Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256289 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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george whyte

London, UK

#190228 Sep 23, 2013
is that right,,,,
http://www.hadithcollection.com/maliksmuwatta...

more false hoods from bmz
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#190229 Sep 23, 2013
george whyte wrote:
is that right,,,,
http://www.hadithcollection.com/maliksmuwatta...
more false hoods from bmz
Dear George Khudri

From your link.

http://www.hadithcollection.com/maliksmuwatta...

Stop the falsehood, please. Thanks
news

New York, NY

#190230 Sep 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
A Muslim is supposed to be only a Qur'aan and Sunnah Muslim.
Hope you know the difference between Sunnah and Hadith.
Even Jesus' Father not only frowned upon COITUS INTERRUPTUS but also considered that wicked and killed Onan for repeated Coitus Interruptus:
Here is the Al-Azl (Coitus Interruptus) story For your reading pleasure:
Genesis 38:8 "Then Judah said to Onan,“Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”
9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother.
10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also." Wham!!!
You said:Hope you know the difference between Sunnah and Hadith.

bmz,
what is the difference between Sunnah and Hadith?
news

New York, NY

#190231 Sep 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe I had explained that you before. Right?
"As Jesus and some of His Disciples were walking along the road, a man said to Jesus', "I will follow You wherever You go."
Jesus replied to the man, "foxes have holes' birds of the air have nests, I'am a Son of Man now with nowhere to lay my head in Peace’ within this world;"
Jesus was simply telling the man that he had no house or home or a place of his own. In other words, he was telling the man that he was homeless. So, if he had followed Jesus, he would have to live the life of a wanderer.
This is bette than saying -

Prophet has a house where you are not allowed without permission and what you get from the looting, Allah commanded you to give 1/5 to prophet so that he can keep up his house.

Ridiculous.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#190232 Sep 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear George Khudri
From your link.
http://www.hadithcollection.com/maliksmuwatta...
Stop the falsehood, please. Thanks
You stop your falsehoods.
Muhammad was an evil savage person that murder those that rejected him as a prophet from God.
Simon

UK

#190233 Sep 23, 2013
george whyte wrote:
Malik’s Muwatta Book 34, Number 4210:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:
The Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) disliked ten things: Yellow colouring, meaning khaluq, dyeing grey hair, trailing the lower garment, wearing a gold signet-ring, a woman decking herself before people who are not within the prohibited degrees, throwing dice, using spells except with the Mu'awwidhatan, wearing amulets, withdrawing the penis before the semen is discharged, in the case of a woman who is wife or not a wife, and having intercourse with a woman who is suckling a child; but he did not declare them to be prohibited.
All the hadiths you quoted are correct and BMZ has no case against you. This hadith you quoted from Malik Muwatta is also correct except that there is just one mistake: it is not from Muwatta but it is from Abu Dawwod, here is the link
http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php...

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#190234 Sep 23, 2013
Muslims are an example of evil rather then an example of being a civilized group of people.

Every where Muslims migrate too the crime rate rises, and there is moral decay of rape, robbery and murder, and the pushing of drugs on the streets.
August 6, 2013,- 3:17 pm

6 Arab Muslim Detroiters Indicted for Running Violent Drug Gang, Used Black Kids to Push Drugs; May Be Illegal Aliens (Amnesty Candidates)
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#190235 Sep 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I know that.
I had already posted the following note to you, Buford.
"Not me, Buford. You are the one, who is not only an idiot but also an ignorant fool.
I had written: Even Hadith does not say that rape was allowed.
And you foolishly bring up the word Coitus.
DOES COITUS MEAN RAPE?
How come you guys, whose native language is English, are totally unable to comprehend written English?"
And now you bring up the words Coitus interruptus. Does that mean Rape in English?
You can understand the moral of that story easily. The moral is that if you have sex with a woman or a girl and withdraw just before ejaculation, there is no guarantee that she will not be pregnant.
You might leak and ooze a little and that could be enough to make her pregnant. So, if God wants to bring that soul in the world, she will bear your child. It would be a different case if you go and get her pregnancy terminated.
The best example of coitus interruptus can be seen in Genesis 38, when Onan withdrew his dick and ejaculated on the floor every time. I think Onan never leaked for Tamar did not conceive.
IDIOT,

You STUPIDLY reiterated above, "Even Hadith does not say that rape was allowed," when in FACT Bukhari's HADITH that I quoted recounts some of Mohammad's soldiers asking him if practicing coitus interruptus on CAPTURED FEMALES was permissible. IOW, you blithering IDIOT, they wanted to know if RAPING their NONCONSENTING booty slaves and then WIHDRAWING before ejaculation was OK with Allah.(They didn't want to get their booty slaves pregnant, as this would reduce their ransom value) Your damned fool of a "prophet" was incredulous that they would withdraw, arguing in effect that because Allah governs all rapes that lead to pregnancy, it should be left to Allah's discretion whether or not the RAPED female captives would get pregnant. That you don't even grasp the concept is yet another proof of your IDIOCY, bmz.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#190236 Sep 23, 2013
bmz,

The moral of the story is that your "prophet" was a rape enabler, but I am CERTAIN that you don't agree, because you are a confirmed IDIOT.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#190237 Sep 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Shamma,
That Muhammad slaughtered the Jews is a Horse Shit.
Read the darkest and the filthiest history of Christianity and European Christians, who murdered, slaughtered, beheaded millions of Jews and other people and even boiled them in oil and burned them alive in the name of their man-God.
This excludes millions of Jews, who were killed in the 20th Century.
And you keep on whining and ranting over some Jews of Medinah, who were treacherous and got what they deserved.
In fact, Muslims are the Saviors of the Jews. If there were no Islam, the Jews would have become extinct at the hands of Christian Europe. They ran to Muslim states for refuge.
Where was your Jewish man-God Jesus, when his co-religionists were being slaughtered?

Reply:
You speak without understanding Gods laws for you are using the laws of Muhammad to justify the evil acts of murder committed by Muhammad against the Jews.

Muhammad's law is an revenge law an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth that Muhammad misinterpreted from the Old Testament Bible.

Muhammad's murdering all the Jews gave them no recourse in a civil law court.

And that is what the eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth is all about.
That law is a civil society law used in a civil society court room to bring settlement of a person wronged by another person.

That is why the Muslim use of revenge is identified in our civil society as evil acts of Murder!

It was an evil act of murder when Muhammad slaughtered the Jews and it is an evil act of Murder Now when Muslims murder non-Muslims because of their rejection of your false prophet Muhammad!
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#190238 Sep 23, 2013
bmz,

The wickedness of your "prophet" is that he made "Allah" complicit in rape.

Again, I am CERTAIN that you disagree, because you are a confirmed IDIOT.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#190239 Sep 23, 2013
http://news.msn.com/world/militants-hold-out-...

Excerpt:

A spokesman for al Shabaab warned they would kill hostages if Kenyan troops tried to storm their positions. "The mujahideen will kill the hostages if the enemies use force," Sheikh Ali Mohamud Rage said in an online audio statement.

Of course. Murder unarmed NON-MUSLIM civilians "for Allah and His Messenger."

The Sheikh's last name is most apropo.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#190240 Sep 23, 2013
What are the requirements for becoming a Wahhabi style Sheik?

Do they include a willingness to murder NON-MUSLIM civilians, or is that for extra credit?
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#190241 Sep 23, 2013
CORRECTION:

IDIOT,

You STUPIDLY reiterated above, "Even Hadith does not say that rape was allowed," when in FACT Bukhari's HADITH that I quoted recounts some of Mohammad's soldiers asking him if practicing coitus interruptus on CAPTURED FEMALES was permissible. IOW, you blithering IDIOT, they wanted to know if RAPING their NONCONSENTING booty slaves and then WITHDRAWING before ejaculation was OK with Allah.(They didn't want to get their booty slaves pregnant, as this would reduce their ransom value) Your damned fool of a "prophet" was incredulous that they would withdraw, arguing in effect that because Allah governs all rapes that lead to pregnancy, it should be left to Allah's discretion whether or not the RAPED female captives would get pregnant. That you don't even grasp the concept is yet another proof of your IDIOCY, bmz.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#190242 Sep 23, 2013
Seeker wrote:
01. Well obviously it meant fellows Jews in 17:15. Do you think that 17:15 was telling them to appoint their Kings from the Arabs rather than fellow Jews? And the same exact phrases is used only a mere 23 verses away in 18:15 and 18:18.






Also, MUQ, the Messiah that the Jews are waiting for is clearly supposed to come from the line of David and is clearly supposed to be a Jew. All prophets in the Jewish scriptures were all Jews. That's kind of the way the Jewish religion works. Their religion says they are the chosen people and therefore all prophets will be Jewish. And even Christians believe that and realize that Jesus was a Jew....

Deut 17:15

Now it seems that this verse has become "Most Fundamental " in your argument and all your discussions shall focus around this verse.?

"Brothers of Jews" can mean different things depending upon the context. In verse 17:15, the verse following it tells "You shall not have a stranger as king over you", so its usage is restricted.

In verse 18:18, there is no such restriction and we can take alternative meaning, that too when "No prophet like Moses" has come from Jewish side.

It has been explained that "Jesus" is "Not Like Moses", so the next choice is only our prophet.

I have seen your arguments to my post, and they just keep on repeating the same phrase. There is no solution to this fixation.

03. Yes that Messiah the Jews were waiting for did come from them and he was Jesus, Quran confirms it.

But Jews were also waiting for THAT PROPHET which was to come from their "Brethrens", that is the meaning of questions they asked from John the Baptist.

Messiah is a very common term used in OT books and does not mean any strange things. So many peoples and prophets and even kings have been called as messiah , since Jews denied mission of Jesus, that is why Quran calls him as Messiah.

Since you are in "negation" mode, so you are unable to think or reason coherently and keep "looping back" your arguments to square one!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#190243 Sep 23, 2013
What the Bible Says about Prophet Mohammad (Peace be on him) Part-7E

Analyzing Deut. 18:17-19 (Contd.)

e. The prophet shall only speak what God shall command him.

We know that prophets do not say anything from their own, but they only preach the message which they receive form God, they why this special phrase is inserted into the prophesy?

To understand we have to go to the previous portion of the prophesy “I will put my words into his mouth”…So the prophet would use “Those words” as the most potent instrument of his mission.

And that is what we see in the case of our prophet Mohammad (peace be on him), that the most potent instrument of his mission was to recite Quran.

And in all times and ages, Quran has been the most important and potent tool for calling people to Islam.

This adherence and importance to Quran and its verses, we do not see in the case pf Jesus and Gospels. The Gospels do not record the actual words spoken by Jesus and Jesus does not always quote “Verbatim” what revelation he received from God.

In fact the words spoken by Jesus have been lost for ever, because all existing Gospels are in Greek and jesus spoke Hebrew or Aramaic. So even if accept the Jesus conveyed the “Actual words put into his mouth”…his followers did not consider it important to preserve those words in the same language.

And when you translate one scripture into another language, it does not remain the same.

Therefore this part of prophesy is more applicable in the case of our prophet than Jesus.(peace be on both of them)

What the Bible Says about Prophet Mohammad (Peace be on him) Part-7F

Analyzing Deut. 18:17-19 (Contd.)

f. If any one does not listen to that Prophet’ message (when he is speaking in the name of God), God Himself shall call that man to account (This is a warning, to show how Important and critical.

01. This is the closing part of the prophesy, to show its importance and no one should underestimate it, as being of trivial in nature.

02. God warns each and every one, that they should heed to the words of “That prophet” which he speaks in the name of God. If they fail to do so, God will certainly punish them.

03. And another “icing in the cake” is that every chapter of Quran starts with the phrase “BISMI ALLAH IL RAHAMAN AL RAHEEM” i.e.“In the name of Allah the Most Gracious the Most Merciful”. So that every one can see that in whose name this prophet is speaking.

04. No such formula we find in the opening of each Gospel or any chapter of Gospel or any book of Bible for that matter.

Now look once again at the whole wording of that prophesy and see how naturally and easily they fit on the personality of our prophet Mohammad (peace be on him), It is inconceivable that he “Molded himself” so as to fit for this prophesy. He who did not know how to read and how to write!!

So we can say with confidence and will all supporting evidence that this Prophesy of Deut 18:18

Namely “They have spoken well, I shall raise up a prophet from their midst, one of their brothers, who will be like you. I will put my words into his mouth and he will tell them all what I command. If some one does not listen to my words when the prophet speaks on my behalf, I will call him to account for it”(Deut. 18: 17-19).”

Is not for any one else except our prophet Mohammad (peace be on him).

Any Comments Mr. Seeker?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#190244 Sep 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You can understand the moral of that story easily. The moral is that if you have sex with a woman or a girl and withdraw just before ejaculation, there is no guarantee that she will not be pregnant.
Yes, let's divert the point so that everybody doesn't pay attention to the real point which is that Muhammad clearly condoned rape. If they were married to those women, they wouldn't care about getting them pregnant, but they had no intention of marrying them at all and usually had the intention of selling them off after they had their fun with them. And you won't get a good trade with a pregnant woman. It amazes me how you want to do everything else BUT talk about this clear fact. This is now the third time you have tried to divert this issue into one of whether coitis interruptus prevents pregnancy or not, so that you can avoid the issue that they were clearly being raped. Always so much diversion and therefore dishonesty going on.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#190245 Sep 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Deut 17:15
Now it seems that this verse has become "Most Fundamental " in your argument and all your discussions shall focus around this verse.?
"Brothers of Jews" can mean different things depending upon the context. In verse 17:15, the verse following it tells "You shall not have a stranger as king over you", so its usage is restricted.
In verse 18:18, there is no such restriction and we can take alternative meaning,
Now why would we do that when the author gives no indication that he means an entirely different group of people only a mere 23 verses away? What is the indication that the author has now suddenly and drastically changed the meaning for the same exact phrase? And the only reasonable answer is that we should arbitrarily assume that the author means an entirely different group of people, while giving no indication of that at all, simply because you need it to be so.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
that too when "No prophet like Moses" has come from Jewish side.
That was from Deuteronomy 34 and at the time of it's writing, no prophet like Moses had come after him yet. No prophet who directly talked to God and performed powerful miracles. That's what Deuteronomy said and it is the only indication we get from the scriptures as to what it means to be like Moses. I told you before, it's debatable whether it refers to Jesus or not, but it most certainly is not referring to Muhammad.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
It has been explained that "Jesus" is "Not Like Moses", so the next choice is only our prophet.
Actually, if we pay attention to Deuteronomy 34, where being like Moses is described as seeing God and performing miracles, Jesus would more much more like Moses. But it's debatable whether it's Jesus or not only because it says Prophet in 18:15 and 18.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes that Messiah the Jews were waiting for did come from them and he was Jesus, Quran confirms it.
It doesn't matter whether the Quran confirms it or not, for all we know, the Quran is a complete fraud. We are talking about prophecies in the Jewish scriptures, and possibly prophecies in the NT. You can call them frauds as well, but I don't know how you can do that when you are plucking things from them to prove Muhammad was prophecised. You can't call them frauds and then turn around and use them to suit your needs. You can't say they are legitimate if and only when you need them to be. Either they are to be trusted, or they aren't. How do you pull such logic acrobatics off without seeing the problem with them? Yes, let's say that the author means an entirely different group of people by the same exact phrase only a mere 23 verses away, even though the author gives ZERO indication that we should do that. And, let's also pluck what we want out of an NT book that we are supposed to deem untrustworthy. Let's face it, if something says what you need it to say, then that's the trustworthy part, if it doesn't, then that's the non trustworthy part. And you can't even see one single problem with such faulty, subjective, self serving logic.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
But Jews were also waiting for THAT PROPHET which was to come from their "Brethrens", that is the meaning of questions they asked from John the Baptist.
So verses from John are now to be trusted? Would you like me to quote you all of the verses from John that clearly point to Jesus' divinity?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Messiah is a very common term used in OT books and does not mean any strange things. So many peoples and prophets and even kings have been called as messiah ,
Ask the Jews about that. Their scriptures clearly say that their Messiah shall come from the seed of David. So your point about Muhammad solving the problem of no one coming from the Jews who is greater than Moses was nonsense. The Messiah will be even greater. That was my point. Ask a Jew. They'll tell you.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#190246 Sep 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
What the Bible Says about Prophet Mohammad (Peace be on him) Part-7E
Analyzing Deut. 18:17-19 (Contd.)
e. The prophet shall only speak what God shall command him.
We know that prophets do not say anything from their own,
That is not true. Moses was not allowed to fulfill his dream of entering the promised land because when he stuck the rock to get water from it, he said things that God did not tell him to say. Ask a Jew. They will tell you. Assumption after assumption after assumption on your part.
MUQ wrote:
but they only preach the message which they receive form God, they why this special phrase is inserted into the prophesy? To understand we have to go to the previous portion of the prophesy “I will put my words into his mouth”…So the prophet would use “Those words” as the most potent instrument of his mission.
And that is what we see in the case of our prophet Mohammad (peace be on him), that the most potent instrument of his mission was to recite Quran.
First of all, we have to make the assumption that he was reciting what God told him to recite. Allah sure likes to change his mind as Muhammad's circumstances changed and that is why there is what is called "abrogation" in the Quran where a later verse supersedes an earlier one and takes precedence if the two seem to be contradictory. I guess God just didn't realize how the circumstances would change over the course of 23 years. Secondly, have you ever heard of the Satanic Verses where Muhammad acknowledged the gods of the Meccans because he wanted to appease them and the next day he took those back and abrogated them because he claimed they were Satan inspired?
MUQ wrote:
And in all times and ages, Quran has been the most important and potent tool for calling people to Islam.
And the writings and sayings of Buddha call people to Buddhism. So what?
MUQ wrote:
This adherence and importance to Quran and its verses, we do not see in the case pf Jesus and Gospels. The Gospels do not record the actual words spoken by Jesus and Jesus does not always quote “Verbatim” what revelation he received from God.
Speaking only what they are told has nothing to do with a book. It's talking about what the person actually said and did. We have no indication that Jesus ever abrogated anything that he said like Muhammad did.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#190247 Sep 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Analyzing Deut. 18:17-19 (Contd.)

02. God warns each and every one, that they should heed to the words of “That prophet” which he speaks in the name of God. If they fail to do so, God will certainly punish them.
03. And another “icing in the cake” is that every chapter of Quran starts with the phrase “BISMI ALLAH IL RAHAMAN AL RAHEEM” i.e.“In the name of Allah the Most Gracious the Most Merciful”. So that every one can see that in whose name this prophet is speaking.
So if Muhammad claims this about himself and that he is doing this all in God's name, it must be so. If he claims that God is giving him these words, it must be so. LOL!! So did Jim Jones. So did Charles Manson. Any fraud is going to do whatever they think they need to to get people to believe them. But when it comes time for them to show a miracle or two, that is where they begin to make excuses.
MUQ wrote:
04. No such formula we find in the opening of each Gospel or any chapter of Gospel or any book of Bible for that matter.
The Gospels are merely authors retelling what happened. Jesus never brought a book like Muhammad claimed and never even as much as referenced one. That was merely Muhammad's misunderstanding where he thought there must have been an original Gospel of Jesus. There never was. Why do you think we can't find multiple versions of the Gospel of Jesus anywhere? Because there never was any such thing. This is why they are are called the Gospel According to (author's name). Don't you think if there he was an original "Injeel" or Gospel of Jesus, that this is what people would try to corrupt? Read Jeremiah 31:31 and on, and you will see why Jesus never brought a book. One of the things it said was that the law shall be written ion the hearts on minds of men in the new covenant, as opposed to a book in the old covenant.
MUQ wrote:
It is inconceivable that he “Molded himself” so as to fit for this prophesy.
It is inconceivable that someone would try to do that? Are you kidding me?
MUQ wrote:
He who did not know how to read and how to write!!
Illiterate Arabs of that time recited and memorized tons of wonderful poetry. Poetry was how they remembered things because they couldn't write them down. And Muhammad was a trader and spoke with plenty of Christians and Jews about their scriptures, and continued to do after his declaration of being a Prophet. Why would someone who Allah was talking to need to ask the Christians and Jews about details of their scriptures? And creating poetry over the course of 23 years is not impressive at all. If he would have recited the whole Quran in a week or a month, that would have been impressive. There was no need for the Quran to be revealed over 23 years, it was only revealed that way because as Muhammad's circumstances changed, out comes another Sura to give him permission to do what he wants to do. And that is why there is abrogation in the Quran because Muhammad couldn't predict how his circumstances would change. This is why no compulsion in religion when Muhammad had no army, was abrogated by verses like 9:5 after he had a big army.
MUQ wrote:
So we can say with confidence and will all supporting evidence that this Prophesy of Deut 18:18
Namely “They have spoken well, I shall raise up a prophet from their midst, one of their brothers, who will be like you. I will put my words into his mouth and he will tell them all what I command. If some one does not listen to my words when the prophet speaks on my behalf, I will call him to account for it”(Deut. 18: 17-19).”
Is not for any one else except our prophet Mohammad (peace be on him).
Any Comments Mr. Seeker?
You forgot about 18:20. Maybe one can say that Jesus died, but he was also supposedly resurrected so I'm not sure if that really counts as death. And the Quran even says he did not die but was raised up. But Muhammad was poisoned and remained dead.

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