Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 243201 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182835 Jul 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
<SNIP>
I didn't see where you posted your source for Isaiah 9:6 in your first sentence, so I did not read the rest of your post. You know the post you made, so just post your source and we can see if it matches up with what you posted.
My poor <circumcised> MPD slave. Don't be in denial.
You MUST first respond to my original questions before we can move on to Isaiah which is a more recent issue.
So lets try again...
I need a few things from you before we can work on Isaiah because you have failed to answer these questions posed long before your Isaiah episode:

A. Answer my 17 questions about Jesus...
We need you to show Jesus making claims in the first person as follows, in Synoptic Gospels starting with MARK:
1. "I am God in 'the' flesh"
2. "I am God!"
3. "I am THE only begotten son of God"
4. "I am God in person"
5. "I am God Incarnate"
6. "I am THE Father and Father and I are one and the same person" 7. "I am made of sin"
8. "God is a trinity and I am part of that trinity or triune"
9. "I am your God who came to earth in human form as my own son to die on a Roman cross for the sins of Gentiles or the world or the entire humanity/"
10. "Through belief in my unconditional/loving/willing sacrifice as your God in human form as my own son, you can have eternal life"
11. "Therefore, Worship me and the cross"
12. "Father, ghost and I are co equal, co eternal and consubstantial gods forming a godhead"
13.“I, Jesus, existed before God as Word and I, Jesus, became God” 14.“Hey Philip! I am THE Father"
15. "Worship and kiss the cross and get your pope to kiss it, carry it with him and raise it like Moses' serpent"
16.“My mission is not to bring a book, but to die for sins of GENTILES and JEWS”
17. "I am your saviour (dear gentiles)

If you can't show proof from the Synoptic Gospels starting with Mark, then you best admit it.

B. Comment on post BJ world..........
Is there true universal consensus about one God?
(Do you wish me to quote the chapter and verse? Jeremiahxx, Isaiahxx, Zechariahxx, Zephaniahxx)

Did BJ bring world peace or any peace?(Micah xx, Isaiahxx)

Were all nukes got rid of?(Ezekiel xx)

Have all kinds of war ended?(Isaiah xx)

C. Answer these...

Do you worship a buttnaked pagan on a cross (phallic symbol) believing him to be your "god" who came as a Jewish man ? Yes

Did the man tell his Jewish people to worship him? No.

Was the man even concerned with Gentiles during his life time? No.

Do YOU have any DIRECT instruction from that man to worship him? No.

Therefore, in my view you are an idol worshipper.

D. Set out precisely the words that you are looking for from Isaiah 9.xx as attributed to me.

E. I will then give you the Isaiah treatment.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182836 Jul 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
My poor <circumcised> MPD slave. Don't be in denial.
<SNIP>
Still don't see it.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182837 Jul 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesn't lie at all. At most, he might be occasionally mistaken about some things. There's a difference. If anybody lies, or at least plays evasive little games, it's you.

You have been even willing to change the words in Quran verses if you think it will suit your argument.

He doesn't do anything like that. He's just a loud mouthed goon, that's all, but I'll take a goon over an evasive manipulator any day of the week.
No, I dare not change the words in Qur'aan.

I improve a translation by using different words in English. And I do the same with the NT.

For example, I write "The Father and I are one" as "The Father and I are on the same side". The intent and the meaning does not change.

So, one cannot accuse me of changing the words in the Bible, because Jesus never said, "The Father and I are the one and the same person".

I like to help people understand better.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182838 Jul 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I dare not change the words in Qur'aan.
I improve a translation by using different words in English. And I do the same with the NT.
For example, I write "The Father and I are one" as "The Father and I are on the same side". The intent and the meaning does not change.
So, one cannot accuse me of changing the words in the Bible, because Jesus never said, "The Father and I are the one and the same person".
I like to help people understand better.
You changed "how can he" or "how could he" to "why should he" in 6:101, and the two have very different meanings, and you did that to solve the problem of the verse suggesting that there are some things that Allah cannot do, where you tried to change the meaning to be that there are some things that Allah wouldn't or shouldn't bother to do. It's all in writing. Don't count on me not being able to find it if I have to.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182839 Jul 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
<SNIP>
Still don't see it.
My <EUNUCH/SNIPPED> slave is a coward and Shamma has got it spot on.
Sick seeker is using Isaiah 9.xx to avoid answering pertinent questions on the divinity of BJ. Answers to these questions are long over due from my Evyonim slave seeker who knows not the difference between poor and gifts....
YOU WILL GET ISAIAH TILL YOU BEG FOR MERCY!!
BUT FOR NOW...You MUST first respond to my original questions before we can move on to Isaiah which is a more recent issue.
So lets try again...
I need a few things from you before we can work on Isaiah because you have failed to answer these questions posed long before your Isaiah episode:

A. Answer my 17 questions about Jesus...
We need you to show Jesus making claims in the first person as follows, in Synoptic Gospels starting with MARK:
1. "I am God in 'the' flesh"
2. "I am God!"
3. "I am THE only begotten son of God"
4. "I am God in person"
5. "I am God Incarnate"
6. "I am THE Father and Father and I are one and the same person" 7. "I am made of sin"
8. "God is a trinity and I am part of that trinity or triune"
9. "I am your God who came to earth in human form as my own son to die on a Roman cross for the sins of Gentiles or the world or the entire humanity/"
10. "Through belief in my unconditional/loving/willing sacrifice as your God in human form as my own son, you can have eternal life"
11. "Therefore, Worship me and the cross"
12. "Father, ghost and I are co equal, co eternal and consubstantial gods forming a godhead"
13.“I, Jesus, existed before God as Word and I, Jesus, became God” 14.“Hey Philip! I am THE Father"
15. "Worship and kiss the cross and get your pope to kiss it, carry it with him and raise it like Moses' serpent"
16.“My mission is not to bring a book, but to die for sins of GENTILES and JEWS”
17. "I am your saviour (dear gentiles)

If you can't show proof from the Synoptic Gospels starting with Mark, then you best admit it.

B. Comment on post BJ world..........
Is there true universal consensus about one God?
(Do you wish me to quote the chapter and verse? Jeremiahxx, Isaiahxx, Zechariahxx, Zephaniahxx)

Did BJ bring world peace or any peace?(Micah xx, Isaiahxx)

Were all nukes got rid of?(Ezekiel xx)

Have all kinds of war ended?(Isaiah xx)

C. Answer these...

Do you worship a buttnaked pagan on a cross (phallic symbol) believing him to be your "god" who came as a Jewish man ? Yes

Did the man tell his Jewish people to worship him? No.

Was the man even concerned with Gentiles during his life time? No.

Do YOU have any DIRECT instruction from that man to worship him? No.

Therefore, in my view you are an idol worshipper.

D. Set out precisely the words that you are looking for from Isaiah 9.xx as attributed to me.

E. I will then give you the Isaiah treatment.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182840 Jul 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I dare not change the words in Qur'aan.
I improve a translation by using different words in English. And I do the same with the NT.
For example, I write "The Father and I are one" as "The Father and I are on the same side". The intent and the meaning does not change.
So, one cannot accuse me of changing the words in the Bible, because Jesus never said, "The Father and I are the one and the same person".
I like to help people understand better.
Don't forget his broken English - "I and my father"!
Also he NEVER said..."My father, ghost and I are one and the same person...or co-equal bits of a 'whole' godhead"!
Jesus killed off trinity long before it started.
Salaams.
Alex
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182841 Jul 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
You changed "how can he" or "how could he" to "why should he" in 6:101, and the two have very different meanings, and you did that to solve the problem of the verse suggesting that there are some things that Allah cannot do, where you tried to change the meaning to be that there are some things that Allah wouldn't or shouldn't bother to do. It's all in writing. Don't count on me not being able to find it if I have to.
Is BJ your God or as Shamma says, ar eyou BJ's god?
If you can't produce any proof from the synoptic gospels, you must move on, my slave. I shall consider granting you temporary pardon/parole!

We need you to show Jesus making claims in the first person as follows, in Synoptic Gospels starting with MARK:
1. "I am God in 'the' flesh"
2. "I am God!"
3. "I am THE only begotten son of God"
4. "I am God in person"
5. "I am God Incarnate"
6. "I am THE Father and Father and I are one and the same person" 7. "I am made of sin"
8. "God is a trinity and I am part of that trinity or triune"
9. "I am your God who came to earth in human form as my own son to die on a Roman cross for the sins of Gentiles or the world or the entire humanity/"
10. "Through belief in my unconditional/loving/willing sacrifice as your God in human form as my own son, you can have eternal life"
11. "Therefore, Worship me and the cross"
12. "Father, ghost and I are co equal, co eternal and consubstantial gods forming a godhead"
13.“I, Jesus, existed before God as Word and I, Jesus, became God” 14.“Hey Philip! I am THE Father"
15. "Worship and kiss the cross and get your pope to kiss it, carry it with him and raise it like Moses' serpent"
16.“My mission is not to bring a book, but to die for sins of GENTILES and JEWS”
17. "I am your saviour (dear gentiles)

If you can't show proof from the Synoptic Gospels starting with Mark, then you best admit it.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182842 Jul 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
You changed "how can he" or "how could he" to "why should he" in 6:101, and the two have very different meanings, and you did that to solve the problem of the verse suggesting that there are some things that Allah cannot do, where you tried to change the meaning to be that there are some things that Allah wouldn't or shouldn't bother to do. It's all in writing. Don't count on me not being able to find it if I have to.
You are a clueless moron, my slave.
Your recommendation comes from your fellow "Christian" Shamma.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker the Slave of Alex!
Did you follow my post?
Your nose is bigger than pinnochios, and he was a hand made wooden character
Show me where I said the things you are accusing me of in my post?
..You are twisting rational reason...
You owe me an apology Seeker!
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Well Seeker you are admitting you are a dumb ass that cannot accept the truth.
What do you believe Seeker?
Do you believe Muslim always tell the absolute truth When they respond to your post?
Or is it you that lies to Muslims?
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Seeker did not fo;;ow the conversation.
Seeker has his own brand of Christianity that differs from the main stream of the founding Fathers and the teaching of Jesus Christ.
Seeker is progressive liberal that believes in political correctness that is bringing down America.
He believes murders should not be called murders as that is offensive to their character of being called murderer's that they are.
Seeker sets himself as a God in giving council to God on matter like hell that is offense to Seeker.
Seeker automatically has people repenting their sins without them repenting them.
So its wrong in his mind to say a murder is going to hell.
He was educated in Catholic schools but failed to embrace the teaching on hell.
As far as anyone may know Seeker may be gay, and may feel offended by the idea of gays going to hell.
So Seeker creates God in the image of Seeker.
Poor gay sick seeker?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182843 Jul 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
You changed "how can he" or "how could he" to "why should he" in 6:101, and the two have very different meanings, and you did that to solve the problem of the verse suggesting that there are some things that Allah cannot do, where you tried to change the meaning to be that there are some things that Allah wouldn't or shouldn't bother to do. It's all in writing. Don't count on me not being able to find it if I have to.
6:101 can be translated using 'can' or 'could' or 'would' or 'should' or in other words. The verse gives the reason of God having no son.

It can also be understood this way: Since God does not have a wife, therefore God does not have a son.

However, since you like the translation: "How can He save a son while He has no consort?", the reason given remains the same.

Yes, there are somethings, which God cannot do. For example God cannot come as a monkey or a donkey or a dog or a man.

Christianity teaches that God can become any of those, if God wants to, only to justify the false belief that Jesus was the son of God. That is her belief, not ours.

For example, God had not really turned himself into a pillar of fire or into a burning bush.

God, the Most High will never become God, the Most Low. See, I did not use CANNOT!.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#182844 Jul 15, 2013
Does the extra-cosmic and anthropopathic God who creates from nothing exist? LOL.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182845 Jul 15, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Does the extra-cosmic and anthropopathic God who creates from nothing exist? LOL.
Be honest Joel.
Do you sometimes crave for God's love, guidance, protection and Mercy?
There is no right answer.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182846 Jul 15, 2013
For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder,
.......and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father,.... called his name, "the prince of peace."

Not a SINGLE person during the time of Jesus called him..wondrous adviser..mighty god....everlsting father....or even prince of peace.

Sure, they called BJ a nutcase, possessed etc...but nothing very flattering.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182847 Jul 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't forget his broken English - "I and my father"!
Also he NEVER said..."My father, ghost and I are one and the same person...or co-equal bits of a 'whole' godhead"!
Jesus killed off trinity long before it started.
Salaams.
Alex
Salaams, bro

If one reads all the gospels, one would not find Jesus talking about the alleged Holy Ghost at all. He is found talking only about God and used the term Father.

If God were a Trinity, he would would have always mentioned 'My Father and my Holy Ghost OR My Father and my Father's Ghost'. However, we do not see that anywhere.

Trinity was created by pagan converst and philosophers, long, long after Jesus was gone. Jesus, his disciples and followers, even Paul and Timothy died without even hearing a word about Trinity.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182848 Jul 15, 2013
Correction, Alex

The last para should read:

Trinity was created by pagan converts and philosophers, long, long after Jesus was gone. Jesus, his disciples and followers, even Paul and Timothy died without even hearing a word about Trinity.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182849 Jul 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
Correction, Alex
The last para should read:
Trinity was created by pagan converts and philosophers, long, long after Jesus was gone. Jesus, his disciples and followers, even Paul and Timothy died without even hearing a word about Trinity.
Salaams, brother.
Indeed...Jesus NEVER promoted this "gruesome threesome".
How dare they ignore him, gaffer tape him and carry on with their trinity delusion?
Paul was playing to some superstitious audience who believed when people died, their ghosts would return to haunt "the living".
Paul's ghost was never meant to be the "holy ghost".
Salaams

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#182850 Jul 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>

Be honest Joel.

Do you sometimes crave for God's love, guidance, protection and Mercy?

There is no right answer.
I know through logic and yogic experience that all power is innate in the individualized unified consciousness-energy field taken as a totality in all its planes and parts.

So, if I crave anything like release from psychological or emotional or physical distress, I simply aspire for that particular thing and after some time if the need is genuine and the aspiration sincere and deep enough and the being open and receptive to the higher force, the deeper degrees of the innate consciousness-energy sends the required helped and I tide over the difficulty of the time but of course to receive help in this way one has to have an awakened consciousness and should know something, via direct experiences, about the various planes and parts of being. At least some constant and direct contact should be made with the higher reaches of one's self then the help and power and insight descend into the frontal being to help, guide and/or console. However, one has to be constantly on guard since the asuric forces at times mimic the forces of harmony and may seek to invade the being and create more problems. So, the consciousness has to be awakened and potent enough to detect and ward off these negative intrusions. everything depends on the turn of the individual nature with its innate capacities.

Those living in the ordinary consciousness seek feeble external props like seeking out a friend, a fictional extra-cosmic god, an ordinary scriptural being posing as God, a lover, a psychologist, a priest or by turning to rituals and the like.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#182851 Jul 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
For example God cannot come as a monkey or a donkey or a dog or a man.
Assuming you are talking about an anthropopatic god, then your god cannot BE a monkey or donkey or dog or man, but he CAN come as each of them.

Unless you are suggesting that your almighty god isn't that almighty after all.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182852 Jul 15, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Assuming you are talking about an anthropopatic god, then your god cannot BE a monkey or donkey or dog or man, but he CAN come as each of them.
Unless you are suggesting that your almighty god isn't that almighty after all.
weird atheist indeed!
closet catholic.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#182853 Jul 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Apology? Yes you actually ARE like Alex. Unbelievable. Look, as far as I am concerned, you are nothing but an ignorant big mouth who does nothing but copy and pastes huge, long articles that monopolize entire pages, and then when it's time for you to actually write something yourself, you do nothing but insult and threaten, and you just repeat the same things over and over and over and over again. And you indeed, have a core hatred going on that you need to deal with. You are far more than just critical, you have a core anger and hatred, and as far as I'm concerned, you are an embarrassment for Christians and match every negative stereotype that some people have for them. And you have the nerve to think YOU are actually the one following Jesus' teachings? Takes a lot of nerve or even ignorance.
You are the one that is an embarrassment to Christianity.
You falsely accept the Muslim god Allah as the God of Israel.
That in itself is an insult to all Christians.
And by your accepting the Muslim God as the God of Israel you have become a slave of the Muslims.

You call my rejecting the Muslims god Allah arrogant, and hateful.
Rebuking evil deeds of murder is an Commandment from God you dumb slave of the Muslims.
Murdering innocent people using Gods name in vain does send people to hell according to Gods Commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain (KJV, also "You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God" (NRSV) and variants)
is one of the Ten Commandments. It is a prohibition of blasphemy, specifically, the misuse or "taking in vain" of the name of the God of Israel. Exodus 20:7 reads:Exodus

You don't understand what Sura 9:29 is saying:
Sahih International

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture -[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

The point you miss is that "And His Messenger [Muhammad]
have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the scripture".

Here Muhammad is falsely claiming he has the authority from God to murder those that do not accept the religion of Muhammad, and the man made laws instituted by Muhammad as Gods laws.
That is falsely using Gods name in vain.

So, it is you Seeker that refuses to accept Gods Commandment "Thou shall not take the name of thy Lord your God in vain".

There is a hell Seeker, and those that murder using the name of thy Lord God in vain is blasphemy, and the punishment for that sin is hell.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182854 Jul 15, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Assuming you are talking about an anthropopatic god, then your god cannot BE a monkey or donkey or dog or man, but he CAN come as each of them.

Unless you are suggesting that your almighty god isn't that almighty after all.
Don't assume. 

Anthropopathy has nothing to do with God becoming an insect or an animal or a man.

You don't understand. I made it so simple, when I wrote: God, the Most High cannot become the Most Low or the Lowest of the low. "I, the LORD, do not change" is the LORD's slogan!

Good night

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