Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256295 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

Alex WM

London, UK

#195638 Nov 24, 2013
Wise advice?

Here is some advice. The only way to recognize rampant Christian tampering of the Bible is to read the passage in the original Hebrew language, without the biased filter of the Christian translator. Therefore, give your children a good Jewish education.

Remember, the success of groups like Jews for Jesus represents the unpaid bills of the Jewish people.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195639 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
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Seeker, where were the disciples when that man called him "teacher"?
Why didn't they cut his ear off for not calling him "Lord".
Perhaps he was a Secret Lord!
In a way, he was. That is kind of what the scriptures allude to. He didn't seem to want to bother to make claims to anybody, he wanted people to arrive at that conclusion themselves, as far as we can tell by the scriptures themselves. This might even be why when the authorities asked him if he was the Messiah, he said YOU have said it. This seemed to be the way he wanted to do things, and I can see the reason why and I explained it to you.

"13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples,“Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied,“Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked.“Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered,“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied,“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

It seems like he thought that there is no reason to bother to make claims about himself to people that had no faith anyway and he seemed to think that was pointless. And i suppose that I would agree. Again, look at how pointless Jimmie Roswell's claims are?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195640 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
Wise advice?
Now after what I just said above, why would you bother to give me advice? If I am wise, I think that I should usually do the opposite of what you suggest. So why would you bother to give me advice when you know that I have no faith in your reasoning abilities?

I have to admit, that sometimes I go back and forth about whether I need to believe in the Trinity or not. It's not an outright requirement for a Christian to do so, although the vast majority of them do. The only true requirement is to accept Jesus' sacrifice on the cross and his resurrection.

But when Muhammad made such an effort to smash the Trinity and thought it was so important to do that, that starts to make me think that the Trinity is actually a correct idea and I better think twice before I discard it. Maybe it was a correct, God inspired, interpolation from the scriptures. Interpolations are not automatically wrong.
Alex WM

London, UK

#195641 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Again, I was merely stating what they called him and that he never corrected them for calling him that. I have also explained to you in the past, how it is almost pointless for someone to proclaim themselves as something because that will merely be looked at as the person being self serving in their claims. It is far more important for OTHERS to make a claim about someone than it is for the person themselves to make a claim about themselves.
I can claim I am a prophet or even God all that I want, and what difference would it make? It doesn't really mean much until others actually believe me and start calling me that. Look at Jimmie Roswell. Is he Adam/Noah/Jesus all rolled up into one merely because he claims he is?
Jesus was not stupid, and he wouldn't do things like YOU think that he should have. If he did, then I wouldn't believe he was legit and would lose confidence in that. In fact, if ANYBODY did and said things and thought like YOU think they should, I would lose confidence in them. I would think that there was something wrong with them. Thank God you rarely agree with me, if ever, because the day you start agreeing with me a lot, I better double check what I am saying.
Sure Seeker, according to you BJ was not stupid and he did NOT want Jews to believe that he was God!
He was "god" only to 12 men and not to others.
Therefore, BJ must have wanted just the 12 men to worship him but nobody else was expected to worship him!
Jimmy has reached out to MORE people than BJ during his life time on earth and that is a FACT....
Seems highly unlikely that BJ’s Jewish followers would have addressed him as the "LORD God"; that would have been seen by others as blasphemy.
The Gospels tell us how volatile the Judean crowds could have been: Some were hostile to BJ (Matt 13.57), even all out to lynch him (Luke 4.28–29).
The angry mob would have reacted furiously if they had heard him being called LORD God; That would have been a good reason to vent their anger against BJ! The chief priests and Pharisees would have arrested BJ if they knew that his followers had hailed him as LORD (God). The Gospels clearly tell us that the chief priests were desperately looking for a reason to take BJ out of circulation and blasphemy by his disciples would have been a very good excuse

And yet nothing in the Gospels suggests anyone ever got angry about BJ being hailed as "LORD" (God).

Therefore, when BJ’s boys called him "Lord," no one imagined that they were referring to him as LORD God! Many saw him as a Jewish Don Quixote.
Alex WM

London, UK

#195642 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Also Alex,
Muhammad was not stupid enough to make pointless, self serving claims about himself. He was smart enough to have his Allah hand puppet make those claims about him in a book that Muhammad himself was creating. LOL!!!
# Here is what Jesus said.
"And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the apostle of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Apostle who will come after me, his name being Ahmad,"
Tah dah!!! Allah Kazam!!! Presto!!! Jesus predicted Muhammad's coming. See? It's easy. Do you believe me? Do you believe me? If you don't, you will drink molten brass in hell, so you better believe me.
The same glove puppet seems to make great claims about Jesus in the "book written by Muhammed" with Jesus being mentioned more times than Muhammed! Reflect on that.

You will realise one day that Jesus Pbuh did predict CORRECTLY the arrival of Muhammed Pbuh.
There is no other prophet since the departure of Jesus 2000 years ago, who declared such a powerful message of monotheism.
Jesus was not successful in passing the monotheistic message because he has ended up as "god" in the eyes of ignorant people.
Thanks to Muhammed pbuh, we are able to educate the ignorant mangod worshippers.
Alex WM

London, UK

#195643 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Now after what I just said above, why would you bother to give me advice? If I am wise, I think that I should usually do the opposite of what you suggest. So why would you bother to give me advice when you know that I have no faith in your reasoning abilities?
I have to admit, that sometimes I go back and forth about whether I need to believe in the Trinity or not. It's not an outright requirement for a Christian to do so, although the vast majority of them do. The only true requirement is to accept Jesus' sacrifice on the cross and his resurrection.
But when Muhammad made such an effort to smash the Trinity and thought it was so important to do that, that starts to make me think that the Trinity is actually a correct idea and I better think twice before I discard it. Maybe it was a correct, God inspired, interpolation from the scriptures. Interpolations are not automatically wrong.
I have already proved to others that Quran smashes Trinity in the most brilliant fashion. I refuse to repeat it here in a hurry. I gave those details to you in your previous birth as "arnold"!

I am glad you have your doubts about the non existent trinity.

My question would have been "what is the current job of god the son" (watching daddy make footstools?)?

Like you doubt the trinity...you will soon doubt the divinity of BJ...and finally know that there is no such thing as blood sacrifice! That represents evil cannibalism following a grotesque human sacrifice.

Even the JW's brand new bible has thrown out Mark 16:9-20!!!

Therefore, there is not a shred of reliable evidence for resurrection. It is a hoax. You know deep within that Matt and Luke were almost wholesale copies of Mark with the writers of John making up their fairy tale nearly 100+ years after the "passing " of BJ.

Your blind faith prevents you from seeing a very simple fact.
The man was in hiding.
He got caught, got beaten up, stripped naked, spat upon and was nailed to/tied to a pole to die like a stray animal.
That is no great sacrifice here, but an abysmal failure of the mission through a multitude of blunders.
The writers made up the "sacrifice" story after the event.
Alex WM

London, UK

#195644 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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16 Simon Peter answered,“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
By now you must know that Jews never believe that their Messiah is going to be THE Son of the living God!!
The proof is in the eating!
Ask them NOW!
Ask Eric,
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195645 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure Seeker, according to you BJ was not stupid and he did NOT want Jews to believe that he was God!
I didn't say that at all, I said it is pointless to make claims about one's self very much if people are merely going to see them as self serving declarations anyway. Why do you force yourself to purposefully misunderstand what I say?
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
He was "god" only to 12 men and not to others.
Therefore, BJ must have wanted just the 12 men to worship him but nobody else was expected to worship him!
Jimmy has reached out to MORE people than BJ during his life time on earth and that is a FACT....
LOL!!! You didn't actually just bring Jimmie up and compare him to Jesus, did you? LOL!!! If I had any confidence chips for your reasoning abilities at all, I would have lost another one after that statement. And I don't see Jimmie going around and healing the sick and the blind. Do you? I don't see Jimmie going around making wonderful speeches such as the Sermon on the Mount to large crowds of people. Do you? I see Jimmie simply make the same exact crabbee rabbee delusion rants over and over again on a tiny meaningless forum, where he is the only correct person on earth. Don't forget something. You too are condemned in his eyes, or maybe I should say his crossed eyes. Jimmie is only here because he has a captive audience and he at least gets a little bit of attention that he can never get in real life, and he is free to keep repeating the same exact nonsense over and over again as long as he wants to, whether anybody wants him to or not.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems highly unlikely that BJ’s Jewish followers would have addressed him as the "LORD God"; that would have been seen by others as blasphemy.
It sure would. Why do you think the Jewish authorities clearly thought Jesus was blasphemous and was misleading everyone?
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
The Gospels tell us how volatile the Judean crowds could have been: Some were hostile to BJ (Matt 13.57), even all out to lynch him (Luke 4.28–29).
The angry mob would have reacted furiously if they had heard him being called LORD God;
No, they would go after the person who they were calling this, and ask that person why he does not correct them for calling him that. And also, I don't see where they even publicly called him that. It seems like when Jesus spoke, they remained silent and then would privately ask him questions. They didn't do any preaching. Why would they when Jesus was still there himself? They did that after he left.

6 Therefore Jesus told them,“My time is not yet here; for you any time will do. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil.

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them,“I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied,“but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
That would have been a good reason to vent their anger against BJ!
According to who? You?

30 At this they tried to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him, because his hour had not yet come. 31 Still, many in the crowd believed in him. They said,“When the Messiah comes, will he perform more signs than this man?”

45 Finally the temple guards went back to the chief priests and the Pharisees, who asked them,“Why didn’t you bring him in?”
46 “No one ever spoke the way this man does,” the guards replied.
47 “You mean he has deceived you also?” the Pharisees retorted. 48 “Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him? 49 No! But this mob that knows nothing of the law—there is a curse on them.”

Seems like they would have to start arresting a whole mob. So arresting his followers would do no good, Jesus himself had to be taken out.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195646 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
I have already proved to others that Quran smashes Trinity in the most brilliant fashion.
Alex, you seem to be the only person here who thinks that you do anything in a brilliant fashion. Why is it always the stupid ones that are their own best cheerleaders? Have you been paying attention to what I said about the pointlessness of making self serving claims? Obviously not.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
I am glad you have your doubts about the non existent trinity.
What I actually said was that the more Muhammad attacked it, the more that I began to think twice before I discard it. In my mind, his attacks give it more creedence. Muhammad was a very shallow thinker and he made tons of logical errors and even factual ones as well. If one identifies an idiot, one should usually do the opposite of what they say.
Alex WM wrote:
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My question would have been "what is the current job of god the son" (watching daddy make footstools?)?
Oh, I didn't know that Jesus had to be employed in heaven. Maybe he gets a pay check too. Look at how utterly stupid your general mentality is.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Like you doubt the trinity...you will soon doubt the divinity of BJ
I explained to you numerous times exactly how and why I think that Jesus can be called God, and also be called Son of God and yet it can be said that the Father is greater. But you don;'t like it because it doesn't fit into your shallow, elementary box that you call thinking. it's not my fault that deeper concepts bother you, but they do, and that is why Islam is perfect for you. It is perfect for blunt, shallow thinkers who need every single detail to be spelled out for them.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
...and finally know that there is no such thing as blood sacrifice! That represents evil cannibalism following a grotesque human sacrifice.
Even the JW's brand new bible has thrown out Mark 16:9-20!!!
Therefore, there is not a shred of reliable evidence for resurrection. It is a hoax. You know deep within that Matt and Luke were almost wholesale copies of Mark with the writers of John making up their fairy tale nearly 100+ years after the "passing " of BJ.
If they were copies of Mark, then why did they have the resurrection in them? There is nothing that says that Mark never had the resurrection in it. It was found incomplete and the verses you spoke of were missing. But everyone agrees that there were verses missing as it is very awkward for it to end where it did. So clearly, it's ending was missing. So they took what you just said were wholesale copies of Mark and assumed that this was what the missing parts said.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Your blind faith prevents you from seeing a very simple fact.
The man was in hiding.
He got caught, got beaten up, stripped naked, spat upon and was nailed to/tied to a pole to die like a stray animal.
Boy, you really, really do have a deep seeded hatred for Jesus. You better hope the story isn't true or you're going to be in an unusual amount of trouble. Far more than most others. I've heard people deny the truth of the story, but never in such a rabid, foul manner that you do. There really is some sort of weird, deep seeded hatred going on in you, fueled by a weird, twisted obsession for pornography.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
That is no great sacrifice here, but an abysmal failure of the mission through a multitude of blunders.
The writers made up the "sacrifice" story after the event.
Sure, God makes plans that fail. And then God learns from his mistakes and makes better plans next time. God was wrong to pick Jesus as a prophet and wrong in his plans for Jesus. But that's okay, God learned from his mistakes and his failed plan and corrected all of that with Muhammad. Do you honestly read what you are saying and even think about it for even one moment?
Alex WM

London, UK

#195647 Nov 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>In all of Jesus teachings Jesus never mentioned the word "Muslim" nor did Jesus ever recite the the 5 Pillars of Muhammad's religion of Islam to the disciples.
Muslims quote:GOD Almighty Said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?'(From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The question then is why if Allah knew the Jews corrupted the Scriptures why did Allah send Jesus just as a sign and not as a prophet like Muhammad?
Didn't Allah already have the eternal word of the Quran in His possession before Allah sent Jesus?
Then why didn't Allah send the Quran to Moses?
Why did Allah teach Moses the religion of the Israelites instead of the religion of Islam?
It seems Alex Allah is confused as how he wants to be worshiped.
Here you are... something to work on.... hope you understand a bit of hebrew or any semitic language... yep...Jesus for all intents and purposes was a Muslim
Alex WM

London, UK

#195648 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Alex, you seem to be the only person here who thinks that you do anything in a brilliant fashion. Why is it always the stupid ones that are their own best cheerleaders? Have you been paying attention to what I said about the pointlessness of making self serving claims? Obviously not.
I wouldn’t dream of pulling that rug from under your feet, Seeker.
You are the “brilliant” know all!
Do you wish me to list all your claims or shall I let you find them..?
Alex WM

London, UK

#195649 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I didn't know that Jesus had to be employed in heaven. Maybe he gets a pay check too. Look at how utterly stupid your general mentality is.
Ok then…..tell us what, god the son, the third leg of the trinity tripod, is supposed to be doing these days. And provide correct scriptures to prove your claim!
What is the purpose of an “eternal” trinity with a “dead” son!!
Alex WM

London, UK

#195650 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
I explained to you numerous times exactly how and why I think that Jesus can be called God, and also be called Son of God and yet it can be said that the Father is greater. But you don;'t like it because it doesn't fit into your shallow, elementary box that you call thinking. it's not my fault that deeper concepts bother you, but they do, and that is why Islam is perfect for you. It is perfect for blunt, shallow thinkers who need every single detail to be spelled out for them.
Seeker, I can use your “logic” to turn any person into “god”!
The FACT remains, Jesus the humble slave of God who led a puny life on puny planet earth was not arrogant enough to call himself God of many universes!
Jesus was not God Jesus is not God and Jesus will never be God.
And Jesus knows it.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195651 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok then…..tell us what, god the son, the third leg of the trinity tripod, is supposed to be doing these days. And provide correct scriptures to prove your claim!
What is the purpose of an “eternal” trinity with a “dead” son!!
How am I supposed to say what anybody does in heaven? How would I know? What a stupid question that is, but it shows something about your general mentality and approach to things. Gee, maybe Jesus sits around and makes tiny little metal crosses for Christians to wear, and manages the shipping department and Gabriel does all of the delivery. Do you think that sounds stupid? Of course it does, but it is actually no more stupid than your questions are.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195652 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn’t dream of pulling that rug from under your feet, Seeker.
You are the “brilliant” know all!
Do you wish me to list all your claims or shall I let you find them..?
You won't find one single one where I call myself brilliant, nor refer to anything that I say as brilliant. Not even one, and I know that because that simply is not my nature, and I know how stupid of a folly it would be for one to refer to themselves as brilliant. Again, that's for other people to judge. Like I said, why is it always the idiots that are their own best cheerleaders?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195653 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker, I can use your “logic” to turn any person into “god”!
No you can't. Everybody else has sinned. Even Moses sinned and that is why God denied allowing him into the Holy Land. Ask a Jew about that and they will tell you. But theoretically, according to my theory, anybody could be a physical manifestation of God, if they were sinless, perfect, and did not have any will of their own at all and everything that they did, EVERYTHING that they did, was not their will at all, but God doing his will through their physical form. But nobody, except for Jesus, is like that, and nobody ever will be. Even Moses sometimes did his own will. But if you notice, Jesus did not have to take time to think of the things he said, he said them right away as if they were being said THROUGH him. He didn't have to sleep on things and wait for Gabriel to give him a revelation.

37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

“You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied.“If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

“When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”

My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him.

7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said,“Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered:“Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say,‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me;

25 Jesus said to her,“I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied,“I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195654 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
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You will realise one day that Jesus Pbuh did predict CORRECTLY the arrival of Muhammed Pbuh.
Where? In the Quran?
Alex WM

London, UK

#195655 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
If they were copies of Mark, then why did they have the resurrection in them? There is nothing that says that Mark never had the resurrection in it. It was found incomplete and the verses you spoke of were missing. But everyone agrees that there were verses missing as it is very awkward for it to end where it did. So clearly, it's ending was missing. So they took what you just said were wholesale copies of Mark and assumed that this was what the missing parts said.
I am very disappointed in your “logic” seeker.
Why do you think it they found the incomplete ending to be very awkward?
Who decided to make these crazy verses up (including drinking poison and getting snakes to bite them…how many gullible folks would have deluded themselves into thinking that the holy ghost told them to drink poison and died)?
The fact remains they knew the long ending was a concoction/lie….

OR…..Why do you think they are removing Mark 16:9-20?

Forget all the convoluted “logic” and look at it in a pragmatic fashion.
Let’s say the scribes “used” Mark with longer ending and “adapted” it to create their “matts” and “lukes”.
If they don’t exactly admit that these are copies, won’t they look stupid trying to keep up with Mark!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195656 Nov 24, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
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That is no great sacrifice here, but an abysmal failure of the mission through a multitude of blunders.
This one needed repeating. So let's slowly step through the logic of what you are saying and look at the underlying implications.

1) Jesus was a prophet of God and therefore he was doing what God wanted him to do or planned for him to do or carrying out God's mission for him.

2) That means God selected Jesus to carry out God's mission

3) Jesus botched the mission through a multitude of failures

4) God picked the wrong guy for the job and Jesus botched it.

5) God sometimes doesn't know how to pick the right guy for the job.

6) God's mission failed because he picked the wrong guy for the job

7) God's missions can fail

8) God can fail

9) But God can learn and correct his past failures

10) God corrected his past failures with the Quran and by selecting the right guy for the job this time, which was Muhammad
Alex WM

London, UK

#195657 Nov 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
How am I supposed to say what anybody does in heaven? How would I know? What a stupid question that is, but it shows something about your general mentality and approach to things. Gee, maybe Jesus sits around and makes tiny little metal crosses for Christians to wear, and manages the shipping department and Gabriel does all of the delivery. Do you think that sounds stupid? Of course it does, but it is actually no more stupid than your questions are.
Seeker, you are not getting it!
Why on earth do you need a trinity now?
The son died (ghost and dad did not die) and is unemployed.
Get it?
That buries the trinity.
Your "god" is moving towards unity....and once you realise that "ghost" is an illusion.....you will be left with "father".....I can say to you "welcome to Islam"!!

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