Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256424 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#195761 Nov 25, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Seeker has exhibited the traits of Jesus. Typical Christians exhibit the traits of Jesus' followers who perverted his message. Jesus turned the other cheek. He loved his neighbor. You are one of the followers who have perverted Jesus' message. You spew hate. Jesus exhibited love.
No one has brought more believers to the mono-theistic G-d of Abraham than the Jew, Jesus.
You are SICK.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195762 Nov 25, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Seeker has exhibited the traits of Jesus. Typical Christians exhibit the traits of Jesus' followers who perverted his message. Jesus turned the other cheek. He loved his neighbor. You are one of the followers who have perverted Jesus' message. You spew hate. Jesus exhibited love.
No one has brought more believers to the mono-theistic G-d of Abraham than the Jew, Jesus.
Muslims like MUQ might dispute your assertion.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#195763 Nov 25, 2013
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text>Muslims like MUQ might dispute your assertion.
Indeed!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#195764 Nov 25, 2013
Eric wrote:
Seeker has exhibited the traits of Jesus. Typical Christians exhibit the traits of Jesus' followers who perverted his message. Jesus turned the other cheek. He loved his neighbor.

You are one of the followers who have perverted Jesus' message. You spew hate. Jesus exhibited love.

No one has brought more believers to the mono-theistic G-d of Abraham than the Jew, Jesus.
I beg to disagree with your praise of Seeker. I like Seeker. However, Seeker falls under the category of Jesus' so-called perverted followers as described by you, Eric. Jesus did not talk like Seeker.

Jesus himself brought no one to the God of Abraham. The Israelites or the Jews as they were called by the writers of the NT, were already firm believers in the one God of Abraham.

It is the Church, installed by wicked generations of men, that has brought more believers to the triune God of Christianity, not the God of Abraham.

Do you believe that the God of Abraham was triune? Please answer this question honestly.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#195766 Nov 25, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it wasn't sarcasm. You have already demonstrated that you do not have a good grasp or understanding of the concept of sarcasm.
<quoted text>
Yes I was asking about the norm, and as it turns out, BMZ said the norm is around 6:30 or so, just like it is most everywhere else. Let me fill you in on what I was actually getting at, since you don't read between the lines very well. I will be as careful and explicit as possible, as I now realize that you need that so that you don't get confused.
I was asking about whether that was the norm in Singapore because it seemed odd for someone to be eating dinner at that time, although certainly not impossible. The reason why I asked is that BMZ has a habit of leaving when he is asked the right questions and his own logic starts to corner him. The reason why he does this, is that if he comes back the next day, which is exactly what he did, rather than coming back after his dinner, then there will be tons more posts added to dilute the conversation, and he hopes that people will forgot about the specific questions he was asked and the position he found himself in. And that is exactly what he did yesterday, once again. And if you notice, when he came back today, he did not pick things up where they were left off. This is so the issue just kind of disappears so that nobody sees that he couldn't answer the specific questions put to him.
So this is why I asked why it was such a late dinner because dinner time just so happened to be when his logic was just starting to paint him into a corner. He might have actually been having dinner at that time, but given what he always does when the heat gets turned up, I suspected that he was actually leaving for the night, for the exact reasons I mentioned above, and had no intentions at all of returning right after dinner, even though he said he would.
This is so that the issues he was being specifically asked about, melt away in the midst of multiple posts that other people make later. It's a typical tactic, and he has many of them. One would think that when he returned today, the first thing he would do is to pick things up exactly where they were left off, but he didn't and he never does, unless he thinks he actually has a good answer. But if he doesn't, he picks up somewhere else and continues on as though the hard questions were never even asked to him. And he doesn't think that people will notice it.
That is about as detailed and clear as I can possibly explain it to you.
Seeker,

You have not commented on my following post, which was addressed to Buford and also posted to you for your 'esteemed' comments:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...

Are you waiting to see it get buried among the heap of posts, so that you can pretend as if you never saw it? lol!
Eric

Downers Grove, IL

#195767 Nov 25, 2013
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text>Muslims like MUQ might dispute your assertion.
I am sure he would. But, add it up. How many Christians from 33 CE to the present? How many Muslims from 600 CE to the present? Not even close. And, a lot of the Muslims are converted Christians. So, the already believed in the mono-theistic G-d of Abraham before they converted.
Eric

Downers Grove, IL

#195768 Nov 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
You are SICK.
I just love to rattle your chains. Brings joy to my heart.
Eric

Downers Grove, IL

#195769 Nov 25, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>

Do you believe that the God of Abraham was triune? Please answer this question honestly.
No, but you are splitting hairs.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#195770 Nov 25, 2013
Eric wrote:
No, but you are splitting hairs.
Your said No to my question "Do you believe that the God of Abraham was triune?" and I am glad you said that.

I am not splitting hairs. There is a huge difference between the God of Abraham and the alleged triune God of Christianity.

It is not a small or an unimportant difference. So, you cannot say that I was splitting hairs.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#195771 Nov 25, 2013
Correction, Eric

Should read:

You said No to my question "Do you believe that the God of Abraham was triune?" and I am glad you said that.

I am not splitting hairs. There is a huge difference between the God of Abraham and the alleged triune God of Christianity.

It is not a small or an unimportant difference. So, you cannot say that I was splitting hairs.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#195772 Nov 25, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!! Sure, because he calls me a liar and a dumb bitch. LOL!!! So too funny.
LOL!
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#195773 Nov 25, 2013
- Paul
- the PSEUDOnymous authors of letters and tragedy drama called the "New Testament"
- and the (Edomite) church fathers

these were the culprits responsible for perverting Jesus' Reform Judaism
while his true followers went down in church history as one of those "heretics" and any legacy of their writings wiped off

to label Christianity as monotheistic is very laughable
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#195774 Nov 25, 2013
Truth Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha HA HA..MUQ, you seen really worried man....In your tone, I can sense tinge of doubt in your own faith...
I am not surprised, any ways a false fabrication can not stand a scrutiny...for long...I will further expose your so called Book & it's author and your defenses are very weak my friend....
Every one is "criticizing my book for past 1400 years"....that is the easiest job in the world.

What no one has been capable of bringing another book like it, or ten chapter like or even one chapter like it!!

When the challenge is set, only then one finds out what is truth and what is false hood.

Keep trying my friend, keep trying, there is no harm in it. So many people spit on sun, only it falls back on their own faces.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#195775 Nov 25, 2013
uhuh wrote:
- Paul
- the PSEUDOnymous authors of letters and tragedy drama called the "New Testament"

- and the (Edomite) church fathers

these were the culprits responsible for perverting Jesus' Reform Judaism
while his true followers went down in church history as one of those "heretics" and any legacy of their writings wiped off

to label Christianity as monotheistic is very laughable
Indeed, uhuh.

In fact, looking at the teachings of the Church, calling Christianity monotheistic is an insult to the Church.

Thanks for clarifying that, uhuh.
Truth Seeker

New Delhi, India

#195776 Nov 25, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Every one is "criticizing my book for past 1400 years"....that is the easiest job in the world.
What no one has been capable of bringing another book like it, or ten chapter like or even one chapter like it!!
When the challenge is set, only then one finds out what is truth and what is false hood.
Keep trying my friend, keep trying, there is no harm in it. So many people spit on sun, only it falls back on their own faces.
"Karmanye Vadhikaraste, Ma phaleshou kada chana,
Ma Karma Phala Hetur Bhurmatey Sangostva Akarmani" (Geeta 2:47)

Meaning of Above Verse from God -"You have the right to perform your actions, but you are not to covet the fruits of the actions.Do not let the fruit be the purpose of your actions, and therefore you wont be attached to not doing your duty."

Purport-There are three considerations here: prescribed duties, capricious work, and inaction. Prescribed duties are activities enjoined in terms of one's acquired material nature. Capricious work means actions without the sanction of authority, and inaction means not performing one's prescribed duties. The Lord advised us to not be inactive, but that we perform our prescribed duty without being attached to the result. One who is attached to the result of his work is also the cause of the action. Thus he is the enjoyer or sufferer of the result of such actions.
As far as prescribed duties are concerned, they can be fitted into three subdivisions, namely routine work, emergency work and desired activities. Routine work performed as an obligation in terms of the scriptural injunctions, without desire for results, is action in the mode of goodness. Work with results becomes the cause of bondage; therefore such work is not auspicious. Everyone has his proprietary right in regard to prescribed duties, but should act without attachment to the result; such disinterested obligatory duties doubtlessly lead one to the path of liberation.

This is what is my learning and that is why I seek and propagate truth for the truth's sake alone. I do not look for any fruits of my actions. The action itself is my motivation.
A true god does not bribe it's followers with a lucrative life in heaven but teaches true philosophy for leading a sin less life.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#195777 Nov 25, 2013
Truth Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
"Karmanye Vadhikaraste, Ma phaleshou kada chana,
Ma Karma Phala Hetur Bhurmatey Sangostva Akarmani" (Geeta 2:47)
.
Before Quoting from Geeta, first let us know who wrote Geeta and what is its position amongst Hindu Scriptures.

You first rank your Scriptures according to authorities they have, then start quoting from them.

It is very common practice of Hindus to "jump" from one book to another and keep on confusing themselves and others.

First list out your books and then rate them in order of authority and then you can quote from them.

From what info I have, Geeta is a "very late composition" in list of Hindu Scriptures, but to Modern Hindus, it has become the "Ultimate authority" because of the language and mystic way in which it is written.

Same like the Gospel of John, which is the "darling of Pauline Christians" because of the allegorical language it uses.

I think it is Islam and ONLY Islam, which has an organized system of how to rate Scriptures and how to preserve them!!
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#195778 Nov 25, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed, uhuh.
In fact, looking at the teachings of the Church, calling Christianity monotheistic is an insult to the Church.
Thanks for clarifying that, uhuh.
I think by Christianity you mean Pauline Christianity. There has been a Monotheistic Church also who says that Jesus was a Prophet of God.

Salaams

MUQ
Truth Seeker

New Delhi, India

#195779 Nov 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Before Quoting from Geeta, first let us know who wrote Geeta and what is its position amongst Hindu Scriptures.
You first rank your Scriptures according to authorities they have, then start quoting from them.
It is very common practice of Hindus to "jump" from one book to another and keep on confusing themselves and others.
First list out your books and then rate them in order of authority and then you can quote from them.
From what info I have, Geeta is a "very late composition" in list of Hindu Scriptures, but to Modern Hindus, it has become the "Ultimate authority" because of the language and mystic way in which it is written.
Same like the Gospel of John, which is the "darling of Pauline Christians" because of the allegorical language it uses.
I think it is Islam and ONLY Islam, which has an organized system of how to rate Scriptures and how to preserve them!!
Geeta was directly spoken by God to One of His greatest Devotees, and as per the estimates, the Geeta in written form was composed around 400~500 BCE. But that does not matter, what matters is the message, teaching and universality og each of the revelations. That is the Benchmark for deciding whether the revelation are from selfish human beings or, from self less God.

Let's Look at the present Verse in Question, does it not convey a universal philosophy for success and peace in life. It was as much applicable in 5th Century BCE as it is today.

Let's take look at the work of those who look for fruitive results of pleasure full life in Heaven / Fearful life of Hell fire prescribed in Quran -

Taimur's Invasion of India in his Own Account:

Motivation: About the year 800 A.H.(1398 A.D.), there arose in my heart the desire to lead an expedition against the infidels and to become a Champion of the Faith, for it had reached my ears that the slayer of infidels is a Champion and that, if he is slain, he becomes a martyr. It was for this reason that I formed my resolution, but I was undetermined in my mind whether I should direct my expedition against the infidels of China or against the infidels and polytheists of India. In this matter I sought an omen from the Koran, and the verse to which I opened was this:“O Prophet, make war upon infidels and unbelievers, and treat them with severity.”

The Final Carnage in the City of Delhi:On the sixteenth of the month (Dec. 26), certain incidents occurred which led to the sack of the city of Delhi and to the slaughter of many of the infidel inhabitants. One was this. A party of fierce Turkish soldiers had assembled at one of the gates of the city to look about them and enjoy themselves, and some of them had laid riotous hands upon the goods of the inhabitants. When I heard of this violence, I sent some amirs, who were present in Delhi, to restrain the Turks, and a party of soldiers accompanied these officers into the city. Another reason was that some of the ladies of my harem expressed a wish to go into the city and see the Palace of a Thousand Columns

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which Malik Jauna had built in the fort called Jahanpanah. I granted this request, and I sent a party of soldiers to escort the litters of the ladies. Another reason was that Jalal Islam and other officials had entered Delhi with a party of soldiers to collect the contribution laid upon the city. Another reason was that some thousand troopers with orders for grain, oil, sugar, and flour had gone into the city to collect these supplies. Another reason was that it had come to my knowledge that great numbers of Hindus and infidels had come into the city from all the country round with their wives and children, and goods and valuables, and consequently I had sent some amirs with their regiments into Delhi and directed them to pay no attention to the remonstrances of the inhabitants, but to seize these fugitives and bring them out.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#195780 Nov 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think by Christianity you mean Pauline Christianity. There has been a Monotheistic Church also who says that Jesus was a Prophet of God.
Salaams
MUQ
God is a "TRIUNE" unity of One!
We are made in the image of God!
The teachings of Muhammad are falsehoods.

The Quran is not the eternal word of God.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195781 Nov 26, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I beg to disagree with your praise of Seeker. I like Seeker. However, Seeker falls under the category of Jesus' so-called perverted followers as described by you, Eric. Jesus did not talk like Seeker.
Actually, Jesus could be very critical sometimes, if he thought the person deserved it. But he didn't use words like dumb bitch.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus himself brought no one to the God of Abraham. The Israelites or the Jews as they were called by the writers of the NT, were already firm believers in the one God of Abraham.
He was talking about non Jews. The message of Jesus lead to the largest religion in the world, and Judaism is it's basis. Any Christian cannot deny that Judaism is it's basis, even if they are Jew haters. And Jesus was a Jew, not a Muslim. No Judaism, no Christianity.

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