel of hell:
16 And that if they should keep to the (right) way, We would certainly give them to drink of abundant watery

Can anybody tell me how a being that is supposed to be made of smokeless flame and scorching winds is supposed to burn in hell and be fuel for a flame? Can anybody tell me why a being made of smokeless flame would ever want water? I think it would want anything BUT water. Muhammad accidentally applied human characteristics to the Jinn of being made by burnable flesh that consumes water rather than smokeless flame and scorching winds. He forgot the characteristics that the beings he was talking about are supposed to have.
LiLyknows

Quitman, TX

#204402 Mar 29, 2014
I KEEL U 2 DETH wrote:
Some more examples for BMZrow
http://wahiduddin.net/words/arabic_glossary.h...
"j-n-n to hide, conceal, put under cover
(janna, junna, junûn, jinn, jinnî)"
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...
There's an entire list of details for the word, and not one single one of them say laborer. Not even one.
He's totally relying on plagiarized jewish legends for this. Too bad moh didn't finish the story of Solomon and the flying carpet lol:

And (We made subservient) to Sulaiman the wind blowing violent, pursuing its course by his command to the land which We had blessed, and We are knower of ail things. 21:81.

Solomon had a precious piece of tapestry, sixty miles square, on which he flew through the air so swiftly that he could eat breakfast in Damascus and supper in Media. To carry out his orders he had at his beck and call Asaph ben Berechiah (77) among men, Ramirat among demons, the lion among beasts, and the eagle among birds. Once it happened that pride possessed Solomon while he was sailing through the air on his carpet, and he said: "There is none like unto me in the world, upon whom God has bestowed sagacity, wisdom, intelligence, and knowledge, besides making me the ruler of the world." The same instant the air stirred, and forty thousand men dropped from the magic carpet. The king ordered the wind to cease from blowing, with the word: "Return!" Whereupon the wind: "If thou wilt return to God, and subdue thy pride, I, too, will return." The king realized his transgression.

http://philologos.org/__eb-lotj/vol4/p05.htm#...

That story is followed by the story of Solomon and the talking ants (that moh also took). Actually everything about Solomon's adventures (fictional) originate from those tales including that he commanded demons (and animals) etc to perform labor. Moh just changed the word demons to jinns and changed them to be another creation by misunderstanding a term:

"Thou didst create us angels from the splendor of the Shekinah, and now Thou dost command us to cast ourselves down before the creature which Thou didst fashion out of the dust of the ground!"

http://philologos.org/__eb-lotj/vol1/two.htm#...

Which led to moh imagining something created from a flame of fire, so he deviated from the stories to suit himself.
LiLyknows

Quitman, TX

#204403 Mar 29, 2014
I KEEL U 2 DETH wrote:
I just had to repeat this blunder one more time because it's such a bad and obvious blunder right underneath everyone's nose bit they miss it.
This is quoting the Jinn
14 And that some of us are those who submit, and some of us are the deviators; so whoever submits, these aim at the right way:
15 And as to the deviators, they are fuel of hell:
16 And that if they should keep to the (right) way, We would certainly give them to drink of abundant watery
Can anybody tell me how a being that is supposed to be made of smokeless flame and scorching winds is supposed to burn in hell and be fuel for a flame? Can anybody tell me why a being made of smokeless flame would ever want water? I think it would want anything BUT water. Muhammad accidentally applied human characteristics to the Jinn of being made by burnable flesh that consumes water rather than smokeless flame and scorching winds. He forgot the characteristics that the beings he was talking about are supposed to have.
Quoted the jinn via the source a tree:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 005, Book 058, Hadith Number 199.
Sahih Bukhari Book 58. Merits of the Helpers in Madina (Ansaar)
Print

Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Rahee m
Narated By 'Abdur-Rahman : "I asked Masruq,'Who informed the Prophet about the Jinns at the night when they heard the Qur'an?' He said,'Your father 'Abdullah informed me that a tree informed the Prophet about them.'"

http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/91/4...

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