Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256390 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#183415 Jul 23, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Okay, so I admit it. So what do I do next? I'm always open minded and willing to listen.
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So how should the world try it? Guide us.
rabbee: would it be to difficult, for you to consider yourself here in TheOnly Story TheG-D of Only TheTorah is ever going to physically give?

G-D is not really, asking for a lot here. we take care of the mental free will attitude part, so that G-D shall see to the physical fashioning part here in TheTorah. and behold as if by magic, your physical life mysteriously straightens out by command of G-D. as your ability to sin, begins to disappear more and more. G-D is in charge of what you, i or anyone in this world actually does.

the reason for physical sinning, is to make us aware our mental relationship with G-D is at risk. and most have become so normalized to it, they don't recognize it unless the are made aware. but the more you realize you are here in TheTorah, the more and more everything begins to make sense.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#183416 Jul 23, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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So how does someone do that?
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So is it wrong for people to follow the scriptures that they have?
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So how do people improve?
rabbee either you are away of being here in TheTorah from G-D, or you are mentally hiding as if you are not here in IT.

there is a lot of good advice in scripture, but there is danger if any of it has been altered along the way.

believe in G-D, here and now in TheTorah. and you shall improve, G-D shall see to this. you shall be amazed, that the truth shall continue to come to you.

and you really do not need, any one to lead you through this. the only thing you might need is some encouragement from time to time. and i am sure, that G-D shall supply that too. it is really remarkable when, what happens when you can see yourself here in TheTorah. believe me, G-D shall take, a personal interest in you. but sometimes it can be a wild ride, coming from out of the darkness and into the light.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#183417 Jul 23, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, so I admit it. So what do I do next? I'm always open minded and willing to listen.
<quoted text>
So how should the world try it? Guide us.
rabbee: start by being observant, of your surroundings. and just watch, what happens. and know that it is G-D, WHO is commanding all the physical aspects. as you really should be listening, to the silent movie of G-D doing the talking. and tune out all the bs, that people say is the way they think it is happening.

start off with an easy one, tune out all the rhetoric about syria. and tell me why do you think, G-D is commanding that plague to happen? without any input, from even me. how does G-D, really see muslimanity? forget about what muq or alex or any other expert says is true. try to be as honest, with G-D as you can be.

the hardest part for the world, is their denial of being here in TheTorah. if the world were to accept being here in TheTorah. i can assure you GanEden would happen. everything would fall into place, where it should be with G-D.

but that has always been the problem, getting the world to accept being here in TheTorah. heck even the alleged as jews, do not really believe we are still here in TheTorah. which has always been, their attitude problem.

and i really do not think, i should have to guide any one. if they can accept even the possibility that we are all here in TheTorah. with everything no longer normally, expertly coming from the devil. then it has to normally beginning normally coming from G-D Proper. there is no grey area, it's like night and day. with the twilight zone, in between coming and going.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#183418 Jul 23, 2013
i really do not want to intervene, in any ones discoveries with G-D here in TheTorah. there is extreme danger, in becoming an idol to anyone.

most you shall see me do, is to discourage for a wrong direction and encourage toward a right direction. any rebuke i give, is meant to discourage from continuing in the wrong directions. since the only right direction is with G-D here and now in TheTorah.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#183419 Jul 23, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
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You seemed to have arrived at your conclusion about Jesus using "human" way of thinking.
Therefore, it is only right that we stick to similar rationale.
Otherwise, we can play with all kinds of assumptions, hypotheses that can also be very random.
By introducing a son, we have already "humanised" God. We can't then claim something else about God's attributes in the same breath.
As Christians say, why limit God?
Why can't God kick out the characters from OT and favour a brand new race of people?
Why can't God use an angel to contact humans?
Why can't God do A, B or C?
We can then end up with zillions of combinations and permutations.
I am up for it!
You really need to take time out and rationally think through what you are saying.
If Jesus did not talk to us as being human beings how could we understand what Jesus is telling us how to live our life that is acceptable to God?

Secondly if God had to depend upon angels to guide us we would be void of receiving Gods laws in our heart and mind.
And thirdly God would not be sufficient in all things.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#183420 Jul 23, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
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You seemed to have arrived at your conclusion about Jesus using "human" way of thinking.
It had nothing to do with what God should do.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#183421 Jul 23, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: start by being observant, of your surroundings. and just watch, what happens. and know that it is G-D, WHO is commanding all the physical aspects.
I think that I and some others already know that.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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as you really should be listening, to the silent movie of G-D doing the talking.
I do.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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and tune out all the bs, that people say is the way they think it is happening.
I can. Just because i participate on a forum, doesn't mean that I don't or can't do that. You would be surprised. So far, you aren't saying anything that mystics such as Lao Tzu or Jiddu Krishnamurti or Anthony Demello have said.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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start off with an easy one, tune out all the rhetoric about syria.
I never cared much about it. They like to fight, so let them fight.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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and tell me why do you think, G-D is commanding that plague to happen?
I'm not God, so anything that I say would merely be a guess anyway.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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without any input, from even me.
So are you asking the people of Syria to consult you?
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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how does G-D, really see muslimanity? forget about what muq or alex or any other expert says is true. try to be as honest, with G-D as you can be.
I actually reject Islam because it is supposed to be the word for word dictation of God, rather than merely inspired by God, and yet it makes so many errors about the cosmos, and has no philosophical depth as well.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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the hardest part for the world, is their denial of being here in TheTorah.
They can't stop denying that unless you clearly explain what you mean by "here in TheTorah", but you never do.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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if the world were to accept being here in TheTorah. i can assure you GanEden would happen. everything would fall into place, where it should be with G-D.
Well maybe that can start with you actually explaining what "here in TheTorah" actually means in some sort of clear or meaningful way.
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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but that has always been the problem, getting the world to accept being here in TheTorah. heck even the alleged as jews, do not really believe we are still here in TheTorah. which has always been, their attitude problem.
and i really do not think, i should have to guide any one.
Then why are you here?
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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if they can accept even the possibility that we are all here in TheTorah. with everything no longer normally, expertly coming from the devil. then it has to normally beginning normally coming from G-D Proper.
"Has to normally beginning normally" makes no sense. Can you at least use proper English and grammar so that people might try to understand what you are saying?
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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there is no grey area, it's like night and day. with the twilight zone, in between coming and going.
What exactly is that supposed to mean to anybody?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#183422 Jul 23, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
i really do not want to intervene, in any ones discoveries with G-D here in TheTorah. there is extreme danger, in becoming an idol to anyone.
most you shall see me do, is to discourage for a wrong direction and encourage toward a right direction. any rebuke i give, is meant to discourage from continuing in the wrong directions. since the only right direction is with G-D here and now in TheTorah.
If you can't explain the right direction other than saying being "here in TheTorah", then being critical really has no purpose. Why say that others are wrong if you can't properly explain how they can make it right? Criticism by itself is meaningless and pointless, unless it merely makes you feel better or cures your boredom.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183423 Jul 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
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So, why does your God need a son? Isn't your God self-sufficient? I am not done yet.
Good questions to give to a Christian.

I also wondered why your god needs a partner to have a son? Isn't he self-sufficient and almighty?
Atheist Silurist

London, UK

#183424 Jul 23, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Good questions to give to a Christian.
I also wondered why your god needs a partner to have a son? Isn't he self-sufficient and almighty?
I would also like to know why people still believe in such mindless nonsense?
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#183425 Jul 23, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: don't believe you can find a command, to justify what you just said.
I have your own statement above. What better source could there be?
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#183426 Jul 23, 2013
yehoshooah adam
Denver, CO
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rabbee: all you have to do, is to agree with them. so in essence they do apply, to everyone here in TheTorah. whether you are male of female, you are required to reject those are in non-compliance. even the command that no male, shall like with another male as with a woman. since it also violates the command, to be fruitfull and multiply, and the first command. all sins violate, the first command of G-D. all sinning is a symptom of not being, true to G-D.

__________

So, Just as everyone can acknowledge the 611; everyone can acknowledge the 2
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#183427 Jul 23, 2013
uhuh wrote:
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the characters in the gospels may be historical
but their account in the narrative is mostly made up FICTION (especially in the Gospel coming out of the john)
Jesus the Jew did not claim divinity
1.I have noted the avoidance but let me ask you AGAIN which one of your rabbis are ONE with God?

2. Which one of them came down from heaven?

3. Which one of them can forgive your sins?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#183428 Jul 23, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
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Before you come up with utter nonsense, please stop and think, Shamma.
Even if we go along with your "original/inherited" sin concept, surely God can CREATE a very pure person representing ALL races, chop his head off and be done with it.
Why confuse the issue by involving a Jewish woman and eventually a Jewish Jesus? The final insult is the killing of the poor man. He was not sacrificed for any sin. He was murdered by brutally like a convict.
Sacrifice has rituals and rules.
Please stop claiming that the murder of the poor man is some kind of sacrifice.
That would not be Godly, and God would be committing sin against Himself.
Only God can forgive sin.

What you lack Alex is respect for the integrity of God.

God's Words - God's Integrity
Integrity means: Honesty, soundness, etc.• God's Word IS a matter of god's integrity. Either God is to be believed, or it matters little what else is debated of Him.

This issue of the soundness of God's Word; of the presence of God's Words yet today existing preserved is an issue of god's integrity, of whether God is to be believed.

If God has no integrity, then all He stands for is not.

The Author of our Bible said He would preserve His Word forever, AND TO every generation!

If He did not, Cannot, He is the liar; His integrity is faulty, NOT the Bible corrupters.

If His Word has not been "Perfectly" preserved, free of error, He is no more than man and has done no more than man alone could do.

I say again, the issue is Divine Integrity!

The Bible says that God warned Adam about eating the forbidden fruit:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die (Genesis 2:17).

Eve also understood this warning as she repeated it to Satan.

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die (Genesis 3:3).

Did they actually die when they ate the forbidden fruit? The Bible says that they did not physically die the moment they ate the fruit but lived on many years afterward. Is this a contradiction? The answer is, No. There are several ways in which to understand the sense in which Adam and Eve died.

Three Types Of Death

The Bible lists three types of death. There is physical death when the body dies. A second type of death is spiritual death - a separation of the spirit from the body. A third type of death is eternal death - permanent separation of humanity from God.

Death Was Spiritual

Adam and Eve did die when they ate the forbidden fruit, but their death was spiritual, not physical. The main idea behind death is separation. The death that Adam and Eve experienced when they ate the forbidden fruit was immediate separation from God.

We will be eternally separated from God (spiritual death).

Isaiah 59:1 (NLT) Listen! The LORD is not too weak to save you,
and he is not becoming deaf. He can hear you when you call.
Isaiah 59:2 (NLT) But there is a problem--your sins have cut you
off from God. Because of your sin, he has turned away and will not
listen anymore.

It is Gods words spoken to Adam. and Adam Tested Gods integrity , and Adam lost out, Adam died an instant spiritual death and lost his friendship with God, and it was permanently.

There is no record of God telling Adam and eve that if they disobeyed God, that God would forgive them.

In Isaiah 59:2 God spoke through the prophet Isiah telling Isiah:
Isaiah 59:2 (NLT) But there is a problem--your sins have cut you
off from God. Because of your sin, he has turned away and will not
listen anymore.

Is God a liar Alex?

How did God solve this problem with out loosing Gods integrity Alex?
Greg

New York, NY

#183429 Jul 23, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Good questions to give to a Christian.
I also wondered why your god needs a partner to have a son? Isn't he self-sufficient and almighty?
To call someone a son automatically means that he has a mother and a father. In the case of Jesus the Son, his father is the Father and his mother is the Mother of God.
To produce a co-equal without having a mate is like a virus replicating itself. The product then is not called a son but a clone.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183430 Jul 23, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Good questions to give to a Christian.
I also wondered why your god needs a partner to have a son? Isn't he self-sufficient and almighty?
Why did you wonder? Wasn't my post clear to you?

Is God a man that he should have a son?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183431 Jul 23, 2013
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>

To produce a co-equal without having a mate is like a virus replicating itself. The product then is not called a son but a clone.
Thanks for giving the right word Clone to Colonna. Enjoyed reading that.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#183432 Jul 23, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>That would not be Godly, and God would be committing sin against Himself.
Only God can forgive sin.
What you lack Alex is respect for the integrity of God.
God's Words - God's Integrity
Integrity means: Honesty, soundness, etc.• God's Word IS a matter of god's integrity. Either God is to be believed, or it matters little what else is debated of Him.
This issue of the soundness of God's Word; of the presence of God's Words yet today existing preserved is an issue of god's integrity, of whether God is to be believed.
If God has no integrity, then all He stands for is not.
The Author of our Bible said He would preserve His Word forever, AND TO every generation!
If He did not, Cannot, He is the liar; His integrity is faulty, NOT the Bible corrupters.
If His Word has not been "Perfectly" preserved, free of error, He is no more than man and has done no more than man alone could do.
I say again, the issue is Divine Integrity!
The Bible says that God warned Adam about eating the forbidden fruit:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die (Genesis 2:17).
Eve also understood this warning as she repeated it to Satan.
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die (Genesis 3:3).
Did they actually die when they ate the forbidden fruit? The Bible says that they did not physically die the moment they ate the fruit but lived on many years afterward. Is this a contradiction? The answer is, No. There are several ways in which to understand the sense in which Adam and Eve died.
Three Types Of Death
The Bible lists three types of death. There is physical death when the body dies. A second type of death is spiritual death - a separation of the spirit from the body. A third type of death is eternal death - permanent separation of humanity from God.
Death Was Spiritual
Adam and Eve did die when they ate the forbidden fruit, but their death was spiritual, not physical. The main idea behind death is separation. The death that Adam and Eve experienced when they ate the forbidden fruit was immediate separation from God.
We will be eternally separated from God (spiritual death).
Isaiah 59:1 (NLT) Listen! The LORD is not too weak to save you,
and he is not becoming deaf. He can hear you when you call.
Isaiah 59:2 (NLT) But there is a problem--your sins have cut you
off from God. Because of your sin, he has turned away and will not
listen anymore.
It is Gods words spoken to Adam. and Adam Tested Gods integrity , and Adam lost out, Adam died an instant spiritual death and lost his friendship with God, and it was permanently.
There is no record of God telling Adam and eve that if they disobeyed God, that God would forgive them.
In Isaiah 59:2 God spoke through the prophet Isiah telling Isiah:
Isaiah 59:2 (NLT) But there is a problem--your sins have cut you
off from God. Because of your sin, he has turned away and will not
listen anymore.

Is God a liar Alex?

How did God solve this problem with out loosing Gods integrity Alex?
God is not a liar, Shamma. The Church and the men, who founded Christianity, ARE the Liars.

You have already butchered God and still talk about God's integrity?

"“Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground.

Does the clay say to the potter,‘What are you making?’

Does your work say,‘The potter has no hands’?"

Have you ever read this before?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#183433 Jul 23, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Good questions to give to a Christian.
I also wondered why your god needs a partner to have a son? Isn't he self-sufficient and almighty?
God has a Son and Holy Spirit because it is His will to have them.

God is the author of Wisdom, and in Gods Wisdom His Son and Holy Spirit existed within Gods wisdom, and by bringing Jesus and the Holy Spirit forth by His Will into exist, completed Gods knowledge of all things including omnipresence the state of being everywhere at once.
And Having total knowledge; knowing everything: an omniscient, omnipresence, omnipotent, deity; Having unlimited or universal power, authority, and force; all-powerful.

A non-trinitarian God is limited and is not omnipresence and is fixed in one position setting on a Thrown out side of time and space.
And is not omniscient cannot know all things, and needs messengers to inform Him of things happening in the world He created,

It by the wisdom of God that God is a Trinity
Matthew 3:17
New International Version (©2011)
And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

God is self sufficient in wisdom and knowledge of all things before the world was created.

And it is out of Gods love for us before we were created that God planned our relationship with God through His Son Jesus.

As the Bible says all things were per-ordained by God before the world was created.

It is by rational reasoning that we know that if God was not love before He created the world, God then would not be sufficient in all things.
And we know God is sufficient in all things.

Why did God make us? To answer that, we need to know three things:
First, it wasn't because he needed us:

"The God who made the world and everything in it … is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything" (Acts 17:24-25).

And he didn't make us because he was lonely. Long before we were here, God already had "company" with his Son and the Holy Spirit, referred to in Genesis 1:26, "Let us make man in our own image."

And he didn't make us because he needed his ego fed. It's not like God made us to satisfy some craving to be worshiped. God is totally secure in who he is—without us.

Second, despite not needing us, God chose to create us anyway, out of his great love: "I have loved you with an everlasting love" (Jeremiah 31:3). Yes, God loved us before he even created us. It's impossible to get our heads around that idea, but it's true; that's what "everlasting" love means.

God is love (1 John 4:8), and because of that love and his wonderful creativity, he made us so we can enjoy all that he is and all that he's done.

Third, God created us to fulfill his eternal plan.
God, in his infinite wisdom, chose to make us a part of his eternal plan.

What part do we play in this plan? Well, the Bible is full of instructions for how we should live our lives. But here are a few key verses to remember:
1. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength" (Deuteronomy 6:5).
2. "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39).
3. "We are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do" (Ephesians 2:10).

We're also part of the war between God and Satan, and God's ultimate plan to defeat Satan. By putting our faith in God, we can defeat Satan and his lies (see Ephesians 6:10-18).

Finally, perhaps the most important part we play in God's eternal plan is to point people to eternal life with God—through his Son Jesus Christ.
The Bible calls this our "ministry of reconciliation" (2 Corinthians 5:18-19).

That's why we're here. But it's also important to note that we have a choice in all of this. When God created us, he didn't make us pawns in some cosmic chess game. We're not his toy soldiers. God gives us freedom of choice.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#183434 Jul 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
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God is not a liar, Shamma. The Church and the men, who founded Christianity, ARE the Liars.
You have already butchered God and still talk about God's integrity?
"“Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,‘What are you making?’
Does your work say,‘The potter has no hands’?"
Have you ever read this before?
You are insane!
You have no sense of reality of what I have enlightened you through my posting.
You express God to me as God being Muhammad chopping off some infidels head.
Its shameful that the only God Muslims know is their evil master Muhammad.

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