Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256382 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#183496 Jul 25, 2013
uhuh wrote:
asexual reproduction: the offspring arise from a single parent
if Jesus is the offspring of ASEXUAL reproduction, Mary is the SINGLE parent, since he came out of her
but if Jesus is also son of God, he has TWO parents i.e. he is the offspring of SEXUAL reproduction
so... who sired Jesus? whose gametes fertilized the eggs of 12-yr old Mary? lol
The Quran affirms the immaculate conception part of the NT where Jesus' birth is concerned.

Immaculate conception as narrated by NT and Quran is absurd since it indicates the materialization of a disembodied/typal consciousness in a woman's womb sans the sex act and in the absence of gametes.

Such an "immaculate" process is convoluted and artificial.

So, if at all some god wished to materialize a disembodied or an archetypal consciousness in a female's womb, why not materialize the same directly on earth without going through the chosen woman's womb which only complicates the matter and is a long and an arduous process spread over 9 months and besides the materialized spirit would be infected by the mother's negative personality traits and genetic drawbacks thus making it impure and thereby lowering its innate divinity?

Why should the materializing spirit need the genes, psyche, flesh, hormones, blood and embryonic nutrition of the mother when it can be directly be manifested in matter free of the maternal flaws?

Besides, Mary was the product of her male and female ancestors and so the ancestral male as well as female genetic contributions with their adverse aspects would have been essentially present in Jesus' body if at all we believe in the ridiculous tale of immaculate conception as narrated by the NT/Quran.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#183497 Jul 25, 2013
SB wrote:
01. Your beliefs make no sense, MUQ. If Jesus is in no way God, why does he come back to defeat the Antichrist?

02. Your beliefs about Jesus as a prophet are why I am not a Muslim. The coming Antichrist is God incarnate and will unite the righteous of all faiths.

03. Jesus is the one who must and will be defeated. You do not believe in the crucifixion or resurrection, how can you believe in the NT at all? Jesus was sent by Satan to finish his work and he has proven to be a false prophet. You're as ignorant as the Christians are. Bottom line, the man is dead.
Ans.

01. Why God has to come to defeat Anti Christ? He can kill him at any time. He will sent Jesus to do that job, because Jesus is the personality about whom both his believers and his rejecters have gone to extreme.

His followers have turned him into God and his rejecters call him "false prophet and that he was not Messiah"

And he is one who has not tasted this "worldly death"….So God will send him down to complete all these tasks, and unite all Children of Adam into one religion.

Allah Knows Best.

02. I am sorry, if our belief in Jesus is holding you back from accepting Islam. Islamic faith cannot be changed just because of you. It is upto you to reconsider your decision.

03. It seems you have "already decided" to follow this Anti Christ!!

Have you any "jewish blood" in your veins?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#183498 Jul 25, 2013
Seeker wrote:
01. MUQ, all that you are doing is to find reasons where Jesus could be disqualified from being prophesized. And that is correct. This is the first thing that someone should look at before even considering similarities.

02. If there are any IMPORTANT elements of the prophecy that the person does not or even CANNOT meet, then there is no reason to consider it any further. Now, there is nothing that outright disqualifies Jesus as being the person prophesized by Isaiah...

03. There is a very important element of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18:18 that immediately disqualifies Muhammad, and you know exactly what that is because I have already mentioned how 17:15 immediately disqualifies him.

04. That is a good methodology. But when it comes to Muhammad, suddenly the rules get switched and we are supposed to ignore what disqualifies him, and jump right into where he has similarities. This is exactly what you are attempting to do by building this whole, unnecessary "setup".

05. The interesting thing that I notice about so many Muslims, is their willingness to apply one set of rules when they think it suits their needs, and then change the rules in another instance if they think that changing these will suit their needs...

06. If you had ever had formal classes in logic and philosophy, you would understand this as a clear, subjective, logical fallacy. Only objectivity and consistent application of the rules counts in discussions like these...
Ans.

01. My dear brother, I am not trying "my best" to disqualify Jesus on "flimsiest of grounds".

I listed all the qualities mentioned in those prophesies and mentioned that Jesus did not satisfy many of "Most important" points in that list.

Isaiah 7:14 has nothing to with jesus at all, as I told you, it was related to a "Local affair" of the time. It was mention of word "Young women and Emmanuel" which fuelled the imaginations of those looking for prophesies!

02. The prudent approach my dear brother is what you suggested, is that we make a list of all qualities mentioned in that prophesy and then check and verify how many of these are fulfilled by our prospective candidate.

03. Since I am not discussing about our prophet being prophesized, so I will not comment on what you wrote about Deut. 18:18 and 18: 15. It is premature at this time.

04. So my dear brother, please pick up a very clear and unambiguous prophesy about Jesus from so many OT books, so we can prove by criterion fixed by you that it refers to Jesus.

05 & 06. I think these issues are not part of our discussion and we need only to focus on job at hand. There are so many people on this thread, who would love to engage you in these endless discussions.

Since you people claim that prophesies about Jesus are in hundreds and even in thousands, it should not be difficult.

My dear brother, I told you in advance that I am a slow learner and I want to proceed in a slow manner, one step at a time.

PS:

Always keep in mind my dear brother, that I do not DENY that Jesus' advent was not foretold in OT books.

May be not as many times as Zealot Christians believe but present in abundance.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#183499 Jul 25, 2013
Muslims are being deceptive about Islam.

Islam violates the human rights of non-Muslims.
Islam is a culture of death.
The insanity of Muslims is that they live in a fantasy world believing that they are the perfect human beings on earth.
You don't get it Muslim.
Your mind set is that of your seventh century prophet Muhammad, and this is the 21st century where every thing Muslims do is known all over the world.
Nothing is hidden from the public like it was back in Muhammad's time.
Your rhetoric is stale and old..
People have excess to reading the Quran and Hadiths for them self.
So they know the truth about Islam.
Again I say Muslims don't get!
The religion of Islam has to stand on its own merits, and it fails to stand up to the test of being a peaceful religion.
Muslims say non-Muslims don't understand Muhammad's religion,
But it is the Muslims them self that are an example of their religion that every one can see and judge,

And it is easy to spot a Muslim because all Muslims emulate their prophet Muhammad in words and deeds in the world.

You see Muslim you represent Muhammad here in this present day.
And like Muhammad was rejected by non-Muslims, Non-Muslims are still rejecting Muhammad today.

Just like back in Muhammad's time non-Muslims didn't reject God, they rejected Muhammad, it is still the same way today,
non-Muslims don't reject God they still reject Muhammad.
That's what you don't understand.
Muslims in to days world are still trying to shove Muhammad on to non-Muslims, and non-Muslims are still to day rejecting Muhammad.

Non-Muslims have the intelligence to reject Muhammad.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183500 Jul 25, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Fifth off, do me a favour learn Greek.
And finally, do all of us a favour:

Learn Hebrew and Aramaic. Then translate the poor and unscriptural Greek back into those languages. Only then you will be able to understand Jesus.

For example, if you take the absurd translation from crude Greek "The Father and I are one", and translate it back into Jesus' native language, it would mean "The Father and I are on the same side."

It will not mean: "The Father and I are the one and the same person."

If Christians and their supporters learn Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, I assure you that you will be thanking and applauding us and also the Jews.

If you tell an ordinary Greek in English: "A bad workman quarrels with his tools", he will ask you, "Why does he quarrel with his tools? How can a man quarrel with his tools?"

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183501 Jul 25, 2013
Shamma wrote:
You are afraid of the truth.

You live in a fantasy world that is crumbling down.

Your self ego won't save you at the end.

Every one is required to do good deeds.

That is called civility.

But a sin against God cannot be wiped away with a good deed.

Muslims are screwed.

Muhammad was a bad boy, and Muslims are told to emulate the bad boy Muhammad.
LOL!
How Civil was that?

You sin is forgiven. Sin no more.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#183502 Jul 25, 2013
What good can fasting and praying achieve during Ramadhan?

Deluded fools fast and pray under the illusion that someone invisible up there will show them the light and that if they refuse to fast and pray then they'll be punished by that same entity.

LMAO.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#183503 Jul 25, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are afraid of the truth.
You live in a fantasy world that is crumbling down.
Your self ego won't save you at the end.
Every one is required to do good deeds.
That is called civility.
But a sin against God cannot be wiped away with a good deed.
Muslims are screwed.
Muhammad was a bad boy, and Muslims are told to emulate the bad boy Muhammad.
LOL!
Sorry to burst your bubble...
You are afraid of the truth.
You live in a fantasy world that is crumbling down.
Your self ego won't save you at the end.
Every one is required to do good deeds.
That is called civility.
But a sin can be wiped away with a good deed, if God so Wills as God is MOST forgiving.
Crosstians are screwed.
BJ and Paul were bad boys, and Crosstians are told to emulate none/nothing in particular!
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#183504 Jul 25, 2013
WHERE IS ALLAH?

The whole Muslim world is steadily being destroyed by Israel and the West and even China and India are covertly controlling and destabilizing the Muslim nations and besides poverty, internecine strife and ignorance stalk Muslim lands. The Kaaba was attacked and torched on several occasions in the past and its in-house stone phallus was shattered to bits that it now has to be held together by a silver band and some adhesive . That satanist Muhammad died a most painful death, having suffered for months, after being poisoned and all the 4 murderous caliphs and many of Muhammad's blood relatives were murdered. Still there's no sign of Allah. LMAO.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#183505 Jul 25, 2013
JOEL wrote:
What good can fasting and praying achieve during Ramadhan?
Deluded fools fast and pray under the illusion that someone invisible up there will show them the light and that if they refuse to fast and pray then they'll be punished by that same entity.
LMAO.
Salaamz Joel & Ramadan Mubarakh to you. LOL! Fun post yours.You really open yourself to all sorts of redundant replies with this one.LOL! its plain to see you really dont understand the depth and richness of what is implied by any fast,mush less the Ramadan fast.Perhaps a little more than a cursory understanding of fasting is needed for you to achieve the spiritual understanding of its intents in the first place.Start with just the health benifits alone.That will keep you out of mischief for at least a minute. CheerZ
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#183506 Jul 25, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
How Civil was that?
You sin is forgiven. Sin no more.
SalaamZ O Magnificient One & Ramadan Mubarakh to you BaeraDaer.Isnt it funny how brother-Shammy trys SOooooo hard to convince himself that Muslims are skru'd,just because he says it is so.It reminds me of the great meeting between the Arabic league of Crosstians debators who met with Muhammad & His family of muslim believers.Upon the sight of the prophet,the Crosstian leader recognized such piousness and unwavering faith in the eyes of Muhammad & family,That they lost all desire to debate crosstianity with them!LOL! ALLAHu-Akhbar! CheerZ

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183507 Jul 25, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
And finally, do all of us a favour:
Learn Hebrew and Aramaic. Then translate the poor and unscriptural Greek back into those languages. Only then you will be able to understand Jesus.
For example, if you take the absurd translation from crude Greek "The Father and I are one", and translate it back into Jesus' native language, it would mean "The Father and I are on the same side."
It will not mean: "The Father and I are the one and the same person."
If Christians and their supporters learn Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, I assure you that you will be thanking and applauding us and also the Jews.
If you tell an ordinary Greek in English: "A bad workman quarrels with his tools", he will ask you, "Why does he quarrel with his tools? How can a man quarrel with his tools?"
With this post one can really see how stupid you are.

What you are failing to understand is that "The Father and I are one" has different meanings according to the interpretation that a person gives to it, and so it's not matter of language. No one was or is arguing the translation, you dummy. For example given that sentence above, a mystic will give a different meaning from what you gave.

Don't blame the Greek, which is not better or worst than any other language.

P.S. It's so funny to read you called Greek a poor language when you don't know it at all, and considering the fact that ancient Greeks called pretty often yuur supposed ancestors barbarian, meaning stutterers because that was what they were doing when they tried to speak Greek. Your ancestors were ignorant fools and so you. Nothing has changed after so many centuries. LOL
JOEL

Srinagar, India

#183508 Jul 25, 2013
Ramadhan fast is unscientific since it reccomends fasting by day and eating by night when the metabolic system slows down. Ramadhan fast is damaging to the body and it unbalances the mind and is thus mumbo jumbo . The best fasts are devised by medical experts, not by Allah-Rasool. LOL.
JOEL

Srinagar, India

#183509 Jul 25, 2013
"My Father and I are one" is the monistic or nondual experience - a union in consciousness of the object with the subject attained during deep trance states.
JOEL

India

#183510 Jul 25, 2013
Stasis exceeds trance and nondualism though it is attained via these subtle conditions of consciousness.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183511 Jul 25, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>SalaamZ O Magnificient One & Ramadan Mubarakh to you BaeraDaer.

Isnt it funny how brother-Shammy trys SOooooo hard to convince himself that Muslims are skru'd, just because he says it is so.

It reminds me of the great meeting between the Arabic league of Crosstians debators who met with Muhammad & His family of muslim believers.

Upon the sight of the prophet,the Crosstian leader recognized such piousness and unwavering faith in the eyes of Muhammad & family,That they lost all desire to debate crosstianity with them!LOL! ALLAHu-Akhbar! CheerZ
Very true, Rabbeen

Brother Shamma has tunnel vision and needs a final round of spit and mud to make him see better.

Unfortunately Jesus is not here and I don't have time to spit and polish brother Shamma's eyes.

Those Christians, who were living in darkness saw the light in Muhammad and accepted him. Many still do daily.

This is how the exchanges went, dear Rabbeen:

Note: C stands for Christians and M stands for Muhammad.

M: Who do you worship?

C: We worship only one God.

M: Then why do you believe in Trinity? Jesus never taught that! Bring your good book and show me
if he said that God was a Trinity!

The book does not say that but the Church tells us.

M: And who do you say Jesus was?

C: Jesus was the son of God.

M: But God has no son and Jesus never said that he was the son of God.

C: Yes, our good book says.

M: Bring your book and show me where did he say that?

C: The book does not exactly say that but the Church tells us.

M: See, your book does not say anything like that and you believe just because the UnAuthorized Church told you?

Every time, I ask you to bring the book and show me, you are unable to support any of her teachings.

Exchanges continued, Muhammad opened their minds to the Scripture (not the Christian Bible), they saw the light and accepted Islam.

That is exactly the approach we use here and our Christian brothers are always unable to produce any evidence.

Salaams
BMZ

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183512 Jul 25, 2013
JOEL wrote:
"My Father and I are one" is the monistic or nondual experience - a union in consciousness of the object with the subject attained during deep trance states.
That is bull shit, Joel!

Jesus did not say that in a trance. There is no report that he went into a trance. He was alert all the time. lol!

He simply meant that he was on the side of God. You should be able to understand that easily, being an Oriental yourself. The poor translation comes from a scripturally poor language that Jesus did not speak.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183513 Jul 25, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
With this post one can really see how stupid you are.

What you are failing to understand is that "The Father and I are one" has different meanings according to the interpretation that a person gives to it, and so it's not matter of language. No one was or is arguing the translation, you dummy. For example given that sentence above, a mystic will give a different meaning from what you gave.

Don't blame the Greek, which is not better or worst than any other language.

P.S. It's so funny to read you called Greek a poor language when you don't know it at all, and considering the fact that ancient Greeks called pretty often yuur supposed ancestors barbarian, meaning stutterers because that was what they were doing when they tried to speak Greek. Your ancestors were ignorant fools and so you. Nothing has changed after so many centuries. LOL
What you have added in the P.S.(Post Script) already shows what a crude and poor language Greek is and how appreciative you are of that poor and crude language, which is unfit for Scripture.

Forget Jesus and his "The Father and I are one" for a while.

Did anyone call Jesus, Father? Have you read anywhere that the Church believes that Jesus was the Father and declares that?

Only a fool would interpret to say that Jesus claimed to be the Father just because of that poor language, which gave rise to absurd interpretations.

The problem is that you do not know how a foreign language ruined Jesus' own language.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183514 Jul 25, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Muslims are being deceptive about Islam.
Islam violates the human rights of non-Muslims.
Islam is a culture of death.
The insanity of Muslims is that they live in a fantasy world believing that they are the perfect human beings on earth.
You don't get it Muslim.
Your mind set is that of your seventh century prophet Muhammad, and this is the 21st century where every thing Muslims do is known all over the world.
Nothing is hidden from the public like it was back in Muhammad's time.
Your rhetoric is stale and old..
People have excess to reading the Quran and Hadiths for them self.
So they know the truth about Islam.
Again I say Muslims don't get!
The religion of Islam has to stand on its own merits, and it fails to stand up to the test of being a peaceful religion.
Muslims say non-Muslims don't understand Muhammad's religion,
But it is the Muslims them self that are an example of their religion that every one can see and judge,
And it is easy to spot a Muslim because all Muslims emulate their prophet Muhammad in words and deeds in the world.
You see Muslim you represent Muhammad here in this present day.
And like Muhammad was rejected by non-Muslims, Non-Muslims are still rejecting Muhammad today.
Just like back in Muhammad's time non-Muslims didn't reject God, they rejected Muhammad, it is still the same way today,
non-Muslims don't reject God they still reject Muhammad.
That's what you don't understand.
Muslims in to days world are still trying to shove Muhammad on to non-Muslims, and non-Muslims are still to day rejecting Muhammad.
Non-Muslims have the intelligence to reject Muhammad.
I tot I taw a tistian! True tat!

How to discuss with an annoying fool, who writes this kind of English? And how can one expect such a fool to read and understand his own Bible.

"People have excess to reading the Quran and Hadiths for them self."

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183515 Jul 25, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
The Quran affirms the immaculate conception part of the NT where Jesus' birth is concerned.

Immaculate conception as narrated by NT and Quran is absurd since it indicates the materialization of a disembodied/typal consciousness in a woman's womb sans the sex act and in the absence of gametes.

Such an "immaculate" process is convoluted and artificial.

So, if at all some god wished to materialize a disembodied or an archetypal consciousness in a female's womb, why not materialize the same directly on earth without going through the chosen woman's womb which only complicates the matter and is a long and an arduous process spread over 9 months and besides the materialized spirit would be infected by the mother's negative personality traits and genetic drawbacks thus making it impure and thereby lowering its innate divinity?

Why should the materializing spirit need the genes, psyche, flesh, hormones, blood and embryonic nutrition of the mother when it can be directly be manifested in matter free of the maternal flaws?
Besides, Mary was the product of her male and female ancestors and so the ancestral male as well as female genetic contributions with their adverse aspects would have been essentially present in Jesus' body if at all we believe in the ridiculous tale of immaculate conception as narrated by the NT/Quran.
Do you even know what Immaculate Conception is and what is it about?

Immaculate conception has nothing to do with Jesus. Qur'aan does not talk about that Church thingy.

That is a dogma of the Church, which believes that Mary was sinless from the moment she was conceived in her mother's womb.

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