Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 254838 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195370 Nov 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus loves you , Seeker.
For what it is worth I am not your enemy.
You never were. But remember something. Jesus was not all peace and flowers and Jesus could have a very sharp tongue when needed. When I see you appease people that tell false, pornographic stories about Jesus, and as long as they praise and bless you, you not only let that go, you actually defend them, then I have to wonder. I have said this before. Insult the NT Jesus, and you let that go. But insult YOU personally, and THEN you have a problem. But if they praise and bless the things you say here, then suddenly you refuse to challenge anything they say and you make excuses for what they say instead. So what is that supposed to tell any objective observer? You are the sellout, not me.

I know that Jesus doesn't need people to defend him, but I also notice that you defend people who attack the Jesus of the NT, while attacking those who take them to task, for taking them to task.

And still, to this very day, you refuse to even mention one single kind correction of this person, let alone give them what they actually deserve. And again, you are right. Jesus does not need anybody to defend him, but he also does not need people to bless the people who attack him. And you have made it very very clear that you are a Christian, and therefore as such, you believe in the NT version of Jesus, and that is precisely what Alex has been attacking. And you not only remain silent of this, you actually defend this behavior. And I know exactly why. He showers you with praise, and if you corrected him, you would lose that good feeling of praise. And Alex knows this. I often say he is crazy, but he's not stupid and he knows how to play manipulative games with unwitting people.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195371 Nov 20, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
When I talk about the living tadpole water, some people get angry.
What was a bachelor boy doing with a woman of ill repute ALONE after chasing off ALL the disciples without even giving them a drop of water to drink and AFTER making sure her hubby was out of the way? lol
BJ offers living tadpole water to a dodgy woman on her own in a culture that would put you to death for such things (meaning strict application of the law if somebody decided to shout "rape"!!).
The pagan writers got it wrong again!
The fact that your mind runs first to fornication/adultery when considering this Gospel passage is a damning indictment, EX-PRIEST, and you even have the gall to wonder why anyone would object to your perverted characterization of what of what Jesus was all about in this instance.

In short, you think like a sexual pervert because you ARE a sexual pervert.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#195372 Nov 20, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
You never were. But remember something. Jesus was not all peace and flowers and Jesus could have a very sharp tongue when needed. When I see you appease people that tell false, pornographic stories about Jesus, and as long as they praise and bless you, you not only let that go, you actually defend them, then I have to wonder. I have said this before. Insult the NT Jesus, and you let that go. But insult YOU personally, and THEN you have a problem. But if they praise and bless the things you say here, then suddenly you refuse to challenge anything they say and you make excuses for what they say instead. So what is that supposed to tell any objective observer? You are the sellout, not me.
I know that Jesus doesn't need people to defend him, but I also notice that you defend people who attack the Jesus of the NT, while attacking those who take them to task, for taking them to task.
And still, to this very day, you refuse to even mention one single kind correction of this person, let alone give them what they actually deserve. And again, you are right. Jesus does not need anybody to defend him, but he also does not need people to bless the people who attack him. And you have made it very very clear that you are a Christian, and therefore as such, you believe in the NT version of Jesus, and that is precisely what Alex has been attacking. And you not only remain silent of this, you actually defend this behavior. And I know exactly why. He showers you with praise, and if you corrected him, you would lose that good feeling of praise. And Alex knows this. I often say he is crazy, but he's not stupid and he knows how to play manipulative games with unwitting people.
Seeker--You never were.(my enemy)

HughBe--- ok

Seeker--- When I see you appease people that tell false, pornographic stories about Jesus, and as long as they praise and bless you, you not only let that go, you actually defend them, then I have to wonder. I have said this before. Insult the NT Jesus, and you let that go. But insult YOU personally, and THEN you have a problem.

HughBe--- That is why I am not Jesus.

Seeker-- But if they praise and bless the things you say here, then suddenly you refuse to challenge anything they say and you make excuses for what they say instead.

HughBe--- Trust me , you should pay closer attention to context.

Seeker-- So what is that supposed to tell any objective observer? You are the sellout, not me.

HughBe--- I am not a seller.

Seeker--I know that Jesus doesn't need people to defend him, but I also notice that you defend people who attack the Jesus of the NT, while attacking those who take them to task, for taking them to task.

HughBe--- noted

Seeker---And still, to this very day, you refuse to even mention one single kind correction of this person, let alone give them what they actually deserve. And again, you are right. Jesus does not need anybody to defend him, but he also does not need people to bless the people who attack him. And you have made it very very clear that you are a Christian, and therefore as such, you believe in the NT version of Jesus, and that is precisely what Alex has been attacking.

HughBe--- I have an unwavering conviction that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the God of Abraham.


Seeker--- And you not only remain silent of this, you actually defend this behavior.

HughBe--- Interpretation noted.

Seeker--- And I know exactly why. He showers you with praise, and if you corrected him, you would lose that good feeling of praise.And Alex knows this.

HughBe--- Amusing. Why would I seek the praise of someone of another religion over the praises of people who are on my side? It makes no sense to me.


Seeker--- I often say he is crazy, but he's not stupid and he knows how to play manipulative games with unwitting people

HughBe--- comical
Eric

Batavia, IL

#195373 Nov 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you really telling me that the first word in my quoted V'ahavta is YOU?
Explain the first part of the quote starting with THE and end with IS.
Knowing you explain this, "The NEXT VERSE FOLLOWING the Shema is called the V'ahavta.The English translation is:"
Based on the quote is BLESSED a part of Shema or V'ahavta?
"The NEXT VERSE FOLLOWING the Shema is called the V'ahavta.
The English translation is: Blessed be G-d’s Name and glorious kingdom forever and ever. You shall love the Lord your G-d with all your heart, with all your soul.....",
Hugh, I am not responsible for your source, which is incorrect. You went to the site of a Judaica store and expect to find theological truth. But you didn't.

The Sh'ma is two lines long.

The first line translated is "Hear, oh Israel, HaShem is G-d, HaShem is one."

The second line of the Sh'ma-using your quoted text-is "Blessed be G-d’s Name and glorious kingdom forever and ever."

Those TWO lines are the prayer known as the Sh'ma.

The remainder of your quoted excerpt begins the V'ahavta. Using your quoted text "You shall love the Lord your G-d with all your heart, with all your soul....."
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195374 Nov 20, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker....concerning the exchanges betweem brain surgeon buford and BMZ, there is nowhere in synotpic gospels any reference to NAILS being driven into a CROSS...lol.
There is something funny/"fishy" going on between the woman "alone" and BJ.
The disciples were not too comfortable...
Where does it say that they were not too comfortable in those verses?
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
they simply don't know BJ at all according to the gospels!
We can agree to disagree.
BJ did NOT come for non Jews.
The verses that we are actually discussing say otherwise. But you ignore the verses that say that.
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
The woman was not a Jew, but happens to be a fellow "israelite" being linked to Jacob. Yes/No?
I don't know for sure. Here are the actual verses.

19 “Sir,” the woman said,“I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied,“believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Matthew 8
5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marveled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195375 Nov 20, 2013
Alex WM wrote:
<quoted text>
When I talk about the living tadpole water, some people get angry.
What was a bachelor boy doing with a woman of ill repute ALONE after chasing off ALL the disciples without even giving them a drop of water to drink and AFTER making sure her hubby was out of the way? lol
BJ offers living tadpole water to a dodgy woman on her own in a culture that would put you to death for such things (meaning strict application of the law if somebody decided to shout "rape"!!).
The pagan writers got it wrong again!
The most telling thing, the damning indictment, is that your mind runs first to fornication/adultery when you consider this Gospel passage. Why is this, EX-PRIEST?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195376 Nov 20, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The corpus is for idiots and ignorant fools like you, Seeker. It means nothing to me.
That's not a very good answer, although it seems like a very convenient answer. I do not see where you can claim that you know Arabic better than they do. Let's face it, you hide behind the bet that the person you are writing to does not know Arabic, so you can add or subtract words from the Arabic to suit whatever needs you have in any particular point that is being discussed.

I do not think that any rational person here, Muslim or non Muslim, would believe for one second that you know Arabic better than the authors of that site. This is yet one more ridiculous excuse and twist and tweak to be added to your already large library of such things that I have seen you do numerous times.

And I don't expect you to produce any good answer to this post, nor do I even need you to.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#195377 Nov 20, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Hugh, I am not responsible for your source, which is incorrect. You went to the site of a Judaica store and expect to find theological truth. But you didn't.
The Sh'ma is two lines long.
The first line translated is "Hear, oh Israel, HaShem is G-d, HaShem is one."
The second line of the Sh'ma-using your quoted text-is "Blessed be G-d’s Name and glorious kingdom forever and ever."
Those TWO lines are the prayer known as the Sh'ma.
The remainder of your quoted excerpt begins the V'ahavta. Using your quoted text "You shall love the Lord your G-d with all your heart, with all your soul....."
Eric---Hugh, I am not responsible for your source, which is incorrect.

HughBe--- I am sorry to know that those Jews are IGNORANT of the Shema.

Eric---You went to the site of a Judaica store and expect to find theological truth. But you didn't.

HughBe--- Again, I was mistaken in my belief that those Jews would have known the MOST important thing in Judaism. Perhaps they are converts.

Eric---The Sh'ma is two lines long.
The first line translated is "Hear, oh Israel, HaShem is G-d, HaShem is one."
The second line of the Sh'ma-using your quoted text-is "Blessed be G-d’s Name and glorious kingdom forever and ever."

HughBe--- Thank you for the full Shema.

Please explain to me how believing that God is ONE and that His name is to be blessed are the MOST important things.

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My erroneous Jewish source.

"The NEXT VERSE FOLLOWING the Shema is called the V'ahavta.
The English translation is: Blessed be G-d’s Name and glorious kingdom forever and ever. You shall love the Lord your G-d with all your heart, with all your soul.....
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195378 Nov 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker--You never were.(my enemy)
HughBe--- ok
Seeker--- When I see you appease people that tell false, pornographic stories about Jesus, and as long as they praise and bless you, you not only let that go, you actually defend them, then I have to wonder. I have said this before. Insult the NT Jesus, and you let that go. But insult YOU personally, and THEN you have a problem.
HughBe--- That is why I am not Jesus.
And you don't even seem willing to try. I could log in here and pretend I was someone else, and compliment you and bless you to the end of the earth, and also trash Jesus of the NT, and we would have no problems. And you don't have to answer that, because it has already happened without me even having to do that.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker-- But if they praise and bless the things you say here, then suddenly you refuse to challenge anything they say and you make excuses for what they say instead.
HughBe--- Trust me , you should pay closer attention to context.
Seeker-- So what is that supposed to tell any objective observer? You are the sellout, not me.
HughBe--- I am not a seller.
Seeker--I know that Jesus doesn't need people to defend him, but I also notice that you defend people who attack the Jesus of the NT, while attacking those who take them to task, for taking them to task.
HughBe--- noted
WOW!!! You actually noted something???
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker---And still, to this very day, you refuse to even mention one single kind correction of this person, let alone give them what they actually deserve. And again, you are right. Jesus does not need anybody to defend him, but he also does not need people to bless the people who attack him. And you have made it very very clear that you are a Christian, and therefore as such, you believe in the NT version of Jesus, and that is precisely what Alex has been attacking.

HughBe--- I have an unwavering conviction that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the God of Abraham.
You did not answer the behavior of Alex and your reaction to it or lack thereof, or even worse, your defense of it.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker--- And you not only remain silent of this, you actually defend this behavior.
HughBe--- Interpretation noted.[/QUOTE}

It's not an interpretation if you have never once corrected him.

[QUOTE who="HughBe"]<quo ted text>
Seeker--- And I know exactly why. He showers you with praise, and if you corrected him, you would lose that good feeling of praise.And Alex knows this.
HughBe--- Amusing. Why would I seek the praise of someone of another religion over the praises of people who are on my side?
I DON'T know why. I only know what I actually have clearly seen happen here. So why are you asking me? Ask yourself.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
It makes no sense to me.
And it doesn't to me either. Why do you think that I have continually raised this point?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker--- I often say he is crazy, but he's not stupid and he knows how to play manipulative games with unwitting people
HughBe--- comical
Well, believe it or not, the joke might have been on you this whole time. Have you ever even remotely considered that?

And by the way, I am not the only person to ask you to learn how to use the very simple quote features of this forum. Your format can lead to misunderstandings, and others have told you that, not just me.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195379 Nov 20, 2013
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text>The most telling thing, the damning indictment, is that your mind runs first to fornication/adultery when you consider this Gospel passage. Why is this, EX-PRIEST?
LOL!!! Did you even have to ask? Doesn't it get so obvious that it's downright comical? And it's not just this passage, it's an overall pattern of thinking about almost every passage or idea of Christianity. So what should that tell any rational mind? Gee...Hmmmm.....I'll have to think about that. It's so hard to figure out the clear pattern. LOL!!!
Eric

Batavia, IL

#195380 Nov 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

HughBe--- Again, I was mistaken in my belief that those Jews would have known the MOST important thing in Judaism. Perhaps they are converts..
Perhaps they are not Jews. How do you know that they are Jews? It doesn't say they are Jews on the website. Maybe they are Messianics. Maybe they are just business people.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#195381 Nov 20, 2013
HughBe--- That is why I am not Jesus.

Seeker--And you don't even seem willing to try.

HughBe--- Pray for me, my brother.

HughBe--- noted

Seeker---WOW!!! You actually noted something???

HughBe--- See, prayer works.

HughBe--- I have an unwavering conviction that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the God of Abraham.

Seeker---You did not answer the behavior of Alex and your reaction to it or lack thereof, or even worse, your defense of it.

HughBe--- Please pray for me that I may see the light.

Seeker--- And you not only remain silent of this, you actually defend this behavior.

HughBe--- Interpretation noted.

Seeker---It's not an interpretation if you have never once corrected him.

HughBe--- Understanding is key

Seeker--- And I know exactly why. He showers you with praise, and if you corrected him, you would lose that good feeling of praise.And Alex knows this.

HughBe--- Amusing. Why would I seek the praise of someone of another religion over the praises of people who are on my side?

Seeker---I DON'T know why. I only know what I actually have clearly seen happen here. So why are you asking me?

HughBe--- So that you may reexamine your thoughts.

Seeker--- I often say he is crazy, but he's not stupid and he knows how to play manipulative games with unwitting people

HughBe--- comical

Seeker---Well, believe it or not, the joke might have been on you this whole time. Have you ever even remotely considered that?

HughBe--- No.

Seeker---And by the way, I am not the only person to ask you to learn how to use the very simple quote features of this forum. Your format can lead to misunderstandings, and others have told you that, not just me.

HughBe--- You won't be the last.
Eric

Batavia, IL

#195382 Nov 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

Please explain to me how believing that God is ONE and that His name is to be blessed are the MOST important things.
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Why did you bifurcate the Sh'ma? Are you being deceptive? The Sh'ma is a complete statement and cannot be bifurcated.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#195383 Nov 20, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, Hugh, a lesson in Jewish prayers.
The name of the prayer is taken from the first word of the first line. Therefore, the V'ahvta begins with the word V'ahvta.
Translit
v'ahavta et HaShem eloheikha bekhol-levavkha uvekhol-nafshekha uvekhol-meodekha:
English
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
So, as I said, you have half the Sh'ma where you say it's the Sh'ma and about a third of the V'ahavta.
Eric please extend your lesson to the Jews on my site as they don't know what the Shema is. Thanks. God bless you.

"OK, Hugh, a lesson in Jewish prayers.

The name of the prayer is taken from the first word of the first line. Therefore, the V'ahvta begins with the word V'ahvta."
Eric

Batavia, IL

#195384 Nov 20, 2013
Oh, btw, I didn't think that you would admit you were wrong.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#195385 Nov 20, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps they are not Jews. How do you know that they are Jews? It doesn't say they are Jews on the website. Maybe they are Messianics. Maybe they are just business people.
Are you really saying that "the site of a Judaica store" could be a Messianic place?

I shall ignore your IDENTITY denial of Messianics.

See you later. I shall be back but after 2 hours.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#195386 Nov 20, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps they are not Jews. How do you know that they are Jews? It doesn't say they are Jews on the website. Maybe they are Messianics. Maybe they are just business people.
What makes a convert to Judaism a Jew?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195387 Nov 20, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps they are not Jews. How do you know that they are Jews? It doesn't say they are Jews on the website. Maybe they are Messianics. Maybe they are just business people.
Ask him how he previously defined Judahites as people separate from Jews. He said that anybody can be considered a Judahite if they convert to Judaism, but they are not necessarily real Jews. Last I saw, Jadahites were those that are actually from the tribe of Judah, rather than converted Jews. So while they could be considered standard Jews, being a Judahite also means that they actually come from the tribe of Judah. Is this correct or not? I figured I would ask someone who is a Jew, rather than making assumptions.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#195388 Nov 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Seeker---You did not answer the behavior of Alex and your reaction to it or lack thereof, or even worse, your defense of it.
HughBe--- Please pray for me that I may see the light.
Why would I need to do that? It's not difficult, and it's not like you simply can't see that. Pray for yourself. I don't need to pray for you about simple matters that you should easily be able to see for yourself. Things like this don't even take prayer and faith, it only takes simple common sense and observation.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195389 Nov 20, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!! Did you even have to ask? Doesn't it get so obvious that it's downright comical? And it's not just this passage, it's an overall pattern of thinking about almost every passage or idea of Christianity. So what should that tell any rational mind? Gee...Hmmmm.....I'll have to think about that. It's so hard to figure out the clear pattern. LOL!!!
Titus 1:15 "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted."

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