Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256284 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#191590 Oct 11, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I wish you get a job, where the employer allows you only 5-6 hours of sleep. Amen
The whole Quran is a shame!
Its a recopy of of the NT only Jesus is replaced by Muhammad as being God!
The Muslims are insane!

Muslims believe everyone must believe in Muhammad as their Savior or
their sins will not be forgiven.

Allah only forgives sins to those that believe in Muhammad as a prophet of Allah.

Muslims believe Muhammad and Allah are the One same god of Islam!
Only Muhammad is considered the supreme god of Islam because if you don't believe in Muhammad your sins cannot be forgiven.

Muslims are insane!

Since: Apr 11

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#191591 Oct 11, 2013
The whole Quran is a shame!

Its a recopy of of the NT only Jesus is replaced by Muhammad as being God!
The Muslims are insane!

Muslims believe everyone must believe in Muhammad as their Savior or
their sins will not be forgiven.

Allah only forgives sins to those that believe in Muhammad as a prophet of Allah.

Muslims believe Muhammad and Allah are the One same god of Islam!
Only Muhammad is considered the supreme god of Islam because if you don't believe in Muhammad your sins cannot be forgiven.

Muslims are insane!

ALLAH REPLACED JESUS AS THE FORGIVER OF SINS WITH MUHAMMAD!
Making Muhammad a God along with Allah as Allah's partner!

Muhammad as the Mediator of Redemption and Forgiveness
How Islamic Religion Turned Muslims into Idolaters and Necromancers
According to the Quran forgiveness of sins is based on Muhammad’s mediation:

We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah's leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, THEY HAD BUT COME UNTO THEE and asked forgiveness of Allah, AND ASKED FORGIVENESS OF THE MESSENGER, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful. S. 4:64 Pickthall

Another version reads:

We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed by Allah's Leave. If they (hypocrites), when they had been unjust to themselves, HAD COME TO YOU (Muhammad SAW) and begged Allah's Forgiveness, and the Messenger had begged forgiveness for them: indeed, they would have found Allah All-Forgiving (One Who accepts repentance), Most Merciful. Hilali-Khan

This makes approaching Muhammad synonymous with invoking Allah. As renowned Sunni exegete Ibn Kathir put it:
<If they (hypocrites), when they had been unjust to themselves,> directs the sinners and evildoers, when they commit errors and mistakes, to come to the Messenger, so that they ask Allah for forgiveness IN HIS PRESENCE and ask him to supplicate to Allah to forgive them. If they do this, Allah will forgive them and award them His mercy and pardon.

This is why Allah said…
<they would have found Allah All-Forgiving (One Who forgives and accepts repentance), Most Merciful>.(Tafsir Ibn Kathir; source; capital and underline emphasis ours)
According to Ibn Kathir, Q. 4:64 is clearly making it incumbent on the Muslims to come to Muhammad in order to obtain forgiveness, with the implication being that if they did not come to him they would not be forgiven.

With this in mind is it any wonder that Pickthall rendered the Arabic to mean that the people had to come and ask Muhammad to forgive their sins since this is basically what they had to do?

To put it another way, why didn’t these Muslims simply confess their sins to Allah without having to go to Muhammad if he wasn’t somehow involved in assuring that their sins would be forgiven?

The answer? Because coming before Muhammad is going to or standing before Allah since Allah decided to make his forgiveness dependent on Islam’s prophet.

What this basically means is that Muhammad is Allah’s partner since he shares in his deity’s prerogatives such as to forgive sins, which is explicitly and clearly a divine function:

This is a complete blasphemy and reduces God to a common pagan desert bandit!
Qadir Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#191592 Oct 11, 2013
who="Shamma"]<quo ted text>The whole Quran is a shame!
Its a recopy of of the NT only Jesus is replaced by Muhammad as being God!
The Muslims are insane!
Muslims believe everyone must believe in Muhammad as their Savior or
their sins will not be forgiven.
Allah only forgives sins to those that believe in Muhammad as a prophet of Allah.
Muslims believe Muhammad and Allah are the One same god of Islam!
Only Muhammad is considered the supreme god of Islam because if you don't believe in Muhammad your sins cannot be forgiven.
Muslims are insane

!Mengal

Dear Shama,
previously i was of view that br.Mahmood is person who invented lies, distorted facts and after fabrication, attributed it Mohammad(saw), But after going through your posts, it appear that Mahmood is too much behind you.you know that at least five time on Azan every muslim rehears the first and most part of Iman i,e Kalima, which says,
= There is no God except Allah and Mohammad(saw) is His servant and messenger=.

This first basic of faith.You despite knowing fact invented lies and attributed to Muslims.
Qadir Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#191593 Oct 11, 2013
who="skeptic"]<qu oted text>The final message from a pagan moon god prophet.
This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.
In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.
Mengal
Dear skeptic"
please why you insist that Allah is Moon God and same was used by Arab pagans for it. The word Allah is not invention of Arabs this name already from beginning was using for creator. though my knowledge is limited however i give you one two examples that
original name of His Majesty is Allah.
The Origin of the name Allah
When the Ka’abah was cleaned out in Mecca there were some 167 idols there. The pagan pantheon among the Arabs was extensive, albeit confined in the main to the three deities, and Sirius. Much of this pagan worship entered Islam as we will see but it did not involve the Name of God.
Muhammed came from a family that was in large part Unitarian Christian and it was in this manner that he was exposed to the Bible structure.
He set about destroying three aspects to the worship of the one true God. Firstly he set about eliminating pagan worship from the Arab tribes. He was then faced with the task of exposing and destroying the Trinitarian system, which had imposed itself on the East from Constantinople as a tool of the Roman system. He also had the task of liberating the Arabs from the Jewish aristocracy and kingships that controlled the Middle East at that time. Much of this influence extended into Khazaria and would see the conversion of the Khazar Ashkenazi to Judaism in the next century in 740 CE.
Qadir Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#191594 Oct 11, 2013
Muhammed began to teach in 610 CE and by 632 Islam was established after the Hejira or the flight from Mecca to Medina.
It is true that the mosques in Islam have crescents associated with them but so do many Trinitarian Churches in Christianity. However, the names have nothing to do with the name of Allah. Much of the mosque structure is also associated with the breasts of the goddess in its roof form and is directly pagan, but this has little to do with the prophet and with true Islam.
As we see Al’ilãh was the older form of Allãh. This is not associated with the Moon God at all and not with the celestial goddess Al ilat or Al Lat either in any way.
The Hebrew and Arabic languages are related in this way. The Hebrew was the originator of the western Aramaic form, which was spoken after the Babylonian captivity in place of Hebrew. The Chaldean Semitic language became eastern Aramaic and from which the modern Arabic springs.
The names for God in Hebrew were:
Eloah (Singular form); and
Elohim (plural form).
El was a short form and could mean mighty as applied to a person.
The names for God in Chaldean were:
Elahh (singular form)(= Heb. Eloah)
Elahhin (plural form)(= Heb. Elohim)
El had the same meaning. Both the Hebrew and the Chaldean appear in the Bible texts using these forms. The book of Ezra shows that the name Eloah is the title of the God of the Temple at Jerusalem. This name is singular and admits of no plurality. It refers to the one True God alone.
In the eastern Aramaic the singular Elahh became Allah’ in the Arabic in this way. Elahh was referred to as Al Elahh or The God in the singular as it appears in the Bible text and the Chaldean. It then became Al’ilãh in the Arabic from the eastern Aramaic. The two hh sound being expressed as an aspirant with the final letter h of Allah. Thus the ancient Arabic form was Al’ilãh altering the double h sound. Islam under Muhammed carried on the name Allah because it was singular and it admits of no plurality.
There is no doubt that the name Eloah of the Bible and Allah of the Arabic come to us from the Semitic language via Ancient Hebrew and Ancient Chaldean respectively and mean the same thing.
The name Yahovah is a title applied to Eloah as the third person form of the verb meaning He Causes to Be. This view is confirmed by the footnote to the text in Exodus 3:14 in the Annotated Oxford RSV. The name expressed in the text in Exodus 3:14 means I am what I will become (‘eyeh ‘asher ‘eyeh cf. Bullinger fn. to Companion Bible also). It designates an act of creation in expansion of Himself by the One True God in accordance with His will and plan. In this sense all men will become sons of God.
It is thus a name applied to the spokesman of the One True God who is referred to as Yahovih (SHD 3069) or Yahovah of Hosts. Yahovah (SHD 3068) is used to refer to subordinate deities and sometimes multiple deities at the same time. In other words they all act for the one True God Eloah as the elohim. Thus all men will become spiritual gods or elohim as sons of God (see the paper The Elect as Elohim (No. 1)).
The name Yahovah is applied to at least four beings, three of whom are angels or messengers for the God in Heaven at the same time as we see from the instance with Abraham and Lot, and the destruction at Sodom and Gomorrah. These aspects have been all examined at the papers: The Angel of YHVH (No. 24); The Names of God (No. 116); The Pre-Existence of Jesus Christ (No. 243); and Abraham and Sodom (No. 91).
It is forom this ignorance of the origins of names in language and a desire to slander and malign by self-righteous bigots in Christianity that we see error and slander arise. The ignorance of Islam based on the traditions of men further increases the hostility.
Qadir Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#191595 Oct 11, 2013
Why would people attack the name Allah? What is the significance of the term?
The real problem stems from the false theology that entered Christianity and finds expression today in the churches of God.
The Trinitarian system developed from a Binitarian structure that found itself adopted at Nicaea in 325 CE. The Trinity was developed by the Cappadocians, Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Nazianzus and Basil. The theology was adopted in 381 CE and crippled Christianity theologically. Augustine of Hippo then set the erroneous theology in concrete in his writings.
The Churches of God have even less excuse for the error. They developed, under Herbert Armstrong in the twentieth century, a ditheism that commenced a false theology around two co-eternal Gods. These erroneous teachers are faced with the Bible terminology of Eloah being the name for God in the singular and which can only be used of the One True God who sent Jesus Christ (John 17:3). They then have to attack the use of Eloah as One True God. They do this by coupling the terms Eloah and Allah, which is a correct link, but assert it relates to the worship of a moon God in Islam because of the pagan intrusions into the mosques under a mystical system. It is true that Islam, like Christianity before it, is hopelessly paganised but that has nothing to do with the use of Allah in the Koran or Qu’ran.
Some churches such as the Church of God (Seventh Day) when penetrated by Trinitarians in the USA opted for Binitarianism as the easy way out and no doubt will end up in Trinitarianism. The Seventh Day Baptists are Unitarian as they have always been in their International Conference but became Trinitarian in the US Conference from the mid seventies. Theologically they are very weak. The Churches of God and the Seventh Day Baptists were originally Unitarian in every denomination including the Seventh Day Adventists. Armstrong was credentialed a minister of the Church of God (Seventh Day) when it was Unitarian. The Seventh Day Adventists became Trinitarian at the end of the 1970s.
These same people are now faced with the fact that they have invented a false doctrine and permeate the Churches of God with error.
It was for this reason in the early centuries following the false Trinitarian theology in Christianity that Islam insists on referring to the One True God as Allah,’ rather than the plural ellahhin, because the name admits of no plurality whatsoever.
Rather than admit that they are in error, the Binitarian, Ditheist and Trinitarian teachers of the various churches of God invent arguments based on falsehood and slander those who disagree. This practice is contrary to the Bible and now to the Laws of the United States as well as other nations.
The various errors in theology will be examined in the work FAQs on Islam (No. 55).
The idea that Allah is not the God of the Bible, whose name is actually Yahweh so it is claimed, is an idea that has emerged from Sacred Names theology in the USA and is false. It fails to understand the names of God in the Bible and the place of the Eloah-Elohim distinction there.
Qadir Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#191596 Oct 11, 2013
In one diatribe we find comments such as:
To the "people of the Scriptures" or "book," Muslims are told to say, "We have faith in that which has been revealed to us and in that which has been revealed unto you. Our God and your God are one, and unto him we are resigned," Koran 29:46.
Do Muslims believe in both the Koran (Quran) and the Bible? We shall see.
Now this argument is a sound approach. It shows a need to examine the Koran and see what the differences are between the two religions.
The Koran does indeed require a true Muslim to follow both the Koran and the Bible. This position has great strength and could prove to be the point on which the religions are reconciled. An example of the fiction permeating the churches of God currently follows:
What is the nature of the god - Allah - of the Muslims? Is he the same as the Yahweh of Scripture?
As reported in the January/February 2000 issue of Battle Cry, a comparison of Allah and Yahweh, based on their portrayal in the Koran and the Bible respectively, is a study of opposites.
Unknowable: Allah is so transcendent, so exalted, that no man can ever personally know Allah. Yahweh, on the other hand, sent His Son Jesus Christ into the world so we could know God personally, John 17:3 (R. Nickels, Islam and You, Study No. 185).
The Bible is clear that No one has seen God ever. He chose to reveal Himself through His servants the prophets and He sent Jesus Christ. The writer appears to be totally unaware of the term Eloah as it applies in the Bible. Also he appears unaware that the term Yahovah or Yahweh as he claims is used of Angels in the OT, one of whom, the spiritual Rock that was with Israel in the Wilderness (1Cor. 10:4) was Jesus Christ.
Ezra shows, in the great restoration, that The House of God at Jerusalem is the House of Eloah (Ezra 4:24) and not the house of "Yahweh." Ezra identifies Eloah as the Eloah of Israel (Ezra 5:1). The prophets were the prophets of Eloah (Ezra 5:2). He is Eloah of the Jews (Ezra 5:5). He is the great Eloah for whom the House was built (Ezra 5:8). He is the Eloah of Heaven and Earth (Ezra 5:11). It was this Eloah that the fathers had provoked with wrath and He sent them into captivity (Ezra 5:12). Cyrus decreed that the house of Eloah be built, and the vessels of gold and silver were the vessels of Eloah, which were sent to be placed in it (Ezra 5:13-17, 6:5).
The House of Eloah was protected and ordered to be built by the rulers of the empire because Eloah had chosen Cyrus to begin this process. Darius II completed it and Artaxerxes II ordered its furbishment. Ezra and Nehemiah restored the Temple system and Ezra died in 321 BCE. There was no doubt in anyone’s mind that it was the Temple of Eloah the God of Heaven and Earth. Not once is the name Yahweh mentioned in this regard. Indeed the name Yahweh is a mispronunciation of the name in any event.
From the above we have seen that the names Eloah and Allah’ are derived from the two variants of the same language structure. Eloah and Elahh are the same deity from whence comes the name Allah’. Given this major truth we might be able to then go into common ground and build some mutual understanding.
Allah’ is the Arabic form of the One True God Eloah who is extending Himself to become elohim through the people he has called into His system.
The Koran holds that Christians are nearest to them. They do not and never will accept the traditions that determined a Trinitarian and Binitarian structure. They certainly do not believe in a capricious God and this sort of dialogue serves no purpose other than to indulge bigotry and encourage hostility.

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Qadir Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#191597 Oct 11, 2013
ISLAM ABOUT HEAVEN (GARDEN) HELL FIRE AND DAY OF JUDGMENT

The teaching of Islam and Prophet Mohammad (SAW) shows that human has been created by Lord Almighty Allah as his vicegerent on face of earth and all other creatures have been given in his servility and service the Holy Quran says

Surah XXXVI verse 71 to 73
‘See, they not that, it is we who have created for them-among the things which our hands have fashioned- Cattle, which has under their dominion?

72. And that we have subjected them to their (use) of them some do carry them and some they eat.

73. And they have (other) profits from them (besides) and they get (milk) to drink will they not than be grateful.

2. This vicegerent or chosen human after spending a transitory life on earth in the light of the guidance and teachings of Almighty Allah one day left this world, to next world, that is called Hereafter. Which starts from the Day of Judgment?

3. After death every soul, if he is of a good person kept in Illiyeen (A high place or position) with his full figurative record, contribution, description, motive and manners and wait till the day of judgment comes, if any soul is of bad deeds, his soul is confined or kept in Sijjeen (A lower place or position) with his full figurative record, contribution, description, motive and manners prescribed for the persons who deserve to go hell fire.

4. After rolling out of present world, the Day of Judgment comes, the Holy Quran throw lights on this situation in following words

5. And where after the day of Judgment follow or start, the people on this day, would be in three groups .

First group that who is fore most in faith and nearest to God(Allah this class would separate in rank and most high and would be placed in Garden High places,

Than remaining two groups, the one who be Right side of God Allah he is too success group and will go in Garden where Evey thing of enjoyment would be present for this group as he in accountability has got success, But

The group which will be left side that would be looser those who denied His Majesty did not obey and go astray in world despite clear knowledge of message and this group will be in Hillfire, God save from this group , than there life be eternal no death or sorrow human face except those went Hell fire due to his bad deeds, and would be burning there.-

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#191598 Oct 11, 2013
Qadir Mengal wrote:
who="Shamma"]<quo ted text>The whole Quran is a shame!
Its a recopy of of the NT only Jesus is replaced by Muhammad as being God!
The Muslims are insane!
Muslims believe everyone must believe in Muhammad as their Savior or
their sins will not be forgiven.
Allah only forgives sins to those that believe in Muhammad as a prophet of Allah.
Muslims believe Muhammad and Allah are the One same god of Islam!
Only Muhammad is considered the supreme god of Islam because if you don't believe in Muhammad your sins cannot be forgiven.
Muslims are insane
!Mengal
Dear Shama,
previously i was of view that br.Mahmood is person who invented lies, distorted facts and after fabrication, attributed it Mohammad(saw), But after going through your posts, it appear that Mahmood is too much behind you.you know that at least five time on Azan every muslim rehears the first and most part of Iman i,e Kalima, which says,
= There is no God except Allah and Mohammad(saw) is His servant and messenger=.
This first basic of faith.You despite knowing fact invented lies and attributed to Muslims.
Shame on you Mengal!
What I post comes from Muslims scholars!
I do not make up anything of my own!
You are the deceiver Mengal not I.

The whole Quran is a shame!

Muhammad as the Mediator of Redemption and Forgiveness
How Islamic Religion Turned Muslims into Idolaters and Necromancers

According to the Quran forgiveness of sins is based on Muhammad’s mediation:

We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah's leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, THEY HAD BUT COME UNTO THEE and asked forgiveness of Allah, AND ASKED FORGIVENESS OF THE MESSENGER, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful. S. 4:64 Pickthall

Another version reads:

We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed by Allah's Leave. If they (hypocrites), when they had been unjust to themselves, HAD COME TO YOU (Muhammad SAW) and begged Allah's Forgiveness, and the Messenger had begged forgiveness for them: indeed, they would have found Allah All-Forgiving (One Who accepts repentance), Most Merciful. Hilali-Khan

This makes approaching Muhammad synonymous with invoking Allah. As renowned Sunni exegete Ibn Kathir put it:
<If they (hypocrites), when they had been unjust to themselves,> directs the sinners and evildoers, when they commit errors and mistakes, to come to the Messenger, so that they ask Allah for forgiveness IN HIS PRESENCE and ask him to supplicate to Allah to forgive them.

If they do this, Allah will forgive them and award them His mercy and pardon.

This is why Allah said…
<they would have found Allah All-Forgiving (One Who forgives and accepts repentance), Most Merciful>.(Tafsir Ibn Kathir; source; capital and underline emphasis ours)

According to Ibn Kathir, Q. 4:64 is clearly making it incumbent on the Muslims to come to Muhammad in order to obtain forgiveness, with the implication being that if they did not come to him they would not be forgiven.

With this in mind is it any wonder that Pickthall rendered the Arabic to mean that the people had to come and ask Muhammad to forgive their sins since this is basically what they had to do?

To put it another way, why didn’t these Muslims simply confess their sins to Allah without having to go to Muhammad if he wasn’t somehow involved in assuring that their sins would be forgiven?

The answer? Because coming before Muhammad is going to or standing before Allah since Allah decided to make his forgiveness dependent on Islam’s prophet.

What this basically means is that Muhammad is Allah’s partner since he shares in his deity’s prerogatives such as to forgive sins, which is explicitly and clearly a divine function:

This is a complete blasphemy and reduces God to a common pagan desert bandit!

Since: Apr 11

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#191599 Oct 11, 2013
Attention Qadir Mengal.

MUHAMMAD IS THE FORGIVER OF SINS..
Continued:

But this raises some questions. How does a Muslim obey this directive now that Muhammad is dead? Does this mean that Muslims have no hope for forgiveness since they cannot approach Muhammad seeing that he is no longer alive?

The following Muslim scholar has the answer:

Although, this verse (64) was revealed in the background of a particular incident relating to hypocrites, yet its words yield a general ruling which stipulates that anyone who presents himself before the Holy Prophet and he prays for his forgiveness, he will be definitely forgiven. And ‘the presence before the Prophet,’ as it would have been during his blessed life in this mortal world, HOLDS THE SAME EFFECT EVEN TODAY as the visit to the sacred precincts of the Mosque of the Prophet and the act of ‘presenting’ oneself BEFORE THE BLESSED RESIDENT OF THE SANCTIFIED MAUSOLEUM FALLS WITHIN THE JURISDICATION OF THIS RULE.

Sayyidna ‘Ali has said: "Three days after we all had finished with the burial of the Messenger of Allah a villager came and fell down close to the blessed grave. Weeping bitterly, he referred to this particular verse of the Qur’an AND ADDRESSING HIMSELF TO THE BLESSED GRAVE, he said:‘Allah Almighty has promised in this verse that a sinner, if he presented himself before the Rasul of Allah, and the Rasul elects to pray for his forgiveness, then he will forgive him. Therefore, here I am, presenting myself BEFORE YOU so that I may be blessed with YOUR prayer for my forgiveness.’ People personally present there at that time say that, in response to the pleading of the villager, a voice coming out from the sanctified mausoleum rang around with the words… You have been forgiven." (al-Bahr al-Muhit)(Mufti Shafi Usmani, Maariful Quran, Volume 2, p. 486; source; capital emphasis ours)

There is more to the story. According to one specific Islamic narration a Muslim actually visited Muhammad’s grave and asked him to pray for his forgiveness:

"As I was sitting by the grave of the Prophet, a Bedouin Arab came and said:‘Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah! I have heard Allah saying: "If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah’s forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful" (4:64), so I HAVE COME TO YOU asking forgiveness for my sin, seeking your intercession with my Lord.’ Then he began to recite poetry:

O best of those whose bones are buried in the deep earth,
And from whose fragrance the depth
and the height have become sweet,
May I be the ransom for a grave which thou inhabit,
And in which are found purity, bounty and munificence!

Then he left, and I slept and saw the prophet in my sleep. He said to me:‘O `Utbi, run after the Bedouin and give him glad tidings that Allah has forgiven him.’" (Imam an-Nawawi, Kitab al-Adhkar [al-Maktaba al-Tijariyya, Mecca, 1412/1992], Chapter: Regarding visiting the grave of the messenger of Allah and its remembrances, pp. 253-254; source; see also al-Idah fi manasik al-hajj (Dar ibn Khaldun, Damascus, n.d.) p. 144, and an-Nawawi's Majmu`, volume 8, pp. 212f.; bold, capital and italic emphasis ours)

And here is what Ibn Kathir stated concerning this narration, providing some additional information:

"Allah is instructing the sinners when they commit a sin to come to the messenger of Allah and ask forgiveness in his presence and then they ask him to request forgiveness. And certainly if they did that, Allah would relent towards them and have mercy on them, and for that reason He said "they would have found Allah Oft-Returning, Merciful."

And Shaykh Mansur as-Sabbagh recollected in his book "The Perfections" (ash-Shama’il) the well-known (famous) transmission from ‘Utbi:

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#191600 Oct 11, 2013
Attention Qadir Mengal.

But this raises some questions. How does a Muslim obey this directive now that Muhammad is dead? Does this mean that Muslims have no hope for forgiveness since they cannot approach Muhammad seeing that he is no longer alive?

The following Muslim scholar has the answer:

Although, this verse (64) was revealed in the background of a particular incident relating to hypocrites, yet its words yield a general ruling which stipulates that anyone who presents himself before the Holy Prophet and he prays for his forgiveness, he will be definitely forgiven. And ‘the presence before the Prophet,’ as it would have been during his blessed life in this mortal world, HOLDS THE SAME EFFECT EVEN TODAY as the visit to the sacred precincts of the Mosque of the Prophet and the act of ‘presenting’ oneself BEFORE THE BLESSED RESIDENT OF THE SANCTIFIED MAUSOLEUM FALLS WITHIN THE JURISDICATION OF THIS RULE.

Sayyidna ‘Ali has said: "Three days after we all had finished with the burial of the Messenger of Allah a villager came and fell down close to the blessed grave. Weeping bitterly, he referred to this particular verse of the Qur’an AND ADDRESSING HIMSELF TO THE BLESSED GRAVE, he said:‘Allah Almighty has promised in this verse that a sinner, if he presented himself before the Rasul of Allah, and the Rasul elects to pray for his forgiveness, then he will forgive him. Therefore, here I am, presenting myself BEFORE YOU so that I may be blessed with YOUR prayer for my forgiveness.’ People personally present there at that time say that, in response to the pleading of the villager, a voice coming out from the sanctified mausoleum rang around with the words… You have been forgiven." (al-Bahr al-Muhit)(Mufti Shafi Usmani, Maariful Quran, Volume 2, p. 486; source; capital emphasis ours)

There is more to the story. According to one specific Islamic narration a Muslim actually visited Muhammad’s grave and asked him to pray for his forgiveness:

"As I was sitting by the grave of the Prophet, a Bedouin Arab came and said:‘Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah! I have heard Allah saying: "If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah’s forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful" (4:64), so I HAVE COME TO YOU asking forgiveness for my sin, seeking your intercession with my Lord.’ Then he began to recite poetry:

O best of those whose bones are buried in the deep earth,
And from whose fragrance the depth
and the height have become sweet,
May I be the ransom for a grave which thou inhabit,
And in which are found purity, bounty and munificence!

Then he left, and I slept and saw the prophet in my sleep. He said to me:‘O `Utbi, run after the Bedouin and give him glad tidings that Allah has forgiven him.’" (Imam an-Nawawi, Kitab al-Adhkar [al-Maktaba al-Tijariyya, Mecca, 1412/1992], Chapter: Regarding visiting the grave of the messenger of Allah and its remembrances, pp. 253-254; source; see also al-Idah fi manasik al-hajj (Dar ibn Khaldun, Damascus, n.d.) p. 144, and an-Nawawi's Majmu`, volume 8, pp. 212f.; bold, capital and italic emphasis ours)

And here is what Ibn Kathir stated concerning this narration, providing some additional information:

"Allah is instructing the sinners when they commit a sin to come to the messenger of Allah and ask forgiveness in his presence and then they ask him to request forgiveness. And certainly if they did that, Allah would relent towards them and have mercy on them, and for that reason He said "they would have found Allah Oft-Returning, Merciful."

And Shaykh Mansur as-Sabbagh recollected in his book "The Perfections" (ash-Shama’il) the well-known (famous) transmission from ‘Utbi:

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#191601 Oct 11, 2013
ATTENTION QADIR MENGAL.
Continued:

But this raises some questions. How does a Muslim obey this directive now that Muhammad is dead? Does this mean that Muslims have no hope for forgiveness since they cannot approach Muhammad seeing that he is no longer alive?

The following Muslim scholar has the answer:

"I was sitting by the grave of the Prophet and a Bedouin came and said:‘Peace be upon you O Prophet of Allah. I heard Allah say: "And if they had come to thee when they had wronged their souls, and asked forgiveness of Allah, and if the Messenger had also asked forgiveness for them, they would have surely found Allah Oft-Returning with compassion and Merciful." And I came to you asking forgiveness for my sin, taking you as intercessor to my Lord.’

"Then he started reciting verses:‘O You best of those whose bones are buried in al-Qa’a from the sweet scents of those bones the whole area of al-Qa’a and Akamu became perfumed. My self I sacrifice to the grave that you live in it is purity and in it is incredible generosity.’

"Then the Bedouin departed and sleep overcame me. And I saw the Prophet in my sleep and he said:‘Ya ‘Utbi, follow the Bedouin and give him the glad tidings that Allah has forgiven him.’" (Ibn Kathir, Tafsir of Qur’an al-Adheem [Dar al-Fikr, Beirut, 1992/1412], volume I, p. 643; source)

A similar report is sourced through Shafi’i Shaykh Sufyan ibn `Uyayna and through Abu Sa`id al-Sam`ani on the authority of Ali. The above narrative is further referenced by Ibn Qudamah Al-Maqdisi in his Al-Mughni, under the chapter, "Chapter on Visiting the Grave of the Prophet," volume 3, pp. 556-557 (source).

Here is a list of some of the Muslim scholars who narrated this hadith:

Its grading is mashhur (established and well-known) and was related by an-Nawawi (Adhkar, Mecca ed., pp. 253-254; al-Majmu`, 8:217; al-Idah fi manasik al-hajj, chapters on visiting the grave of the prophet).
Ibn Kathir (Tafsir, 2:306; al-Bidayat wa al-nihayat, 1:180).
al-Bayhaqi (Shu`ab al-iman,#4178).
al-Qurtubi (Tafsir of 4:64 in Ahkam al-Qur'an, 5:265).
Ibn al-Jawzi (Muthir al-gharam al-sakin ila ashraf al-amakin, p. 490).
Ibn `Asakir (Mukhtasar tarikh Dimashq, 2:408).
Taqi al-Din al-Subki (Shifa' al-siqam, p. 52).
Ibn `Aqil (al-Tadhkira).
Ibn Qudama (al-Mughni, 3:556-557).
Ibn Jama`a (Hidayat al-salik, 3:1384).
Samhudi (Khulasat al-Wafa, p. 121 – from an-Nawawi).
Dahlan (Khulasat al-Kalam, 2:247).
Abu al-Faraj ibn Qudama (al-Sharh al-kabir, 3:495).
al-Bahuti al-Hanbali (Kashshaf al-qina`, 5:30).
Ibn Hajar al-Haytami (al-Jawhar al-munazzam [commentary on Nawawi's Idah]).
Ibn al-Najjar (Akhbar al-Madina, p. 147)
The above information was adapted from these pages: 1, 2, 3

The whole Quran is a shame!
Muslims are insane!
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#191602 Oct 11, 2013
bmz wrote:
@ Buford
Thanks a million for quoting Isaiah 45 in full.
Salaams
BMZ
Tell that to the Islamotards (two of them) who gave me the SPAM award for posting Isaiah 45 in its entirety, as a courtesy to you.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#191603 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know. I wasn't there.
Neither was I, but I ASSUME that the very record -meaning the canonical Gospels- that has persuaded you that "Jesus was an extremely religious and pragmatic Jew whose message was perverted by his followers after his death" also mentions him prophesying his own death at the behest of the elders and rulers of the Jews, with Roman acquiescence and assistance, of course, since the Jews, being Roman subjects at the time, could not execute anyone without Rome's say so and able help, and the Romans had crucifiction down!

See: http://www.bible.ca/d-history-archeology-cruc...
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#191604 Oct 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Buford--Jesus as sorcerer/witch. What does this mean, exactly?
HughBe--- It means that the medication is completely out of the poster's system and it is time for another dose.
I expect that JOEL would make some mention of collusion between Jesus and one or more Hostile Vital Powers or Personages who exist somewhere in the "ether" that surrounds us all and can be persuaded or forced to do the bidding of special humans like Jesus, or something like that...
Eric

Roselle, IL

#191605 Oct 11, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>What stage of reincarnation do you believe you have progressed too?
What are the different forms of reincarnation the Reformed Jews go through in their higher and lower states of Being?
Are homosexuals ordained as rabbi's?
Are Reformed Jews Pro-Choice?
Do Reformed Jews approve of homosexuality being taught children in our elementary schools?
Do Reformed Jews approve of gay marriage?
See, what I mean. We believe to accept all just like Jesus. Unlike some Roman Catholics who are reactionary. Didn't your Pope tell you to loosen up?
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#191606 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
See, what I mean. We believe to accept all just like Jesus. Unlike some Roman Catholics who are reactionary. Didn't your Pope tell you to loosen up?
Pope Francis remains committed to Roman Catholic teaching, to the great chagrin of those "Catholics" who are all in favor of same-sex orgasms and abortion on demand.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#191607 Oct 11, 2013
50 MILLION + elective abortions in the U.S. since Roe v. Wade opened the bloodgates in 1973, and IT'S NOT ENOUGH!!!!
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#191608 Oct 11, 2013
Why should G-d spare those who THROW AWAY the future because it "inconveniences" them to participate honorably?
Eric

Roselle, IL

#191609 Oct 11, 2013
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text>Neither was I, but I ASSUME that the very record -meaning the canonical Gospels- that has persuaded you that "Jesus was an extremely religious and pragmatic Jew whose message was perverted by his followers after his death" also mentions him prophesying his own death at the behest of the elders and rulers of the Jews, with Roman acquiescence and assistance, of course, since the Jews, being Roman subjects at the time, could not execute anyone without Rome's say so and able help, and the Romans had crucifiction down!
See: http://www.bible.ca/d-history-archeology-cruc...
What does any of the above have to do with historic proof that Jesus was the Son of G-d and the Messiah? You have given archaeological proof of the existence of crucifixion. But your proof says it didn't happen as it says in the New Testament. Which supports my position that the New Testament is a propaganda work. There is historic proof that Peter and James the Just did not believe that Jesus was the Son of G-d. They lost the battle, however.

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